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Grettin
42381 Posts
On October 29 2011 03:28 Xxio wrote: Posts like these make me sad inside. Nestea, MC and MVP are simply not on the same level. No point in a show match. It would be funny to see how the broodwar pros would play against these players after short amount of practice, but other than that, wouldn't be that interesting. | ||
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ChuCky.Ca
Canada2497 Posts
True but the Kratoss Protoss is god killer!!!! | ||
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croupier
United States92 Posts
I do sympathize with BW fans as this may or may not be harmful to their scene. That sucks. Overall though, as an SC2 fan I'm excited and hopeful. | ||
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TERRANLOL
United States626 Posts
On October 29 2011 03:01 chenchen wrote: The foreign BW scene was just as big and just as overhyped when it first developed in the late 90s and early 2000s. There were lots of tournaments and lots of fulltime pro players. However, by the mid 2000s, as expected, most foreigner BW players moved on to newer, shinier, games. The Koreans actually recognized it for the masterpiece that it is. Unfortunately for the foreigner scene, SC2 has already suffered from massive drops in player base since release as newer shinies are released. I think that not long after Legacy of the Void is released, most foreigners will have moved on to new shinies, thus destroying the foreign SC2 viewerbase which will lead to a collapse of the pro scene. However, when Koreans like a game, they stick to it. What do you have to say about barcraft? Or the constant expansion of MLG viewership? | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On October 29 2011 03:28 Xxio wrote: Posts like these make me sad inside. Nestea, MC and MVP are simply not on the same level. No point in a show match. If a showmatch occurred anytime soon, Jaedong, Bisu, and Fantasy would get trashed. Sorry, but overcoming a year's deficit of playing SC2 won't happen in a few weeks. I don't care if you're Flash. It's not happening, especially given how the game's getting patched so constantly. | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
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dmnum
Brazil6910 Posts
On October 29 2011 03:03 PhoenixDark wrote: Haha I actually thought of putting drones in overlords to defend hellion drops once, but right now my mechanics are not the best so I can't spare the apm to do it correctly. Thank you BW is obviously a "harder" game but it's also been around for far longer, people have mastered it and there are no balance issues. I like the idea of streamlining some of the mechanics so players can focus on economy, micro, etc. Does anyone honestly believe SC2 will be "bad" 2-3 years from now, when people start mastering more and more of the game? SC2 Terran already looks close to its final potential to me; part of that revolves around balance issues, but regardless Terran's are microing better than the other races. There's going to come a day when some zerg boss doesn't miss larvae injects, spreads creep endlessly, evolves drop play defense (putting drones in Overlords?), and makes rapid tech switch re-max armies that break everyone's minds. We're not there yet. -------- On topic: If they start playing SC2, great. If they don't, great too. BW S-class pros won't push the skill cap to it's maximum too quickly I think, but they accelerate the process and I'm enjoying having guys like MVP around, who have the potential to represent to SC2 what NaDa did to BW(Only talking about gameplay here, no one can top NaDa in terms of backstory and body-stiffness I guess). | ||
Chill
Calgary25993 Posts
On October 29 2011 03:01 chenchen wrote: The foreign BW scene was just as big and just as overhyped when it first developed in the late 90s and early 2000s. There were lots of tournaments and lots of fulltime pro players. However, by the mid 2000s, as expected, most foreigner BW players moved on to newer, shinier, games. The Koreans actually recognized it for the masterpiece that it is. Unfortunately for the foreigner scene, SC2 has already suffered from massive drops in player base since release as newer shinies are released. I think that not long after Legacy of the Void is released, most foreigners will have moved on to new shinies, thus destroying the foreign SC2 viewerbase which will lead to a collapse of the pro scene. However, when Koreans like a game, they stick to it. This is just a lie. Maybe the feeling is similar, but the prize money in SC2 is a full order of magnitude higher and the viewership two orders of magnitude larger. | ||
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DivinitySC2
United States244 Posts
