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sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
October 31 2011 11:51 GMT
#2481
This thread was doomed to become a SC2 vs BW from the beginning....sigh.

What I believe the BW-ers are missing is the fact that starcraft vanilla actually was a quite terribly imbalanced game that needed many, many YEARS to become what it is right now. If we compare the development of SC vanilla to what has happened to SC2 in merely a year it is pretty mindblowing. Not only is is just not fair to compare a game that has evolved for years with a game that's one year old - moreover people miss that we are have still two add-ons to go until we are set with the final bunch of units. Currently we are playing nothing more than some sort of glorified beta.

If you continue this thought-process, it's a GREAT thing when BW-players are switching right now, because the amount of feedback those people - especially the coaches, not only the players themselves - can give to blizzard is huge. If Flash, Bisu and Jaedong give their input on how to improve and balance the game....then SC2 could become amazing with the 2nd add-on.

Maybe we could agree on this thing: currently, BW is > SC2 in terms of balance and competitiveness. But if the top-notch BW-players start playing SC2, their input especially when it comes to balancing HotS and LotV could turn out to be priceless.
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Torpedo.Vegas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1890 Posts
October 31 2011 11:52 GMT
#2482
On October 31 2011 20:45 bRiz wrote:
I'd rather the elitists quit watching e-sports if BW ceases to be played as one. They claim to support BW and only BW by pointing out flaws in SC2 and comparing it bit by bit to brood war. I don't want these kinds of fans following SC2, so in the end, I guess it's better for them to go out fighting kicking and screaming, because that will be the end of it. Unless they continue to stink up the forums.

Note to all you cool BW/SC2 fans, it's downright disrespectful to shit up the board of another game you either don't play/follow just to justify your own game. Neither base should be doing it and both are doing it equally on team liquid.


Yeah, besides, fuck Warcraft.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
October 31 2011 11:53 GMT
#2483
On October 31 2011 19:54 Dimagus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 19:51 jjhchsc2 wrote:
hope they start when HotS comes out.
not now....


Speaking of which... we need a giant countdown on the top of the page showing the exact number of milliseconds until HotS releases.


Is there a date given yet? If not, it may be hard

Unless they do a contest to see who can guess the correct date
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Spidinko
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovakia1174 Posts
October 31 2011 11:54 GMT
#2484
On October 31 2011 19:05 ninini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 17:20 esotericc wrote:
This isn't your personal bash BW thread. Sc2 does not have an uncertain future, the game is constantly growing, already has a giant fan base and is picking up steam.

I personally think Sc2 is a better game than BW but I don't go around shitting all over your game. The sad part is if someone made this post about BW they would be banned. I don't come into the BW forums and bash BW so keep this crap out of the sc2 forums.

How can you say SC2 have a certain future when right now the only ppl who follow SC2 are gamers who plays the game themselves. If you go to a Hockey or Football game, the majority of the fans doesn't even play. That's similar to how the BW scene is in Korea. That's why the future of SC2 is uncertain, it needs to hit the mainstream before you can say that the game has a future as a spectator sport.

BW on the other hand have already proven itself as a spectator sport.

I haven't played SC2 since December and I still watch the game.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 31 2011 11:57 GMT
#2485
On October 31 2011 20:45 bRiz wrote:
I'd rather the elitists quit watching e-sports if BW ceases to be played as one. They claim to support BW and only BW by pointing out flaws in SC2 and comparing it bit by bit to brood war. I don't want these kinds of fans following SC2, so in the end, I guess it's better for them to go out fighting kicking and screaming, because that will be the end of it. Unless they continue to stink up the forums.

Note to all you cool BW/SC2 fans, it's downright disrespectful to shit up the board of another game you either don't play/follow just to justify your own game. Neither base should be doing it and both are doing it equally on team liquid.


