Prize money in Starcraft 2 - Page 51

On November 01 2011 08:04 hytonight wrote:

you need permission from blizz to run a tourney with prizes...

On November 01 2011 08:26 SolidMustard wrote:


He makes a thread because some tournaments owe him money for some long time (which he's right to do !), but no reason to include ESWC in his post, he should have thought about it ! Anyway it's not like it's a huge loss to not have him for next eswc events

On November 01 2011 08:28 Dodgin wrote:


Don't start that shit. If we let tournaments get away with that now they won't stop. It's a slippery slope. In this community, in this scene. The players have the power. Nobody else. If players don't attend the events there is no event.

On November 01 2011 08:21 ReachTheSky wrote:

CLoud already stated it was just on his list of prize money that hasn't been paid yet, not ness. the ones that are taking forever/past the aloted time.

On November 01 2011 08:18 SolidMustard wrote:


What the fuck is srsly wrong with you guys ? ESWC was last week ! And the organization as it is now has always paid players within a few weeks. Still, Cloud decides to shit on them for no reason in this thread, explain me why the fuck would they invite him next time, seriously...

On November 01 2011 08:30 SolidMustard wrote:



LOL looks like you didn't get my point and just read that last line

On November 01 2011 08:25 MonkSEA wrote:


How is it well said? Having a job where you get paid to play a game, and play in tournaments, then when you participate in these tournaments and actually do well, and not getting the prize money you deserve for a long time.. How is that even fair? You state your prize money, people play in it to win, you get publicity for all these insane players who participate in it, and when they get their prize money 5 months later, you feel it's justified and a job well done? Atleast have a disclaimer where you say "Payment of prize money will take up to XXX days to be processed and delivered" having the "XXX" as the amount of days you expect as a tournament organizer for the prize money to be delivered(not sent, delivered.)

I don't see how it's the players fault for expecting prize money that they earned to be paid so late, and sometimes to only pay them once the players themselves threaten the tournament organizers. If you can't pay the players in a timely fashion, don't run a tournament. Especially since all this outcry can be fixed with a prize money payout disclaimer, or just simple communication.

Tournaments on these shame lists that are saying they're not going to let certain players play in their tournament for naming & shaming is just ridiculous(i.e Cloud). If you were competent in running a tournament then you would be messaging players who have earned prize money that the delay could be xxx long, and any questions about payment should be asked by sending emails or calling xxx, that to me, if I was a player who earned some prize money would be acceptable, even if the delay was long I would be assured I was getting paid for performing well. I feel like I wouldn't need to make a post like this unless you:

Didn't pay in the time frame where you assured payment, and didn't contact me about any expected delays to the payment. And if there were an unexpected delay that you faced, I would still want to hear about it.

All this could be fixed with one simple thing:

COMMUNICATION

So tournament organizers, start communicating with players and teams to make them happy, in turn you wouldn't be put on the name & shame list, and then you wouldn't need to go through this discussed boycotting crap that people are talking about.

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On November 01 2011 08:28 Dodgin wrote:


Don't start that shit. If we let tournaments get away with that now they won't stop. It's a slippery slope. In this community, in this scene. The players have the power. Nobody else. If players don't attend the events there is no event.

On November 01 2011 08:32 Dodgin wrote:


I get your point. And it is a poor one. Saying " It's not a big deal if they blacklist a player from an event " is a horrible thing. Sure maybe he should not have included ESWC but they don't need to send PM's threatening him.

On November 01 2011 08:28 Dodgin wrote:


Don't start that shit. If we let tournaments get away with that now they won't stop. It's a slippery slope. In this community, in this scene. The players have the power. Nobody else. If players don't attend the events there is no event.

On November 01 2011 01:29 m2e wrote:
Are we sure that the tournament organizers are 100% at fault here? How do we know it's not Intel or Razer taking long to pay said event organizers? I mean it's not like ESL or whoever has large amounts of cash on hand just ready to pay the moment a tournament is over, they rely on the sponsors to do it and I don't think any company is willing enough to fork over hundreds of thousands of dollars without first seeing how the event turns out to make sure they're getting their moneys worth.

It's easy to blame them (tourny organizers) because they ran the event and we only see the sponsoring companies as the "cool guys who are doing oh so much for eSports" but we all seem to be forgetting about the sponsors who are the ones controlling the flow of funding and might be the main offenders here when it comes to paying up on time. Before we go all hive-mind mode and start slandering and shitting all over event's and their organizers we really do need to be 100% sure that sponsors simply aren't jerking tournaments and their organizers around simply because they hold all the power and can frankly do whatever they want at the pace they want because they're a big name.

I do agree that taking 7+ months to get paid a few thousand dollars you were promised is absurd and should not be happening, but we must first understand and figure out who is the cause of this issue (whether it's the tournament organizers who are just holding onto the money for whatever reason or is it the actual sponsors that are running these tournaments and their organizers around in circles promising payments that take longer than they should, especially for these million and in intel's case billion dollar companies that should have no problems paying up on time simply because they have the luxury of exercising their power to do so.)

Please keep this in mind before you start calling out events and potentially ruining reputations for good due to circumstances out of their control. Let's hear first from some of these event organizers if they wish to chime in and try to understand WHY these payments are taking so long to be made...

On November 01 2011 08:28 tabbott26 wrote:


....over 5k, which is only so they can take some of the advertising revenue. They're not involved in prize money etc...