On October 29 2011 00:29 Merlimoo wrote: Go play Spam Click v3 then. 400 APM were needed because the game was stupidly user unfriendly. It is not anymore, allowing more people without nerdy skills and time to express their strategical abilities. In a strategy game, that is what is important. User was temp banned for this post. Im scrolling through the topic and the banned comments clearly show a bias in the moderators, whoevers issueing the bans respond to this post and give your reasons why, TL is known to be super moderated but this is rediculous, people are just voicing their legitimate opinions. Love for BW is passion, thats good but dont let that get in your way of thinking. My personal take on all of this is very similar to Blizzards, Steve Jobs put it famously in his speech, the old must die to make way for the new, we have to embrace death. The BW scene is a hinderence to the optimal growth of SCII and I believe that the newer game should exist. SCII has a long life ahead of it because it is a new game, and one day its time will come also, but thats in the future, we don't have to worry about that, brood war has had its time. | ||
Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
On October 29 2011 03:31 ChuCky.Ca wrote: True but the Kratoss Protoss is god killer!!!! ....losing faith in humanity... | ||
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awwnuts07
United States621 Posts
I for one would love to see Bisu play SC2 Protoss like BW. His style is so sick. | ||
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Moa
United States790 Posts
On October 29 2011 03:28 Xxio wrote: Posts like these make me sad inside. Nestea, MC and MVP are simply not on the same level. No point in a show match. It is a little sad but I want to see what these guys can do to the top SC2 players in their own game after a bit of practice. It may be a disrespectful idea that the BW demons should play the SC2 pioneers but it would be damn good entertainment. Personally as a relative newcomer to the scene who doesn't particularly understand and appreciate what I am seeing when I try to watch BW I want to see what the BEST rts player looks like when playing SC2. I want to see them show what they can do in a media that I can understand. | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
On October 29 2011 03:35 DivinitySC2 wrote: Im scrolling through the topic and the banned comments clearly show a bias in the moderators, whoevers issueing the bans respond to this post and give your reasons why, TL is known to be super moderated but this is rediculous, people are just voicing their legitimate opinions. Love for BW is passion, thats good but dont let that get in your way of thinking. My personal take on all of this is very similar to Blizzards, Steve Jobs put it famously in his speech, the old must die to make way for the new, we have to embrace death. The BW scene is a hinderence to the optimal growth of SCII and I believe that the newer game should exist. SCII has a long life ahead of it because it is a new game, and one day its time will come also, but thats in the future, we don't have to worry about that, brood war has had its time. If you have issues with the moderation PM the mod who banned the person in question (in thus case chill) and talk it out with them or take it to website feedback, this is not the place | ||
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Tsubbi
Germany7996 Posts
i personally am not seeing those bw guys doing extraordinary well in sc2 any time soon, especially considering a lot of bw legends aren't exactly dominating in sc2 right now anyways will be super exiting to see the first aired sc2 matches from some of the big names | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On October 29 2011 03:36 Xxio wrote: My point is that there simply shouldn't be a show match. Nestea MC and MVP are Nestea MC and MVP. Jaedong Bisu and Fantasy are Jaedong Bisu and Fantasy. ....losing faith in humanity... our point is that it would be interesting with the time handicap, to see just how good jd, bisu, fantasy/flash are at the game right out the gates | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On October 29 2011 03:36 Xxio wrote: My point is that there simply shouldn't be a show match. Nestea MC and MVP are Nestea MC and MVP. Jaedong Bisu and Fantasy are Jaedong Bisu and Fantasy. In that case, I completely agree. It'd be near pointless and just foster more and more hostility between the two communities. Can you imagine how smug the SC2 fans would be if NesTea/MC/MVP won and how defensive the BW fans would be? Or how elitist the BW fans would be if their players won? Would be a clusterfuck. | ||
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kamikami
France1057 Posts
Anyways I'm happy for the SC2 scene and hope that people from both BW and SC2 scenes can now live in harmony from now on. In the other hand, I'm sad since I am the manager of a BW clan and many members cannot afford SC2 or/and the equipments to play it, at this rate our team (and the other 6 teams of our community) must disband and our community will fade into history. SAD. | ||
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Kal_rA
United States2925 Posts
 TBH though I wish there could just be two universes. One for sc2, one for bw. I wouldn't mind seeing TaekBangLeeSsang poop all over current sc2 pros, but if it comes down to watching them play bw or sc2, I would pick bw everytime. Since that isn't possible (  ) I hope they all just stay in BW.. Sigh. | ||
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dahornnn
United Kingdom395 Posts
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DorF
Sweden961 Posts
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