This isn't a case of "you can't talk shit in my home", it's stupid to divide TL in two camps and keep them away from each other. Bad posts should be removed regardless of where they are posted. On the other hand, if someone makes a civil argument you dislike or disagree with, hiding behind "these are MY forums" is cheap and pointless anyway.
hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 12:01:24
October 31 2011 11:58 GMT
#2486
On October 31 2011 20:37 esotericc wrote:
Man you BW guys are really bitter about Sc2. Maybe I should come shit up the BW forum complaining about graphics and other short comings, fortunately I have more respect for another games community then that.


Are you bitter about "Angry Birds" or something? I guess you're not. Would you watch a VODs of that game? I guess you wouldnt. That's how I treat SC2. I dont care about that game and I will not follow it. I'm not even mad about SC2 right now, just care about BroodWar teams. If I will be forced to not watch BW vods, I will not watch SC2 Vods becouse it's no fun for me, and I still have CoH VODs wich are almoust as fun to watch as BW vods.
Deal with it. There are some guys who arent bitter towards SC2 becouse of BW, just dont care.
My thouth is like this: BW teams will switch to SC2?
FINE!!!
As long as it's not forced by Blizzard's threats, but sponsors or popularity of that game (wich is a case rigth now, so it's good). But it's not a reason to watch it for me.
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
Archvil3
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark989 Posts
October 31 2011 12:00 GMT
#2487
On October 31 2011 20:51 sleepingdog wrote:
This thread was doomed to become a SC2 vs BW from the beginning....sigh.

What I believe the BW-ers are missing is the fact that starcraft vanilla actually was a quite terribly imbalanced game that needed many, many YEARS to become what it is right now. If we compare the development of SC vanilla to what has happened to SC2 in merely a year it is pretty mindblowing. Not only is is just not fair to compare a game that has evolved for years with a game that's one year old - moreover people miss that we are have still two add-ons to go until we are set with the final bunch of units. Currently we are playing nothing more than some sort of glorified beta.

If you continue this thought-process, it's a GREAT thing when BW-players are switching right now, because the amount of feedback those people - especially the coaches, not only the players themselves - can give to blizzard is huge. If Flash, Bisu and Jaedong give their input on how to improve and balance the game....then SC2 could become amazing with the 2nd add-on.

Maybe we could agree on this thing: currently, BW is > SC2 in terms of balance and competitiveness. But if the top-notch BW-players start playing SC2, their input especially when it comes to balancing HotS and LotV could turn out to be priceless.


Exactly. That is the thing. BW may be better then SC2 in many ways but it has outlived its potential. It's not a bad thing by any means, BW is awesome and got a fantastic history, but looking ahead there is nothing new comming. The game wont ever change and the scene have already peaked.

SC2 is on its way up. 2 expansions will vastly improve the game and the scene is on the rise. SC2 can be so much more then BW ever were. And again its not to critisize BW in any way, what it is and what it has been is nothing less then amazing. BW had a great run and was for many years the true frontier in e-sports.

But SC2 can potentialy be more then that. The game will evolve over the next many years and can become a much better game then BW ever were. The scene can be unlike anything we have ever seen if we successfully merge the international SC2 scene with the korean BW scene.

It is going to be amazing. You may not like it right now, and for now it may be seen as a downgrade by the die hard BW fans, but down the road we will be looking at a better game and a bigger scene.
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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5574 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 12:05:55
October 31 2011 12:00 GMT
#2488
On October 31 2011 20:45 bRiz wrote:
I'd rather the elitists quit watching e-sports if BW ceases to be played as one. They claim to support BW and only BW by pointing out flaws in SC2 and comparing it bit by bit to brood war. I don't want these kinds of fans following SC2, so in the end, I guess it's better for them to go out fighting kicking and screaming, because that will be the end of it. Unless they continue to stink up the forums.

Note to all you cool BW/SC2 fans, it's downright disrespectful to shit up the board of another game you either don't play/follow just to justify your own game. Neither base should be doing it and both are doing it equally on team liquid.


