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On November 01 2011 08:15 gleepy wrote:won't be long until you see this outside of a tournament : ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/N33GK.jpg)
Lmao so funny but at the same time so sad.
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Havent got paid from Birdie starcraft 1on1 tournament that was played in June
- 1 100 euro
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On November 01 2011 08:14 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 08:13 mYNDIG wrote:On November 01 2011 08:11 Dodgin wrote:On November 01 2011 08:09 D.Devil wrote:On November 01 2011 07:21 ReachTheSky wrote:On November 01 2011 07:20 Zuxo wrote:
Hahahaahahahahah I love how d.Devil suddenly stopped posting in this thread after Naniwas second comment. lol yeah he really knows how to represent ;P someone hire a pr guy for him ;P I don't see any reason to continue discussing this matter publicly, especially because I simply don't know some details after all these years. Would make me look stupid if I was wrong (or actually it's just enough to claim I'm wrong). Just one last thing: I have nothing to be ashamed of in regards to how NaNiwa was treated in hoorai. I always tried my very best to keep him happy and he got everything he needed (even though, in the 3 years I managed hoorai, there wasn't one single player who was more exhausting to take care of than him). Apparently, I failed and he now hates my guts. Fine, then that's the way it is. Nonetheless, I believe hoorai was quite different from the actually scammy organizations – and there were tons of those ones. I didn't even have access to the bank account, but I know for sure that he did get his normal monthly salary. Anyway, not going to continue justifying myself... that was a long time ago and certainly there were quite some things that went wrong (if they hadn't, hoorai probably would still exist today). Think of me what you want. sure took you a while to respond to that. Maybe he had some other stuff to do? Like work, dinner, family, friends... unlikely considering how fast he was to respond to nani the first time and make himself look like a tool.
Have you considered that he maybe had to leave after he posted his last comment? In the end he commented, and as he said. Some things are better to talked about in private, not among 1000 angry nerds...
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ESCW is getting a lot of flak, but the new owners run a good live event and the prizes were paid last year (and this years event ended like ten days ago). People asking for them to pay the debts of the old owners are just retarded. When a company fills for bankruptcy, the entity gets dissolved and the assets are liquidated (and distributed to creditors). The ESCW label is just a brand name, and is an asset just like physical buildings. They just bought a label, nothing more, nothing else.
Frankly, the only piece of fresh news i got from this thread is that even a second class european player (88th ELO) can make a respectable amount of money in SC2.
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On November 01 2011 07:37 aike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 07:32 csn_JohnClark wrote:On November 01 2011 05:16 GiftPflanZe wrote:
This is just fucking sad.I lost respect for alot of tournaments now : / This is why this thread, although important, has gotten out of hand. Always talking about the things that do not work or things that have been bad (mostly in the past).. will only hurt the growth of esports. Instead of all of this stupid #Killingesports crap.. we need to focus on #buildingeSports!! Find ways to make situations like this more visible..but also honest and fair. The idea to add a 'rating system' to the tournament tracker is probably the best idea in this thread and one that can really make a difference because its (for the most part) a fair assessment of an event and in the end.. the community will decide which events stay and which events (organizers) die. All of the 'talk' and trash without proper understanding is only making this issue worse then it needs to be. I haven't lost any respect for tournaments because I already knew this is how things happened... but I have certainly lost a lot of respect for your organization. The way you represent CSN is just sad. you come in here and talk down to players and fans and say that we should forgive tournaments all of their idiotic business practices just because they do at some undisclosed point in the future pay out. Get the money first, and then pay out the prize. or at least specify in the rules "We will pay out within X amount of days" and MEET THAT DEADLINE. it's simple. it's not hard for an organization to do this! Instead of spending future money, they need to collect the money and then spend it. Not hard AT ALL.
Oddly enough.. CSN has never had a real issue paying out. There has been a very few amount of times that we were not able to pay immediately (within 24 hours)..but we have always paid out and if it came down to a 30 day or more wait.. (if not stated in the rules/info about the tournament and prizing).. i would pay from my own pocket to make it right. I hate non-payment more then you know. I am still owed over 16K from GGL.. but I am keeping a level head here..
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On November 01 2011 08:12 kellymilkies wrote:
I wrote this on my twitter but I am not sure if someone has already covered this.
Basically, I mentioned that some form of Players Association is needed.
For tournaments, there should be a very strict deadline on when the money should be sent out, and I think 90 days is a good guideline.
