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On October 27 2011 13:40 latan wrote:
those new units seem like support units as well, so it's the same thing as in bw, stop the whinning until you actually see the finished product in action, it's not like you can do anything about it either.
Do you even read what you type before you say it? What a stupid thing to say, by the time it reaches 'finished products' it is too late and you are stuck with it till next expansion, now is the best time to voice an opinion if people are unhappy. If you get sick of the whining just don't read the threads?
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On October 27 2011 13:42 VPVash wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:38 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:32 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:29 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:20 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right? And MLG, excluding HuKs win... But if you think Terrans dont win MLG then you have an awfully short memory. No I understand terrans win MLG but it's the best terrans in the world that have won lol....not a good argument so you must have a derp memory if I'm not mistakin You make no sense, you say that you discount Terran wins at MLG because they are the 'best Terrans in the worlds' does that mean we discount all of HuK's victories (and face it most big tournent toss wins are from him) just because they are won by (arguably) the best Protoss in the world? Why would having the best players win tournaments discredit their achievement? Sorry buddy you can't just make arbitrary, hypocritical excuses just to suit try and suit your argument lol. But nice 'derp' logic though. All of huks victories are from facing a protoss or a zerg....if MMA, MVP, and or Bomber show up at any tournament 1 of them is winning mostly because there miles ahead of anybody in all match ups. It's commen sense buddy. But all toss players do is look at GSL and scream "omg why can't we win a GSL omg...terran imba imba imba" It's a never ending cycle that will exist forever. Nothing I'm saying is hypocritical...just true. Your comments are just through anger that I'm right and you sir...are wrong. Someday you will grasp it but today is not that day
But the problem with your argument is that most people will say is that most terrans are just better. Its hard to believe that GSL is mainly terrans because they are just better than the other players. There comes a point that this can't necessarily be true in its entirety.
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On October 27 2011 13:43 firehand101 wrote:
SC2 is heading in its own unique direction, i think its great where its going, the more people buying it because of cool units, the better
Yeah I think SC2 is fine, every video game ever has gone through this. I come from playing halo CE and 2, probably the best FPS games I've ever played and the games have gone in a different direction which I don't enjoy as much. Same is going to happen here...many brood war players will quit playing sc2/hots but we will gain more new people then old players. Everything will be good and this game will be great someday
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On October 27 2011 13:42 VPVash wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:38 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:32 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:29 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:20 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right? And MLG, excluding HuKs win... But if you think Terrans dont win MLG then you have an awfully short memory. No I understand terrans win MLG but it's the best terrans in the world that have won lol....not a good argument so you must have a derp memory if I'm not mistakin You make no sense, you say that you discount Terran wins at MLG because they are the 'best Terrans in the worlds' does that mean we discount all of HuK's victories (and face it most big tournent toss wins are from him) just because they are won by (arguably) the best Protoss in the world? Why would having the best players win tournaments discredit their achievement? Sorry buddy you can't just make arbitrary, hypocritical excuses just to suit try and suit your argument lol. But nice 'derp' logic though. All of huks victories are from facing a protoss or a zerg....if MMA, MVP, and or Bomber show up at any tournament 1 of them is winning mostly because there miles ahead of anybody in all match ups. It's commen sense buddy. But all toss players do is look at GSL and scream "omg why can't we win a GSL omg...terran imba imba imba" It's a never ending cycle that will exist forever. Nothing I'm saying is hypocritical...just true. Your comments are just through anger that I'm right and you sir...are wrong. Someday you will grasp it but today is not that day
So what you are saying is HuK can only win against Zerg or Protoss, and if he vs a Terran he will lose...are you trying to imply Terran is OP or are you just not very good at expressing yourself? I guess it's just coincidence that all the 'best' players happen to play Terran right? I don't even see where you are trying to go with this.
But ok you keep making up stupid excuses to try justified your flawed 'logic', if it helps you sleep at night then I won't take it away from you.
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On October 27 2011 13:44 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:42 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:38 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:32 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:29 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:20 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right? And MLG, excluding HuKs win... But if you think Terrans dont win MLG then you have an awfully short memory. No I understand terrans win MLG but it's the best terrans in the world that have won lol....not a good argument so you must have a derp memory if I'm not mistakin You make no sense, you say that you discount Terran wins at MLG because they are the 'best Terrans in the worlds' does that mean we discount all of HuK's victories (and face it most big tournent toss wins are from him) just because they are won by (arguably) the best Protoss in the world? Why would having the best players win tournaments discredit their achievement? Sorry buddy you can't just make arbitrary, hypocritical excuses just to suit try and suit your argument lol. But nice 'derp' logic though. All of huks victories are from facing a protoss or a zerg....if MMA, MVP, and or Bomber show up at any tournament 1 of them is winning mostly because there miles ahead of anybody in all match ups. It's commen sense buddy. But all toss players do is look at GSL and scream "omg why can't we win a GSL omg...terran imba imba imba" It's a never ending cycle that will exist forever. Nothing I'm saying is hypocritical...just true. Your comments are just through anger that I'm right and you sir...are wrong. Someday you will grasp it but today is not that day But the problem with your argument is that most people will say is that most terrans are just better. Its hard to believe that GSL is mainly terrans because they are just better than the other players. There comes a point that this can't necessarily be true in its entirety.