It's sad that you're saying that. Imagine that if Marine vs. Baneling micro was not possible in SC2, BW fans would be the most vocal group of people advocating for it, while the vast majority of SC2 fans wouldn't really care because they're content with the game as it is and eventually swallow any bullshit blizzard feeds them. It's the BW fans that can't get over the fact Mutas are nearly microless, Colossi are fucking boring, most games end up in a giant ball vs. ball clash, LAN is not there, and so on. SC2 fans usually just accept the reality and play some more ladder games/watch some stream.


On October 31 2011 20:51 sleepingdog wrote:
This thread was doomed to become a SC2 vs BW from the beginning....sigh.

What I believe the BW-ers are missing is the fact that starcraft vanilla actually was a quite terribly imbalanced game that needed many, many YEARS to become what it is right now. If we compare the development of SC vanilla to what has happened to SC2 in merely a year it is pretty mindblowing. Not only is is just not fair to compare a game that has evolved for years with a game that's one year old - moreover people miss that we are have still two add-ons to go until we are set with the final bunch of units. Currently we are playing nothing more than some sort of glorified beta.

If you continue this thought-process, it's a GREAT thing when BW-players are switching right now, because the amount of feedback those people - especially the coaches, not only the players themselves - can give to blizzard is huge. If Flash, Bisu and Jaedong give their input on how to improve and balance the game....then SC2 could become amazing with the 2nd add-on.

Maybe we could agree on this thing: currently, BW is > SC2 in terms of balance and competitiveness. But if the top-notch BW-players start playing SC2, their input especially when it comes to balancing HotS and LotV could turn out to be priceless.


Unfortunately blizzard is unlikely to listen to their feedback anyway... They did not listen when top players complained about the lack of LAN. They did not listen when they complained about deathball and extremely short battles. Same for the lack of micro, dull units and so on.

It's not about balance. Blizzard has to first fix some of the fundamental flaws instead of balancing the game around them. And they won't do that, they already said they won't.
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
October 31 2011 12:03 GMT
#2489
On October 31 2011 20:58 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 20:37 esotericc wrote:
Man you BW guys are really bitter about Sc2. Maybe I should come shit up the BW forum complaining about graphics and other short comings, fortunately I have more respect for another games community then that.


Are you bitter about "Angry Birds" or something? I guess you're not. Would you watch a VODs of that game? I guess you wouldnt. That's how I treat SC2. I dont care about that game and I will not follow it. I'm not even mad about SC2 right now, just care about BroodWar teams. If I will be forced to not watch BW vods, I will not watch SC2 Vods becouse it's no fun for me, and I still have CoH VODs wich are almoust as fun to watch as BW vods.
Deal with it. There are some guys who arent bitter towards SC2 becouse of BW, just dont care.
My thouth is like this: BW teams will switch to SC2?
FINE!!!
As long as it's not forced by Blizzard's threats, but sponsors or popularity of that game (wich is a case rigth now, so it's good). But it's not a reason to watch it for me.


i guess he is not going to a "angry birds" section in a forum to talk how good my other game is
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hitthat
Profile Joined January 2010
Poland2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 12:07:01
October 31 2011 12:05 GMT
#2490
On October 31 2011 21:03 GizmoPT wrote:
i guess he is not going to a "angry birds" section in a forum to talk how good my other game is


This is CN, not SC2 section. And it's also about BW.

Edit: ow, wait. It is SC2 section O.o
Shameless BroodWar separatistic, elitist, fanaticaly devoted puritan fanboy.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 12:08:45
October 31 2011 12:08 GMT
#2491
On October 31 2011 19:05 ninini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 17:20 esotericc wrote:
This isn't your personal bash BW thread. Sc2 does not have an uncertain future, the game is constantly growing, already has a giant fan base and is picking up steam.

I personally think Sc2 is a better game than BW but I don't go around shitting all over your game. The sad part is if someone made this post about BW they would be banned. I don't come into the BW forums and bash BW so keep this crap out of the sc2 forums.