However, I do understand that most of the time, the problem is that the sponsors take really long to pay the events. In this sense though, what events should do is not jump when they are being offered money to run events. Some sort of Escrow account has to be set up between Sponsors and Event Organizers.
This P.A does not only include teams that are involved in SC2 but a general P.A for most competitive video games in general.
Concerns listed to me were who does this Players Association comprises of?
Firstly, team owners. Because they understand the industry a lot better than everyone else because they have to work with the 3 biggest factor that makes video games what it is today -
1)Organisers/Events, other team owners, Sponsors.
2)Players / Talents / Individuals who compete
3)The community.
However, due to the fact that it is a PLAYERS Association, it is common knowledge that not only do players have issues with Organizations or events, they also have problems with their teams be it leaving, contracts, joining, conflicts etc, here is where I specifically mentioned that various other individuals should be on the board as well.
Ideally speaking, this is just a general structure from me, but the ratio should be 40:40:20.
40% of the board should be Team Owners, 40% should be key individuals in the industry, and MAYBE 20% be individuals RELATED to the industry, that are professionals in other industries related to the Video Games industry.
Not sure if this sounds right but that is what my opinion has been on this for a very long time.
Sounds like a great idea that 10 other people in the thread have said already. We'd need professionals to run it though.
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On November 01 2011 08:09 D.Devil wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 07:21 ReachTheSky wrote:On November 01 2011 07:20 Zuxo wrote:
Hahahaahahahahah I love how d.Devil suddenly stopped posting in this thread after Naniwas second comment. lol yeah he really knows how to represent ;P someone hire a pr guy for him ;P I don't see any reason to continue discussing this matter publicly, especially because I simply don't know some details after all these years. Would make me look stupid if I was wrong (or actually it's just enough to claim I'm wrong). Just one last thing: I have nothing to be ashamed of in regards to how NaNiwa was treated in hoorai. I always tried my very best to keep him happy and he got everything he needed (even though, in the 3 years I managed hoorai, there wasn't one single player who was more exhausting to take care of than him). Apparently, I failed and he now hates my guts. Fine, then that's the way it is. Nonetheless, I believe hoorai was quite different from the actually scammy organizations – and there were tons of those ones. I didn't even have access to the bank account, but I know for sure that he did get his normal monthly salary. Anyway, not going to continue justifying myself... that was a long time ago and certainly there were quite some things that went wrong (if they hadn't, hoorai probably would still exist today). Think of me what you want.
Lol if you don't see a point in responding then don't lol
YOUR(yes YOUR team you were partial owner) team cheated NaNiWa out of 600 euros and you try to brush it like some dirt off your shoulder. The fact that you don't feel ashamed makes me/everyone reading this think your nothing but scum. You shouldn't even be allowed to post here. I don't care what the details were. Yeah, u better not continue to try and justify your actions because it makes you look pathetic. Seriously, like Naniwa said, PAY UP OR GTFO.
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On November 01 2011 08:14 tuoli9 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 07:29 aTnClouD wrote:On November 01 2011 07:27 Enhancer_ wrote:On November 01 2011 07:01 quakerix wrote:On November 01 2011 06:04 AndersR. wrote:
Kinda feel like ESWC has been bashed a bit too much in this thread, the owners now are not the ones who were known for not paying out the money, that where the previous owners who went bankruptcy with the brand. I'm pretty sure that the current owners have done a fine job paying out, at least as far as i remember that was what Na'Vi.cs said last year after they won it. Thank you. I'm extremely surprised that aTnCloud already posted about ESWC not paying out just a few days after the event. We didn't even finish up logistically and this event is already listed in this topic. Ok, i can imagine that because of the previous company going bankrupt the brand had some damage. But posting this before even contacting us is a bit harsh towards the new owners. Last year they paid out just a few weeks after the event and now we didn't even had the chance. You could have contacted us in 100 ways, your management has direct contacts with us, you could have replied to your invite email you could have even gone to our website and look up contact information. Anyway; i messaged you privately and i also already replied to you in the ESWC topic a few days earlier. Give us a break and we'll contact you as soon as possible. On November 01 2011 01:48 Jcnorheim wrote:
I am sorry that this happens.
Many community figures talk about how events compete with one another for viewers, and I think that this is definitely one of the factors that concerns at least some viewers.