Yeah but everyone judges balance from GSL...I don't like that. I mean Koreans are really good but I think Protoss koreans are even worse then foriegner protoss. Like Naniwa should've beaten nestea which nestea really doesn't lose to anyone other then MvP. Korean protoss players have been using 2 base timings forever and when that started failing it's just been down hill. I feel like eventually protoss players will develope alot more and start owning. I really don't think ghosts are a big problem...I feel like the warp prism harass against terran would be so good. but toss rarely use it. Imagine getting DT's in your main or 4th/5th while engaging in the middle of the map on Tal Darim or something...that base is dead if its not a planetary or turrets are there.
I'm not an expert but I just feel like protoss still have tons to learn and it's way too early to call terran imba.
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On October 27 2011 13:49 Ryder. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:42 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:38 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:32 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:29 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:20 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right? And MLG, excluding HuKs win... But if you think Terrans dont win MLG then you have an awfully short memory. No I understand terrans win MLG but it's the best terrans in the world that have won lol....not a good argument so you must have a derp memory if I'm not mistakin You make no sense, you say that you discount Terran wins at MLG because they are the 'best Terrans in the worlds' does that mean we discount all of HuK's victories (and face it most big tournent toss wins are from him) just because they are won by (arguably) the best Protoss in the world? Why would having the best players win tournaments discredit their achievement? Sorry buddy you can't just make arbitrary, hypocritical excuses just to suit try and suit your argument lol. But nice 'derp' logic though. All of huks victories are from facing a protoss or a zerg....if MMA, MVP, and or Bomber show up at any tournament 1 of them is winning mostly because there miles ahead of anybody in all match ups. It's commen sense buddy. But all toss players do is look at GSL and scream "omg why can't we win a GSL omg...terran imba imba imba" It's a never ending cycle that will exist forever. Nothing I'm saying is hypocritical...just true. Your comments are just through anger that I'm right and you sir...are wrong. Someday you will grasp it but today is not that day So what you are saying is HuK can only win against Zerg or Protoss, and if he vs a Terran he will lose...are you trying to imply Terran is OP or are you just not very good at expressing yourself? I guess it's just coincidence that all the 'best' players happen to play Terran right? I don't even see where you are trying to go with this. But ok you keep making up stupid excuses to try justified your flawed 'logic', if it helps you sleep at night then I won't take it away from you.
Settle down troll....hopefully you get banned you moron. Terrans get destroyed in every freaking event other then GSL. Your just a sad gold protoss player that's pissed that you're in gold. It's hokay buddy!
My point is look at the brackets at MLG...tell me how terran players do other then koreans. GO TELL ME BRO...TELL ME. Terran isn't OP...just more developed. Naniwa said it today that he's sick of hearing toss players crying Imba. The games a year old and terran hasn't even dominated anything lol. Just stop talking with your "Flawed logic" I hope this post helps you sleep at night bro...
Also, HuK destroyed every terran he played at MLG....and so did other toss players. Just check the brackets. all I'm saying.
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uh broodwar was a game full of hard counter units rofl.
i actually like it better than all these starcraft 2 units that soft counters everything. made the game balance.