How can you say SC2 have a certain future when right now the only ppl who follow SC2 are gamers who plays the game themselves. If you go to a Hockey or Football game, the majority of the fans doesn't even play. That's similar to how the BW scene is in Korea. That's why the future of SC2 is uncertain, it needs to hit the mainstream before you can say that the game has a future as a spectator sport.

BW on the other hand have already proven itself as a spectator sport.

I have never owned the game and only play it very infrequently on friends accounts. But I follow the scene pretty hardcore.
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maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5574 Posts
October 31 2011 12:09 GMT
#2492
On October 31 2011 21:05 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 21:03 GizmoPT wrote:
i guess he is not going to a "angry birds" section in a forum to talk how good my other game is


This is CN, not SC2 section. And it's also about BW.

Edit: ow, wait. It is SC2 section O.o


Community News is always in one of the TL sections. Usually either SC2 or BW.
Squeegy
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland1166 Posts
October 31 2011 12:10 GMT
#2493
On October 31 2011 20:45 bRiz wrote:
I'd rather the elitists quit watching e-sports if BW ceases to be played as one. They claim to support BW and only BW by pointing out flaws in SC2 and comparing it bit by bit to brood war. I don't want these kinds of fans following SC2, so in the end, I guess it's better for them to go out fighting kicking and screaming, because that will be the end of it. Unless they continue to stink up the forums.

Note to all you cool BW/SC2 fans, it's downright disrespectful to shit up the board of another game you either don't play/follow just to justify your own game. Neither base should be doing it and both are doing it equally on team liquid.


It's kind of like some Americans* taking over a famous, classy and traditional Chinese cuisine restaurant and turning it into a Billy's Burger & Chips. And then not understanding why the former customers don't like it, "But can't you see, the food is so much easier to make and doesn't require so many obscure ingredients! It's for the food culture!". And then to have the nerve to claim that we are the ones stinking up the forum. It's like holy shit aren't you one arrogant newbie. I just can't wait for the moment when your favourite game dies because then, and only then (if even then), will you understand: You will remember this day and your newbie self acting as if you had any idea about anything... and you will feel shame because you will understand where we were coming from and why we were so much wiser than you.

With that being said. I don't give a shit about tennis. I don't give a shit about the future of football. Just as I don't give a shit about the future of esports. BW to many of us is esports. I don't give a shit about furthering some movement that is starting to sound religious with their brain-melting zombie bullshit mantra about the "greater good of esports". If there is no BW, I'll just go back to watching real sports. After all, only BW has managed to get me as excited as hockey has.

*I still <3 US
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Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
October 31 2011 12:10 GMT
#2494
On October 31 2011 21:00 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 20:45 bRiz wrote:
I'd rather the elitists quit watching e-sports if BW ceases to be played as one. They claim to support BW and only BW by pointing out flaws in SC2 and comparing it bit by bit to brood war. I don't want these kinds of fans following SC2, so in the end, I guess it's better for them to go out fighting kicking and screaming, because that will be the end of it. Unless they continue to stink up the forums.

Note to all you cool BW/SC2 fans, it's downright disrespectful to shit up the board of another game you either don't play/follow just to justify your own game. Neither base should be doing it and both are doing it equally on team liquid.


It's sad that you're saying that. Imagine that if Marine vs. Baneling micro was not possible in SC2, BW fans would be the most vocal group of people advocating for it, while the vast majority of SC2 fans wouldn't really care because they're content with the game as it is and eventually swallow any bullshit blizzard feeds them. It's the BW fans that can't get over the fact Mutas are nearly microless, Colossi are fucking boring, most games end up in a giant ball vs. ball clash, LAN is not there, and so on. SC2 fans usually just accept the reality and play some more ladder games/watch some stream.


