BW Teams playing Starcraft 2 - Page 123

On October 31 2011 17:10 ninini wrote:


That video just proves what a joke the SC2 graphics and pathing is. Big blobs of stuff shooting at eachother. What you guys also have to remember is that you can't compare BW in 2002 with SC2 today. SC2 today is dominated mostly by players with a lot of experience. MVP and MC trained BW for years on most of their free time. Their overall RTS skills are much better than Boxer's was in 2002, and they probably have double the APM, if not more. The top SC2 players today are really good and there's really not much Flash will be able to add. Whatever Flash did, Nada had already done a few years prior. The only thing Flash brought to the table was strategies, his ability to read games and adept and his flawless macro. If Flash switches, you might be able to see some creative strategies, or brilliant comebacks, but that's it. You will not see him change the standards on micro. Nada could match Flash easily on micro in BW, and what have he done for SC2 micro?

This is Nada's marine micro in BW. That group of mnm did around 10 times more damage than they was worth.

In similar situations, I have personally lost around 30 mnm to half of that amount of lurkers. The BW engagements are intense and requires your immediate attention so that you're not caught off guard. SC2 will never be able to offer that, and on top of that, SC2 will always be plagued by the blobby graphics.

The ppl who are saying it's a natural progression to go from BW to SC2 clearly have no clue what you're talking about since you can't see that there's a huge difference between the games.

The reason why we are angry is because we feel that SC2 is a downgrade. Tell us why our players should switch to a game that is worse? Also tell us why we should watch said game instead? Everybody would have questioned KESPA's sanity if they had transitioned into WC3 a few years ago, so how come BW -> SC2 is taken for granted? Blizzard games are not like Tekken, where there are little to no difference between each new version of the game. If a transition to SC2 is to take place, wouldn't you first have to ask yourself if SC2 actually is a better game? This is a question that the ppl who switched to SC2 never asked themselves. They just hyped it up blindly and assumed that the game would follow the same path as BW.

What happened with BW in Korea was a miracle and it would require a really awesome game if we are to ever see such a great scene again. The fact that KESPA seems open to just disband this scene in favor of SC2, who's future is very uncertain, is quite saddening. BW won't last forever, but I highly doubt that the korean viewers will accept SC2. As ppl have said, the SC2 scene is niched towards gamers. What will happen when the next big RTS is released? I remember WC3 was huge a few years ago, atleast among gamers. Now the game is pretty much dead. But more importantly, the mainstream non gamers in Korea couldn't care less about SC2. BW have transcended to another level. In Korea it's mainstream, a sport. I remember reading a recent interview with the young Samsung KHAN progamer Reality, where he said that the high school he attended was very understanding of his BW career, and that they let him follow a more personalized scheduling plan in school, so that he could more easily focus on both gaming and school. That's how mainstream BW is in Korea. Even grown up parents watch BW with their kids, and teenage girls follow the scene and their players as if they were K-pop stars. I don't think most SC2 fans really understand how huge BW is in Korea, and how many different groups of ppl that SC2 would have to appeal to for a transition to work.

On October 31 2011 17:17 dgwow wrote:


SC2's future is not uncertain, are you kidding me? There is a HUGE fanbase around the world and the koreans know they have the best players and can make cash from a much wider (global) fanbase.. And i doubt BW is going to die very soon, at least not within the year.

On October 31 2011 18:00 ReachTheSky wrote:
I'm hoping that if there is a switch, the communities won't divide.

On October 31 2011 18:00 ReachTheSky wrote:
I'm hoping that if there is a switch, the communities won't divide.

On October 31 2011 17:20 esotericc wrote:
This isn't your personal bash BW thread. Sc2 does not have an uncertain future, the game is constantly growing, already has a giant fan base and is picking up steam.

I personally think Sc2 is a better game than BW but I don't go around shitting all over your game. The sad part is if someone made this post about BW they would be banned. I don't come into the BW forums and bash BW so keep this crap out of the sc2 forums.

On October 31 2011 18:21 Zerksys wrote:

Sir... look around you. It already has. I wish we'd all stop fighting over this. Out of curiosity, (I really hope I'm not opening a pandora's box with this question) for those of you who think sc2 is a better game than BW, what aspects of the game make it better in your eyes. Please do not turn this into a let's flame bw or let's flame sc2 war in your response. Think before you post: will my post make anyone angry? If it even has a slight chance of making anyone angry then reword your post. The vast majority of responses of why sc2 is better has dealt with graphics and the improved ai. What elements of the actual gameplay do you enjoy watching?