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my god, so much arguing. the OP -title- doesn't help all that much with bringing out the best discussion either
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On October 27 2011 14:04 nanaoei wrote:
my god, so much arguing. the OP -title- doesn't help all that much with bringing out the best discussion either
That's why these threads shouldn't exists. I post in them because how frustrated I get reading most of this garbage
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On October 27 2011 13:56 VPVash wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:49 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:42 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:38 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:32 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:29 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:20 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right? And MLG, excluding HuKs win... But if you think Terrans dont win MLG then you have an awfully short memory. No I understand terrans win MLG but it's the best terrans in the world that have won lol....not a good argument so you must have a derp memory if I'm not mistakin You make no sense, you say that you discount Terran wins at MLG because they are the 'best Terrans in the worlds' does that mean we discount all of HuK's victories (and face it most big tournent toss wins are from him) just because they are won by (arguably) the best Protoss in the world? Why would having the best players win tournaments discredit their achievement? Sorry buddy you can't just make arbitrary, hypocritical excuses just to suit try and suit your argument lol. But nice 'derp' logic though. All of huks victories are from facing a protoss or a zerg....if MMA, MVP, and or Bomber show up at any tournament 1 of them is winning mostly because there miles ahead of anybody in all match ups. It's commen sense buddy. But all toss players do is look at GSL and scream "omg why can't we win a GSL omg...terran imba imba imba" It's a never ending cycle that will exist forever. Nothing I'm saying is hypocritical...just true. Your comments are just through anger that I'm right and you sir...are wrong. Someday you will grasp it but today is not that day So what you are saying is HuK can only win against Zerg or Protoss, and if he vs a Terran he will lose...are you trying to imply Terran is OP or are you just not very good at expressing yourself? I guess it's just coincidence that all the 'best' players happen to play Terran right? I don't even see where you are trying to go with this. But ok you keep making up stupid excuses to try justified your flawed 'logic', if it helps you sleep at night then I won't take it away from you. Settle down troll....hopefully you get banned you moron. Terrans get destroyed in every freaking event other then GSL. Your just a sad gold protoss player that's pissed that you're in gold. It's hokay buddy! My point is look at the brackets at MLG...tell me how terran players do other then koreans. GO TELL ME BRO...TELL ME. Terran isn't OP...just more developed. Naniwa said it today that he's sick of hearing toss players crying Imba. The games a year old and terran hasn't even dominated anything lol. Just stop talking with your "Flawed logic" I hope this post helps you sleep at night bro... Also, HuK destroyed every terran he played at MLG....and so did other toss players. Just check the brackets. all I'm saying.
Lol you know that your arguement has run its course when you resort to 'personal' insults (I say personal in quote marks because they aren't actually true) instead of trying to have a logical discussion. Then again nothing you have said as of yet has been logical so I'm not surprised.
FYI, people reference GSL as an example of balance because at lower levels, games are won or lost by exploiting the weaker player's skill. As skill level increases and players make less and less mistakes, there is a greater chance that any non-equal win rates are due to balance as opposed to skill (as players's skills have much less variance). Its still not an ideal way of measuring balance but it's better than looking at statistics of inferior players...
But ok I'm sure you know better than Korean protosses about the Protoss meta game , they clearly do 2 base allins because they don't actually want to win, so perhaps you could send them a few emails telling them the reason they lose is because they refuse to innovate, and give them a few helpful pointers.
Edit: also just before you said HuK only played vs Protoss or Zerg, now you are saying he stomped all the Terrans he played? Which one is it?
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On October 27 2011 14:09 Ryder. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:56 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:49 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:42 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:38 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:32 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:29 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:20 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right? And MLG, excluding HuKs win... But if you think Terrans dont win MLG then you have an awfully short memory. No I understand terrans win MLG but it's the best terrans in the world that have won lol....not a good argument so you must have a derp memory if I'm not mistakin You make no sense, you say that you discount Terran wins at MLG because they are the 'best Terrans in the worlds' does that mean we discount all of HuK's victories (and face it most big tournent toss wins are from him) just because they are won by (arguably) the best Protoss in the world? Why would having the best players win tournaments discredit their achievement? Sorry buddy you can't just make arbitrary, hypocritical excuses just to suit try and suit your argument lol. But nice 'derp' logic though. All of huks victories are from facing a protoss or a zerg....if MMA, MVP, and or Bomber show up at any tournament 1 of them is winning mostly because there miles ahead of anybody in all match ups. It's commen sense buddy. But all toss players do is look at GSL and scream "omg why can't we win a GSL omg...terran imba imba imba" It's a never ending cycle that will exist forever. Nothing I'm saying is hypocritical...just true. Your comments are just through anger that I'm right and you sir...are wrong. Someday you will grasp it but today is not that day So what you are saying is HuK can only win against Zerg or Protoss, and if he vs a Terran he will lose...are you trying to imply Terran is OP or are you just not very good at expressing yourself? I guess it's just coincidence that all the 'best' players happen to play Terran right? I don't even see where you are trying to go with this. But ok you keep making up stupid excuses to try justified your flawed 'logic', if it helps you sleep at night then I won't take it away from you. Settle down troll....hopefully you get banned you moron. Terrans get destroyed in every freaking event other then GSL. Your just a sad gold protoss player that's pissed that you're in gold. It's hokay buddy! My point is look at the brackets at MLG...tell me how terran players do other then koreans. GO TELL ME BRO...TELL ME. Terran isn't OP...just more developed. Naniwa said it today that he's sick of hearing toss players crying Imba. The games a year old and terran hasn't even dominated anything lol. Just stop talking with your "Flawed logic" I hope this post helps you sleep at night bro... Also, HuK destroyed every terran he played at MLG....and so did other toss players. Just check the brackets. all I'm saying. Lol you know that your arguement has run its course when you resort to 'personal' insults (I say personal in quote marks because they aren't actually true) instead of trying to have a logical discussion. Then again nothing you have said as of yet has been logical so I'm not surprised. FYI, people reference GSL as an example of balance because at lower levels, games are won or lost by exploiting the weaker player's skill. As skill level increases and players make less and less mistakes, there is a greater chance that any non-equal win rates are due to balance as opposed to skill (as players's skills have much less variance). Its still not an ideal way of measuring balance but it's better than looking at statistics of inferior players... But ok I'm sure you know better than Korean protosses about the Protoss meta game , they clearly do 2 base allins because they don't actually want to win, so perhaps you could send them a few emails telling them the reason they lose is because they refuse to innovate, and give them a few helpful pointers.