At what point do SC2 fans accept the reality of these matters? Every LR thread erupts with balance shouting as soon as a Terran wins. There are countless threads about units coming in when HotS comes out, and why they will be terrible....and the units haven't even been tested properly. Half the questions I see from the community involved balance questions.
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dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
October 31 2011 12:11 GMT
#2495
On October 31 2011 21:05 hitthat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 21:03 GizmoPT wrote:
i guess he is not going to a "angry birds" section in a forum to talk how good my other game is


This is CN, not SC2 section. And it's also about BW.

Edit: ow, wait. It is SC2 section O.o


This is on the community news headlines, though, so people complaining about pro-BW posts in the SC2 forums should keep that in mind.

On October 31 2011 21:08 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 19:05 ninini wrote:
How can you say SC2 have a certain future when right now the only ppl who follow SC2 are gamers who plays the game themselves. If you go to a Hockey or Football game, the majority of the fans doesn't even play. That's similar to how the BW scene is in Korea. That's why the future of SC2 is uncertain, it needs to hit the mainstream before you can say that the game has a future as a spectator sport.

BW on the other hand have already proven itself as a spectator sport.

I have never owned the game and only play it very infrequently on friends accounts. But I follow the scene pretty hardcore.


Similar here. I bought the game, played the campaign on normal, did some of the challenges, played a few 2v2s with a friend, and never touched it again. After over a year of not playing I still watch SC2 almost every day. I don't enjoy playing competitive games, but I like watching them.
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Miefer
Profile Joined March 2011
Taiwan229 Posts
October 31 2011 12:14 GMT
#2496
On October 31 2011 21:00 maybenexttime wrote:

It's sad that you're saying that. Imagine that if Marine vs. Baneling micro was not possible in SC2, BW fans would be the most vocal group of people advocating for it, while the vast majority of SC2 fans wouldn't really care because they're content with the game as it is and eventually swallow any bullshit blizzard feeds them. It's the BW fans that can't get over the fact Mutas are nearly microless, Colossi are fucking boring, most games end up in a giant ball vs. ball clash, LAN is not there, and so on. SC2 fans usually just accept the reality and play some more ladder games/watch some stream.


thats just nonsense. I played sc:bw only for fun and not really much, but i do want lan for sc2. lan isnt only existent in sc:bw. lan is pretty standart in every rts like wc3, coh or c&c. for the other issues you can just go to the sc2 forum section here and you will see that most sc2 fans want changes too. you just make up some assumptions and generalise it to be true.
maybenexttime
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Poland5574 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 12:25:23
October 31 2011 12:15 GMT
#2497
On October 31 2011 21:10 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 21:00 maybenexttime wrote:
On October 31 2011 20:45 bRiz wrote:
I'd rather the elitists quit watching e-sports if BW ceases to be played as one. They claim to support BW and only BW by pointing out flaws in SC2 and comparing it bit by bit to brood war. I don't want these kinds of fans following SC2, so in the end, I guess it's better for them to go out fighting kicking and screaming, because that will be the end of it. Unless they continue to stink up the forums.

Note to all you cool BW/SC2 fans, it's downright disrespectful to shit up the board of another game you either don't play/follow just to justify your own game. Neither base should be doing it and both are doing it equally on team liquid.


It's sad that you're saying that. Imagine that if Marine vs. Baneling micro was not possible in SC2, BW fans would be the most vocal group of people advocating for it, while the vast majority of SC2 fans wouldn't really care because they're content with the game as it is and eventually swallow any bullshit blizzard feeds them. It's the BW fans that can't get over the fact Mutas are nearly microless, Colossi are fucking boring, most games end up in a giant ball vs. ball clash, LAN is not there, and so on. SC2 fans usually just accept the reality and play some more ladder games/watch some stream.


At what point do SC2 fans accept the reality of these matters? Every LR thread erupts with balance shouting as soon as a Terran wins. There are countless threads about units coming in when HotS comes out, and why they will be terrible....and the units haven't even been tested properly. Half the questions I see from the community involved balance questions.