On the other side of the coin though, ESWC probably didn't get nearly enough viewers due to having to compete with Blizzcon. So they already lost the competition for viewers. Maybe ESWC will use that as an excuse to disappear again. We had 100k simultaneous viewers as peak during our weekend and there were about 1500 people watching games at the stage. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tu7Fa.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/E1UWs.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0YlVL.jpg) Don't worry about the fact that ESWC wasn't a success. It was. Something is still wrong with the idea that you expect players to have to contact you to get an update on the money owed to them. If you owe someone money, the responsibility is on you to pay it it. Or at least that's how I think it should be. I think the same, but he thought it was wise to PM me saying I put ESWC in bad light for no reason and I might not get invited next year because of it. lol. What!? Did he seriously PM that to you? Wooow... I´m astonished by the stupidity and arrogance quakerix and thereby whole ESWC organisation shows. If we won´t see you competing in the next ESWC we know what happened. Disgusting... Thank you Cloud for making this thread you are a fuckin hero!
What the fuck is srsly wrong with you guys ? ESWC was last week ! And the organization as it is now has always paid players within a few weeks. Still, Cloud decides to shit on them for no reason in this thread, explain me why the fuck would they invite him next time, seriously...
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The only tourny that I have played in was Playhem and they pretty much pay right after the tourny is over.
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On November 01 2011 08:10 DarKFoRcE wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 07:11 FlyingDJ wrote:
Well, this thread pretty much shows how most have not been around for a long time.
It's clear that most StarCraft 2 players have not been exposed the the delays in paying out prize money because they were rarely part of major esports tournaments before the release of that game. Ask someone who's been playing before 2009. That was when ESL was held in high regard because they paid out, even if it took a long time. Not a thing you could take for granted.
Now with money being thrown at SC2 like there's no tomorrow, everyone here is suddenly going crazy about how delays cannot be and how apparently players starve when they're not being paid on time. A couple of years ago you would have ended up with no tournaments at all had you decided to boycott those who had delayed payout in prizes. That's what this has always been like. Does it need to change? Probably, but it's not going to happen over night. ESL is one of the only tournaments that made it through the recession that followed 2008, and they don't get the amounts of venture capital that MLG carries around these days.
Instead of posting about it on a forum, the players might consider actually forming some kind of organisation to help in those matters. Doesn't seem too much work to me. And even if not, they could just boycott the tournaments they think do not pay out prize money on time. What's that, there are almost none left then? Oh well...
It's such a hypocrisy that everyone is always applauding insane prize pools and players tend to follow the sums instead of the reputation yet at the same time, any delay is totally unacceptable. Do you honestly believe most of the current tournaments have a sustainable business model that returns their investment? To me it seems like alot of work to form some kind of organization, a workload no player is going to be willing to do. Not sure why you think its that easy?
I don't mean to disrespect top players, after all you're the reason why people follow the game. However, my experience is that players are often looking for the easiest way out and they tend to say much and do very little about it. Also, I believe a players' organisation would be difficult to put in place because everyone is looking out for themselves more than they are willing to admit. It's not hard: Form a group of players, threaten to not attend any tournament you think violates rules of conduct regarding prize money, take combined action. If noone is willing to put in at least a little bit of work, I will just have to assume that the issue is not as big as it is made out to be.
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It sucks to have to hear about something like this happening but I'm so glad that someone is finally bringing this up so everyone can become aware of the situation. I hope tournaments get better about this in the future!
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On November 01 2011 08:18 SolidMustard wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 08:14 tuoli9 wrote:On November 01 2011 07:29 aTnClouD wrote:On November 01 2011 07:27 Enhancer_ wrote:On November 01 2011 07:01 quakerix wrote:On November 01 2011 06:04 AndersR. wrote:
Kinda feel like ESWC has been bashed a bit too much in this thread, the owners now are not the ones who were known for not paying out the money, that where the previous owners who went bankruptcy with the brand. I'm pretty sure that the current owners have done a fine job paying out, at least as far as i remember that was what Na'Vi.cs said last year after they won it. Thank you. I'm extremely surprised that aTnCloud already posted about ESWC not paying out just a few days after the event. We didn't even finish up logistically and this event is already listed in this topic. Ok, i can imagine that because of the previous company going bankrupt the brand had some damage. But posting this before even contacting us is a bit harsh towards the new owners. Last year they paid out just a few weeks after the event and now we didn't even had the chance. You could have contacted us in 100 ways, your management has direct contacts with us, you could have replied to your invite email you could have even gone to our website and look up contact information. Anyway; i messaged you privately and i also already replied to you in the ESWC topic a few days earlier. Give us a break and we'll contact you as soon as possible. On November 01 2011 01:48 Jcnorheim wrote:
I am sorry that this happens.
