BW Teams playing Starcraft 2 - Page 42

On October 29 2011 02:53 theleo_ua wrote:
I wonder - how their SC2 practices affect their BW level

On October 29 2011 02:45 Canucklehead wrote:


I like that aspect of sc2 because it rewards more game sense and knowledge, rather than just pure mechanics. I have this argument with my bw elitist friend all the time. I believe that a bulk of bw mechanical skill just comes from the fact that the bw UI is outdated and cumbersome. Therefore you need to become a practice robot to overcome the poor UI.

I think that's the wrong way to judge skill. It's like if someone designed the most awful and unintuitive UI possible on purpose and then told people to practice like crazy to overcome these limitations. Sure some people will be able to overcome that handicap better than others, but that's just due to being a practice robot.

I don't like judging skill like that. That's why I like sc2 more than bw because it rewards game sense and knowledge first and mechanics second. Sure people with great mechanics will still be rewarded in sc2, but since the UI is easier and more streamlined in sc2, that won't be the main factor of success because more people can attain that. I just don't like the idea of overcoming a crappy UI better than others as a good sign of skill. It just means you practiced more than others at overcoming that handicap.

On October 29 2011 02:45 Canucklehead wrote:


I like that aspect of sc2 because it rewards more game sense and knowledge, rather than just pure mechanics. I have this argument with my bw elitist friend all the time. I believe that a bulk of bw mechanical skill just comes from the fact that the bw UI is outdated and cumbersome. Therefore you need to become a practice robot to overcome the poor UI.

I think that's the wrong way to judge skill. It's like if someone designed the most awful and unintuitive UI possible on purpose and then told people to practice like crazy to overcome these limitations. Sure some people will be able to overcome that handicap better than others, but that's just due to being a practice robot.

I don't like judging skill like that. That's why I like sc2 more than bw because it rewards game sense and knowledge first and mechanics second. Sure people with great mechanics will still be rewarded in sc2, but since the UI is easier and more streamlined in sc2, that won't be the main factor of success because more people can attain that. I just don't like the idea of overcoming a crappy UI better than others as a good sign of skill. It just means you practiced more than others at overcoming that handicap.

On October 29 2011 02:55 Brainling wrote:


This is my exact though, and I was going to post it, but you already did.

Measuring skill as your ability overcome a completely outdated UI and control scheme is stupid. Yes, BW is mechanically harder to play, but the idea that it's a good thing is completely foreign to me.

Also, I think all the people predicting total collapse of the current SC2 scene are completely short sighted and don't understand the factors that went in to Korean dominance of BW. The foreign SC2 scene actually has the infrastructure and funding to compete now; it did not in BW. In fact, most of the money in SC2 is in the foreign scene, it's not in Korea. And lets face it, money is what really makes the best players. Money = best equipment, better salaries, more practice time, ability to pool the best talent in closer proximity. Money is also the reason you see the Pro League teams doing this. They see MLG, they see Blizzconn and the 13+K people that were watching GSL finals live. They see where the money is moving, and it's not in to BW.

The real question is: How long can KeSPA keep up their demilitarized zone strategy to competition control? The real money in SC2 is found outside of Korea, which means the top players are going to need to be free to compete both in and outside of the country. KeSPA is gonna be late to the party and not just going to be able to throw their weight around to get what they want.

On October 29 2011 02:58 renaissanceMAN wrote:
just gotta say chill doin work

On October 29 2011 02:45 Canucklehead wrote:


I like that aspect of sc2 because it rewards more game sense and knowledge, rather than just pure mechanics. I have this argument with my bw elitist friend all the time. I believe that a bulk of bw mechanical skill just comes from the fact that the bw UI is outdated and cumbersome. Therefore you need to become a practice robot to overcome the poor UI.

I think that's the wrong way to judge skill. It's like if someone designed the most awful and unintuitive UI possible on purpose and then told people to practice like crazy to overcome these limitations. Sure some people will be able to overcome that handicap better than others, but that's just due to being a practice robot.

I don't like judging skill like that. That's why I like sc2 more than bw because it rewards game sense and knowledge first and mechanics second. Sure people with great mechanics will still be rewarded in sc2, but since the UI is easier and more streamlined in sc2, that won't be the main factor of success because more people can attain that. I just don't like the idea of overcoming a crappy UI better than others as a good sign of skill. It just means you practiced more than others at overcoming that handicap.

On October 29 2011 02:45 Canucklehead wrote:


I like that aspect of sc2 because it rewards more game sense and knowledge, rather than just pure mechanics. I have this argument with my bw elitist friend all the time. I believe that a bulk of bw mechanical skill just comes from the fact that the bw UI is outdated and cumbersome. Therefore you need to become a practice robot to overcome the poor UI.

I think that's the wrong way to judge skill. It's like if someone designed the most awful and unintuitive UI possible on purpose and then told people to practice like crazy to overcome these limitations. Sure some people will be able to overcome that handicap better than others, but that's just due to being a practice robot.

I don't like judging skill like that. That's why I like sc2 more than bw because it rewards game sense and knowledge first and mechanics second. Sure people with great mechanics will still be rewarded in sc2, but since the UI is easier and more streamlined in sc2, that won't be the main factor of success because more people can attain that. I just don't like the idea of overcoming a crappy UI better than others as a good sign of skill. It just means you practiced more than others at overcoming that handicap.

On October 29 2011 03:01 chenchen wrote:


The foreign BW scene was just as big and just as overhyped when it first developed in the late 90s and early 2000s. There were lots of tournaments and lots of fulltime pro players. However, by the mid 2000s, as expected, most foreigner BW players moved on to newer, shinier, games. The Koreans actually recognized it for the masterpiece that it is. Unfortunately for the foreigner scene, SC2 has already suffered from massive drops in player base since release as newer shinies are released. I think that not long after Legacy of the Void is released, most foreigners will have moved on to new shinies, thus destroying the foreign SC2 viewerbase which will lead to a collapse of the pro scene. However, when Koreans like a game, they stick to it.