EPTPrize money in Starcraft 2 - Page 43
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
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ssg
United States1777 Posts
On November 01 2011 06:57 ReachTheSky wrote: exactly my point, a players union or kespa wouldn't do shit. What do you mean? The organization could no longer run any tournaments due to having no players. | ||
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mYNDIG
Norway179 Posts
I'll just start with the fact that there is no excuse, in the end we messed up and we have to take the fall for that. The Gathering try to pay out all the money 14 days after the event, but this time the payment was delayed for both SaSe and NightEnD, (I believe SjoW got his money after the 14 days). The reason the payment was delayed for SaSe was that he didn't have all the information with him at The Gathering (and for some reason we use the worst system ever if we don't have all the information at the event.). With NightEnD, I can't tell. I'm pretty sure we got all his information at the event, but if it got lost or what happened I do not know. All I know is that we had to send in information for SaSe and NightEnD after the event. It was sent in, and everyone thought that both SaSe and NightEnD had received their money, and this I thought until NightEnD contacted me a few weeks ago. I'm not sure what had happened, so I contacted SaSe who told me that he had received the money. When talking to our economy department I got no good answer, but we sent in all the information again. They are working on finding out what went wrong, but it's most likely a human mistake where someone have managed to place NightEnD in the list with people who has received money already. I'm truly embarrassed that NightEnD haven't received his money yet, and I do truly hope that our economy department sorts this out quick. | ||
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quakerix
Netherlands172 Posts
On November 01 2011 06:04 AndersR. wrote: Kinda feel like ESWC has been bashed a bit too much in this thread, the owners now are not the ones who were known for not paying out the money, that where the previous owners who went bankruptcy with the brand. I'm pretty sure that the current owners have done a fine job paying out, at least as far as i remember that was what Na'Vi.cs said last year after they won it. Thank you. I'm extremely surprised that aTnCloud already posted about ESWC not paying out just a few days after the event. We didn't even finish up logistically and this event is already listed in this topic. Ok, i can imagine that because of the previous company going bankrupt the brand had some damage. But posting this before even contacting us is a bit harsh towards the new owners. Last year they paid out just a few weeks after the event and now we didn't even had the chance. You could have contacted us in 100 ways, your management has direct contacts with us, you could have replied to your invite email you could have even gone to our website and look up contact information. Anyway; i messaged you privately and i also already replied to you in the ESWC topic a few days earlier. Give us a break and we'll contact you as soon as possible. On November 01 2011 01:48 Jcnorheim wrote: I am sorry that this happens. Many community figures talk about how events compete with one another for viewers, and I think that this is definitely one of the factors that concerns at least some viewers. On the other side of the coin though, ESWC probably didn't get nearly enough viewers due to having to compete with Blizzcon. So they already lost the competition for viewers. Maybe ESWC will use that as an excuse to disappear again. We had 100k simultaneous viewers as peak during our weekend and there were about 1500 people watching games at the stage. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tu7Fa.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/E1UWs.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0YlVL.jpg) Don't worry about the fact that ESWC wasn't a success. It was. | ||
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jupidar
United States229 Posts
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qwertyindeed
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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pHaRSiDE
United States752 Posts
On November 01 2011 06:52 talismania wrote: The weirdest part about all the ESL small cup money is the lack of professionalism: -Why aren't the admins being proactive about asking for player money details? ------------------------------- giving the players updates about the status of sponsor funds? ------------------------------- replying to emails containing bank info stating that they received the info? ------------------------------- not connecting tournament admins with payment folks, etc? As an admin, let me tell you that there is very little to absolutely nothing we can do about this. We don't sit back and have a party about the fact the money is taking so long to come to the players. Its just something that happens and all we can do is keep asking the right department when is the money coming. Sometimes the answer is not what we want to hear, but like I said, its just the way it is :-/ | ||
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aike
United States1629 Posts
On November 01 2011 07:01 jupidar wrote: The business model is obviously flawed, but how can you change it? Tournaments, teams, and players all rely on sponsors. Sponsors can pay money BEFORE tournaments happen. Instead of relying on future money for tournaments, get the money and then plan your tournament season. It's kind of like how MLG does it, except they actually have capital. | ||
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BluePanther
United States2776 Posts
On November 01 2011 06:54 ReachTheSky wrote: To all the people that say we need a kespa or a players union, how is that gonna prevent organizations from paying out within a reasonable time period?(say 60 days tops). I feel like the same excuse can come up(we don't have the money yet or its in the mail, then we don't have the money yet) and what could this said 'players union' do about it? You get a default judgment against them in a court of law, and place a lien on their personal assets. Lawyers can be dicks like that.  At worst, you force them to come to the table to talk. If you don't want to bankrupt someone with good intentions, you could always settle out of court. A union doesn't have to be limited to only players as well... a union sanctioned event may pay the union for a stamp of approval, ensuring quality payments to players (which from my understanding would also increase the quality of players willing to travel and compete in turn raising their event's prestige or coverage/viewers). This could be done by putting funds in an escrow and having lawyer support for suing sponsors who do not meet their financial commitments on behalf of tournament organizers themselves. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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TideRoll
United States106 Posts
Who's in? | ||
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jupidar
United States229 Posts
On November 01 2011 07:03 aike wrote: Sponsors can pay money BEFORE tournaments happen. Instead of relying on future money for tournaments, get the money and then plan your tournament season. It's kind of like how MLG does it, except they actually have capital. MLG has stream revenue and spectators pay to watch their live games. MLG is sort of nothing like all the other tournaments around. | ||
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
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RAW-BERRY
United States26 Posts
On November 01 2011 07:06 dapierow wrote: Im looking to hear a reply on IDRA and IPL1 Was most likely taken to PMs after IPL said they were looking into it. | ||
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zyzski
United States698 Posts
2-3 years in esports and i got all of my money, eventually | ||
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socommaster123
United States578 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On November 01 2011 07:04 BluePanther wrote: You get a default judgment against them in a court of law, and place a lien on their personal assets. Lawyers can be dicks like that. At worst, you force them to come to the table to talk. If you don't want to bankrupt someone with good intentions, you could always settle out of court. A union doesn't have to be limited to only players as well... a union sanctioned event may pay the union for a stamp of approval, ensuring quality payments to players (which from my understanding would also increase the quality of players willing to travel and compete in turn raising their event's prestige or coverage/viewers). This could be done by putting funds in an escrow and having lawyer support for suing sponsors who do not meet their financial commitments on behalf of tournament organizers themselves.Litigation costs usually outweigh the prizes..... I can possibly see this happening in the future say 10 years from now if sc2/esports/sc3/whatever RTS game at the time grows to be huge like MLB,NBA etc but right now it just doesn't seem financially worth the time... | ||
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GrimReefer
United States442 Posts
imagine if a team came out and said "XYZ tournament has not paid our player ABC, we will not participate in any further tournaments . . . yadda yadda yadda. We ask our brother and sister SC2 teams to act in kind because a breach of contract for one player is a potential breach for all players. we as a community should not stand for this and we will show it by not participating in any future tournaments." boom problem solved. sure it's possible that we might lose some SC2 tournaments, but really there's so many that losing a few tournaments that aren't paying out the winners isn't a problem. if the community, the players, and the teams boycott a tournament what hope does it have? no players = no games to show, no community = no one watching streams, no teams = no players and no hype. | ||
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NapoleonBonaparte
France64 Posts
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