My post wasn't about balance but gameplay design. T_____T


On October 31 2011 21:14 Miefer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 21:00 maybenexttime wrote:

It's sad that you're saying that. Imagine that if Marine vs. Baneling micro was not possible in SC2, BW fans would be the most vocal group of people advocating for it, while the vast majority of SC2 fans wouldn't really care because they're content with the game as it is and eventually swallow any bullshit blizzard feeds them. It's the BW fans that can't get over the fact Mutas are nearly microless, Colossi are fucking boring, most games end up in a giant ball vs. ball clash, LAN is not there, and so on. SC2 fans usually just accept the reality and play some more ladder games/watch some stream.


thats just nonsense. I played sc:bw only for fun and not really much, but i do want lan for sc2. lan isnt only existent in sc:bw. lan is pretty standart in every rts like wc3, coh or c&c. for the other issues you can just go to the sc2 forum section here and you will see that most sc2 fans want changes too. you just make up some assumptions and generalise it to be true.


And what did you do to voice your opinion? Did you vote with your wallet like I did? What did the whole SC2 community do? They simply accepted blizzard's terms. I didn't see a single tournament boycotting the fact that there's no LAN. Not a single progamer criticized blizzard openly (and not just among themselves in private conversations). Blizzard said "NO LAN" and you, people, just bent over, no offence. The SC2 community got so passive that hardly anyone brings up LAN at all at this point when confronting blizzard.

And I'm not making assumptions. Every single time I or someone else brings those issues up, I'm shat on by the SC2 community and labeled as a mindless SC2 hater. That's the reality of things. Every time I say SC2 could use some more micro here and there, get rid of a stupid, skillless unit such as Colossus or such, I'm told that I should go back to BW and leave SC2 alone.

Every time some TL editor writes a longer article about the flaws of SC2 and how blizzard could fix them, a shitstorm commences. So don't tell me the SC2 community is not content with the way things are.
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
October 31 2011 12:33 GMT
#2498
On October 31 2011 19:10 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 19:05 ninini wrote:
On October 31 2011 17:20 esotericc wrote:
This isn't your personal bash BW thread. Sc2 does not have an uncertain future, the game is constantly growing, already has a giant fan base and is picking up steam.

I personally think Sc2 is a better game than BW but I don't go around shitting all over your game. The sad part is if someone made this post about BW they would be banned. I don't come into the BW forums and bash BW so keep this crap out of the sc2 forums.

How can you say SC2 have a certain future when right now the only ppl who follow SC2 are gamers who plays the game themselves. If you go to a Hockey or Football game, the majority of the fans doesn't even play. That's similar to how the BW scene is in Korea. That's why the future of SC2 is uncertain, it needs to hit the mainstream before you can say that the game has a future as a spectator sport.

BW on the other hand have already proven itself as a spectator sport.


BW is a spectator sport only in Korea. I'm pretty sure most gamers worldwide don't even know about BW esports in Korea. I'd rather have a worldwide following where most viewers are gamers than a isolated even where the sport is huge but only in a single country and niche everywhere else.

What are you talking about? Why would the death of BW help the foreign SC2 scene? It's the Korean scene we're talking about here, and whether a transition to SC2 is a good thing. I don't think it is, because I don't think the mainstream non-gamers will accept it, and not only because BW is a more exciting game, but also because the scene was created on BW. They can't just switch games all of a sudden after 10 years and expect ppl to still tune in and watch.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
October 31 2011 12:36 GMT
#2499
On October 31 2011 20:58 hitthat wrote:
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On October 31 2011 20:37 esotericc wrote:
Man you BW guys are really bitter about Sc2. Maybe I should come shit up the BW forum complaining about graphics and other short comings, fortunately I have more respect for another games community then that.


Are you bitter about "Angry Birds" or something? I guess you're not. Would you watch a VODs of that game? I guess you wouldnt. That's how I treat SC2. I dont care about that game and I will not follow it. I'm not even mad about SC2 right now, just care about BroodWar teams. If I will be forced to not watch BW vods, I will not watch SC2 Vods becouse it's no fun for me, and I still have CoH VODs wich are almoust as fun to watch as BW vods.
Deal with it. There are some guys who arent bitter towards SC2 becouse of BW, just dont care.
My thouth is like this: BW teams will switch to SC2?
FINE!!!
As long as it's not forced by Blizzard's threats, but sponsors or popularity of that game (wich is a case rigth now, so it's good). But it's not a reason to watch it for me.