Many community figures talk about how events compete with one another for viewers, and I think that this is definitely one of the factors that concerns at least some viewers.
On the other side of the coin though, ESWC probably didn't get nearly enough viewers due to having to compete with Blizzcon. So they already lost the competition for viewers. Maybe ESWC will use that as an excuse to disappear again. We had 100k simultaneous viewers as peak during our weekend and there were about 1500 people watching games at the stage. Don't worry about the fact that ESWC wasn't a success. It was. Something is still wrong with the idea that you expect players to have to contact you to get an update on the money owed to them. If you owe someone money, the responsibility is on you to pay it it. Or at least that's how I think it should be. I think the same, but he thought it was wise to PM me saying I put ESWC in bad light for no reason and I might not get invited next year because of it. lol. What!? Did he seriously PM that to you? Wooow... I´m astonished by the stupidity and arrogance quakerix and thereby whole ESWC organisation shows. If we won´t see you competing in the next ESWC we know what happened. Disgusting... Thank you Cloud for making this thread you are a fuckin hero! What the fuck is srsly wrong with you guys ? ESWC was last week ! And the organization as it is now has always paid players within a few weeks. Still, Cloud decides to shit on them for no reason in this thread, explain me why the fuck would they invite him next time, seriously...
CLoud already stated it was just on his list of prize money that hasn't been paid yet, not ness. the ones that are taking forever/past the aloted time.
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First, if tournament organizers advertise a prize pool, they need to pay it immediately. I am not questioning whether delaying or not paying is a bad act by the tournaments. Unquestionably, doing so is wrong.
That said, as a professional, you need to think of your career as a business (I say this as a business owner, not a pro SC2 player--I suck). Businesses are constantly struggling with money coming in (accounts receivable). Cloud, I applaud that you are harassing organizers for the money they owe you--more players need to stand up for their rights. Players might consider writing demand letters to tournament organizers--forms are available on the internet.
There are very few businesses in which the business owner doesn't have to chase down money. Until you are successful enough to hire a manager, or join a team with a person who does this full time, you need to devote some energy to chasing down money.
If every progamer made a thread like this whenever they got boned, and also made themselves annoying to the tournaments that didn't pay, I believe we would see some results.
E-Sports has several factors that make it ripe for taking advantage of talent: it is international (meaning out of jurisdiction players may not know whether they have recourse in a certain country), it is populated by mostly young people inexperienced in business and, finally, no one is presently holding anyone accountable.
I do not believe an overarching governing body is the answer--I think a player's union could be helpful--but until one of those systems is put into place, players need to get over any fear of conflict and actively pursue the money they are owed. "The squeaky wheel gets the grease."
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in cs 1.6 this became such a problem, an organization was formed to promote the players rights. http://www.g7teams.com at one point they actually did all agree to boycott tournaments that had back owed prize money. a few of these teams already have sc2 teams, so I wouldnt be surprised to see a similar situation if this continues.
ie - http://www.g7teams.com/page/news/46/
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I've been reading this thread since cloud posted it, and I've read every reply up to page 45. My post count may be low, but that's just because I lurk instead of posting in threads where my input isn't needed.
I feel like I need to say something though...
Honestly I'm worried about the controversy around this thread. It seems like a decent number of "good" tournaments are having their name dragged through the mud for no reason. I agree that a time frame of when payment will be made is good, but also there is something to be said about discretion.
I don't blame ESWC not wanting to invite cloud next year. They haven't done anything wrong, and unfortunately they were dragged into this. I hate to say it, but there is a lot more talent out there. I'm worried that cloud and darkforce might get "blacklisted" by organizers that see this thread.
I think that is a far more likely outcome from this thread then seeing any real change in the way big tournaments are paying the players...
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On November 01 2011 07:56 aike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 07:53 mYNDIG wrote:On November 01 2011 07:50 aike wrote:On November 01 2011 07:47 Nizzy wrote:On November 01 2011 06:36 svefnleysi wrote:On November 01 2011 06:24 Lolli92 wrote:
I think this should be a topic for a Day9 Daily or a F*** Slasher episode !! This should be called out on SotG, Inside the Game, Fuck Slasher, and basically every SC2 media outlet. The organizations responsible need to get the bad publicity they deserve.IGN: If you think it's not a big deal because it's "not even been 90 days" then that just makes you sound retarded.Not even paying the winner of IPL season 1 yet? Any and all respect I had for IPL was just flushed down the toilet. Your post is very ignorant and I will prove that with facts. Your post in my opinion is very stupid and IPL doesn't deserve those comments. First off if you had any idea of the scene in SC2 and all the events IPL is a top 3 if not the best overall. Number 1 in production. In a recent interview they lost a shit ton of money (6 figs range) and didn't think anything of it because it was simply for the fucking good of eSports. You're obviously going off of IdrA's situation, so lets talk about it. They probably have on their books right now that a check was written/issued out to him. He just never got it and they are looking into it as in tracing it as we speak. They might have already just issued another one as IGN.Joshy already touched upon this. Do you have any idea or understanding of how large organizations work? This isn't 1998. IGN isn't your little cheat website for nintendo 64 anymore. They're multi million dollar organization. They can't just throw money at something and not account for it. All the production value they put into these events takes time to set up, even the winning prize money. They seem to do things right, so maybe one of the things they will address is paying players on winning day. Like they also said, there isn't just some guy in a room with XXXXXX money ready to pay out. IPL comes from IGN. They must get things approved. As a pro gamer in this thread already stated 90 days for such a big prize pool is reasonable. Nobody cares if you don't decide to not turn on IPL again, however I guarantee you the large majority of the community loves IPL as they continually improve and host the best events. I don't see how the average SC2 fan can agree with your post. IPL 3 live event... all of their live crew, payment to the casino, and any other equipment/services they needed for the event got paid for BEFORE SERVICES WERE RENDERED guaranteed. So why can't players expect to be paid at the same fking time? It's not like they didn't know the amount of money they were giving out before hand... "$100,000 to first place!" ok so set aside $100k BEFORE the event. I think the major problem is that they don't know who will win etc. They know who should be paid for the other work, because that is settled already. The problem isn't the who though, their excuse keeps being "sponsors haven't paid us yet" blah blah blah.... that is such horse shit.
Ahh, but the tournament winnings come from sponsors. The labour is paid for by IGN.
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On November 01 2011 08:08 csn_JohnClark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 07:11 FlyingDJ wrote:
Well, this thread pretty much shows how most have not been around for a long time.
It's clear that most StarCraft 2 players have not been exposed the the delays in paying out prize money because they were rarely part of major esports tournaments before the release of that game. Ask someone who's been playing before 2009. That was when ESL was held in high regard because they paid out, even if it took a long time. Not a thing you could take for granted.
Now with money being thrown at SC2 like there's no tomorrow, everyone here is suddenly going crazy about how delays cannot be and how apparently players starve when they're not being paid on time. A couple of years ago you would have ended up with no tournaments at all had you decided to boycott those who had delayed payout in prizes. That's what this has always been like. Does it need to change? Probably, but it's not going to happen over night. ESL is one of the only tournaments that made it through the recession that followed 2008, and they don't get the amounts of venture capital that MLG carries around these days.
Instead of posting about it on a forum, the players might consider actually forming some kind of organisation to help in those matters. Doesn't seem too much work to me. And even if not, they could just boycott the tournaments they think do not pay out prize money on time. What's that, there are almost none left then? Oh well...
It's such a hypocrisy that everyone is always applauding insane prize pools and players tend to follow the sums instead of the reputation yet at the same time, any delay is totally unacceptable. Do you honestly believe most of the current tournaments have a sustainable business model that returns their investment? just now getting to this post.. but very well said!
How is it well said? Having a job where you get paid to play a game, and play in tournaments, then when you participate in these tournaments and actually do well, and not getting the prize money you deserve for a long time.. How is that even fair? You state your prize money, people play in it to win, you get publicity for all these insane players who participate in it, and when they get their prize money 5 months later, you feel it's justified and a job well done? Atleast have a disclaimer where you say "Payment of prize money will take up to XXX days to be processed and delivered" having the "XXX" as the amount of days you expect as a tournament organizer for the prize money to be delivered(not sent, delivered.)
I don't see how it's the players fault for expecting prize money that they earned to be paid so late, and sometimes to only pay them once the players themselves threaten the tournament organizers. If you can't pay the players in a timely fashion, don't run a tournament. Especially since all this outcry can be fixed with a prize money payout disclaimer, or just simple communication.