So...you compare SC2 to a phone game like "Angry Birds" and you write a paragraph about how little you want to watch SC2 when you could have written 1 sentence.

You sound pretty bitter to me dude.

On October 31 2011 21:00 maybenexttime wrote:
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On October 31 2011 20:45 bRiz wrote:
I'd rather the elitists quit watching e-sports if BW ceases to be played as one. They claim to support BW and only BW by pointing out flaws in SC2 and comparing it bit by bit to brood war. I don't want these kinds of fans following SC2, so in the end, I guess it's better for them to go out fighting kicking and screaming, because that will be the end of it. Unless they continue to stink up the forums.

Note to all you cool BW/SC2 fans, it's downright disrespectful to shit up the board of another game you either don't play/follow just to justify your own game. Neither base should be doing it and both are doing it equally on team liquid.


It's sad that you're saying that. Imagine that if Marine vs. Baneling micro was not possible in SC2, BW fans would be the most vocal group of people advocating for it, while the vast majority of SC2 fans wouldn't really care because they're content with the game as it is and eventually swallow any bullshit blizzard feeds them. It's the BW fans that can't get over the fact Mutas are nearly microless, Colossi are fucking boring, most games end up in a giant ball vs. ball clash, LAN is not there, and so on. SC2 fans usually just accept the reality and play some more ladder games/watch some stream.


Yeah, and imagine if BW didnt have defilers or stim pack or protoss. SC2 fans would say how little variety BW has, but BW fans wouldnt really care because its impossible for them to see anything bad about BW with their heads so far up their asses.

/pointless hypothetical discussion

Seriously, why are you bringing up "what if" scenarios and why are you saying SC2 fans just swallow Blizzards bullshit? SC2 has Marine vs Baneling micro, I dont know why you even brought up an example where it doesnt have it. And how are Mutas microless? The fact that SC2 players have to continually force Mutas into a ball to get the same stacking effect as having a group a Mutas selected with a larva/overlord in BW should suggest more required micro for SC2 Mutas.

And we dont just accept the shit Blizzard flings at us. SC2 fans complain all the time. Theres so much QQ all over the place that its amazing Blizzard can sift through any of it to find useful feedback. Games dont "usually" end up in deathball vs deathball clashes anymore. You are so determined to believe that SC2 is a worse game in every way than BW that you just stick to old stereotypes about the game that were prevalent when the game was just released.

This is the problem I have with BW elitists. I know BW is a more difficult game. I know its a more polished game. But why the fuck do you guys have to come in here talking all that shit so often? Then when we bring up how petty you guys are being, you hide behind the old, "Well you guys come to our forums and insult us too." I think Ive seen 5 posts total with people dissing BW and theyve probably all been banned by now. Any time theres some BW/SC2 crossover thread, loads of BW elitists come over to try and shit on us. I was into BW way back in the day as well and I can see why you guys hold onto BW so much, but this is just getting fucking ridiculous.
Miefer
Profile Joined March 2011
Taiwan229 Posts
October 31 2011 12:38 GMT
#2500
@maybenexttime
because of some random people you are certain that the majority is like that? because of no lan I should not play this game? I play only online like the majority of the people. I wish it would have lan for the esport scene but what use will it do when we boycott tournements that are not to be blamed because its a ault by blizzard. if we boycott all tournenments blizzards wouldnt care. you can also blame old bw players like day9 or tastosis who dont complain on air on tournements when things dont work on gsl or mlg. even blizzcon tournements had lag issues and day9 or tastosis didnt mention lan. on every tournement stream i am watching there are always signs with wishes of lan support by he audience.
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