Tournaments on these shame lists that are saying they're not going to let certain players play in their tournament for naming & shaming is just ridiculous(i.e Cloud). If you were competent in running a tournament then you would be messaging players who have earned prize money that the delay could be xxx long, and any questions about payment should be asked by sending emails or calling xxx, that to me, if I was a player who earned some prize money would be acceptable, even if the delay was long I would be assured I was getting paid for performing well. I feel like I wouldn't need to make a post like this unless you:
Didn't pay in the time frame where you assured payment, and didn't contact me about any expected delays to the payment. And if there were an unexpected delay that you faced, I would still want to hear about it.
All this could be fixed with one simple thing:
COMMUNICATION
So tournament organizers, start communicating with players and teams to make them happy, in turn you wouldn't be put on the name & shame list, and then you wouldn't need to go through this discussed boycotting crap that people are talking about.
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On November 01 2011 08:21 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2011 08:18 SolidMustard wrote:On November 01 2011 08:14 tuoli9 wrote:On November 01 2011 07:29 aTnClouD wrote:On November 01 2011 07:27 Enhancer_ wrote:On November 01 2011 07:01 quakerix wrote:On November 01 2011 06:04 AndersR. wrote:
Kinda feel like ESWC has been bashed a bit too much in this thread, the owners now are not the ones who were known for not paying out the money, that where the previous owners who went bankruptcy with the brand. I'm pretty sure that the current owners have done a fine job paying out, at least as far as i remember that was what Na'Vi.cs said last year after they won it. Thank you. I'm extremely surprised that aTnCloud already posted about ESWC not paying out just a few days after the event. We didn't even finish up logistically and this event is already listed in this topic. Ok, i can imagine that because of the previous company going bankrupt the brand had some damage. But posting this before even contacting us is a bit harsh towards the new owners. Last year they paid out just a few weeks after the event and now we didn't even had the chance. You could have contacted us in 100 ways, your management has direct contacts with us, you could have replied to your invite email you could have even gone to our website and look up contact information. Anyway; i messaged you privately and i also already replied to you in the ESWC topic a few days earlier. Give us a break and we'll contact you as soon as possible. On November 01 2011 01:48 Jcnorheim wrote:
I am sorry that this happens.
Many community figures talk about how events compete with one another for viewers, and I think that this is definitely one of the factors that concerns at least some viewers.
On the other side of the coin though, ESWC probably didn't get nearly enough viewers due to having to compete with Blizzcon. So they already lost the competition for viewers. Maybe ESWC will use that as an excuse to disappear again. We had 100k simultaneous viewers as peak during our weekend and there were about 1500 people watching games at the stage. Don't worry about the fact that ESWC wasn't a success. It was. Something is still wrong with the idea that you expect players to have to contact you to get an update on the money owed to them. If you owe someone money, the responsibility is on you to pay it it. Or at least that's how I think it should be. I think the same, but he thought it was wise to PM me saying I put ESWC in bad light for no reason and I might not get invited next year because of it. lol. What!? Did he seriously PM that to you? Wooow... I´m astonished by the stupidity and arrogance quakerix and thereby whole ESWC organisation shows. If we won´t see you competing in the next ESWC we know what happened. Disgusting... Thank you Cloud for making this thread you are a fuckin hero! What the fuck is srsly wrong with you guys ? ESWC was last week ! And the organization as it is now has always paid players within a few weeks. Still, Cloud decides to shit on them for no reason in this thread, explain me why the fuck would they invite him next time, seriously... CLoud already stated it was just on his list of prize money that hasn't been paid yet, not ness. the ones that are taking forever/past the aloted time.
He makes a thread because some tournaments owe him money for some long time (which he's right to do !), but no reason to include ESWC in his post, he should have thought about it ! Anyway it's not like it's a huge loss to not have him for next eswc events
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On November 01 2011 08:23 nvthis wrote:in cs 1.6 this became such a problem, an organization was formed to promote the players rights. http://www.g7teams.com at one point they actually did all agree to boycott tournaments that had back owed prize money. a few of these teams already have sc2 teams, so I wouldnt be surprised to see a similar situation if this continues. ie - http://www.g7teams.com/page/news/46/
yeah we need some kind of an organization that looks after this, seems to eb a big problem!
or just a featured TL-thread were pro's present their missing prize money to put pressure on the tournament organisation.
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You know what really frustrates me about this whole fiasco?
The Tournament holders claiming that it's not their fault for paying out, it's always some third party.
Of course its your damn fault. Have the money before you start the tournament, or don't hold it at all. And we know ESPORTS is a growing business, but that doesn't give you an excuse to be unprofessional.
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