Just stop man, you're in denial. You started the BM so take it easy bro...just relax and watch the QQ
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you get frustrated, sure, sometimes understandable, and sometimes you're doing some good by putting someone in their place... but i'm sure you know better than to have that feeling of wanting to call practically everyone out. lots of stupid and uneducated comments, and even uneducated gamers around, but it really is like stooping to a lower level by wanting to hammar things into another person.
now on the topic,
i'm near 100% sure that some people might remember this OP in some way.
the bottom line is that you'll be able to come back to this post you made, after 5 or so years of sc2 lifetime, and realize that it was all a bit ridiculous. i don't mean to offend you, but it's like this for so many things.
here are some simple ideas,
watch things pan out. perservere instead of worrying and learning to hate certain parts of the game.
LOVE the things you have the privelage of having, and seriously trust the developers.
they somehow came across and made a refined game as starcraft 1 after years of work. their other games are great too.... as much as i've seen, i've never seen an entire team as devoted to the balancing of their game. i can't stress it all enough.
starcraft1 bonjwas can -fall-, their races can run into very mysterious problems as styles change.
back in 2006 when the game felt fairly figured out, there were many people who struggled to find a way to win, but they did it anyway!! ~ o ~;;
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From what I read in the last few posts, it seems that people are straying from the topic. This thread is not for balance/imbalance whining. We are talking about the "idea" of playing Starcraft (as opposed to the "idea" of playing a MMO or a FPS). FPS's are all about reacting quickly and being aware of your surroundings. MMO's are about leveling up and microing your champion (or wtv you call that crap). Likewise, SC is about strategy and mechanics (please don't make the noobish mistake of thinking that mechanics is simply knowing how to press buttons quickly). If you look back at BW, battles revolved around the understanding of how the AI of different units worked, hence all the intense micro battles. That is mechanics
On October 27 2011 13:46 VPVash wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:43 firehand101 wrote:
SC2 is heading in its own unique direction, i think its great where its going, the more people buying it because of cool units, the better Yeah I think SC2 is fine, every video game ever has gone through this. I come from playing halo CE and 2, probably the best FPS games I've ever played and the games have gone in a different direction which I don't enjoy as much. Same is going to happen here...many brood war players will quit playing sc2/hots but we will gain more new people then old players. Everything will be good and this game will be great someday
TT1 wasn't saying HotS won't be a great game someday. He was just pointing out that SC2 is becoming more and more like WoW and LoL where people win games by simply knowing how to cast spells correctly. He does make a great point and it is kind of a shame that SC2 is becoming more and more "user-friendly" (i.e. 1-a your ginormous ball of death and then cast spells is becoming all too common whereas individually micro-ing chunks of your army is fading away), which is not exactly what SC2 is about. Yes people will buy the game only for the campaign, maybe even one or two silver-gold league games a month, but eventually, if you want to keep playing SC on a regular basis, YOU WILL have to practice and IT WILL be hard (at least for the remainder of WoL it will).
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SC2 is a different game. It can be its own thing. Stop living in the past.
it can be its own style of game.
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ok, it's like this people.
Do you want to see a game which is practically HON/DOTA/LOL but en masse?
Or, do you want SC2 to stay more Brood War esque? In this I mean more melee type micro, yes with some abilities of course.
SC2 going in the direction of more of a HON en masse esque type game. That's my opinion anyway.
People keep complaining about others comparing Broodwar to SC2, Yes, of course we don't expect the exact same game, but the fundamentals should still be there plus at least trying to keep in the confines of what made SC1 such an amazing game (referring to the micro intesity of BW). Introducing all of these caster type units IS NOT achieving that.
As far as I'm concerned, if Blizzard wants take SC2 down this path... Don't F*C^ING call it STARCRAFT 2 ANYMORE.
Maybe by miracle, all these units from HoTS maybe introduced at a balanced level and could be viable. But going from SC1 to SC2, it's going to be like "WTF is this game!?!?!?!" I was expecting Starcraft, not WOWcraft.
The only people I can see currently supporting Blizzard in regards to the direction of the game is Zerg.... and honestly.... can you blame them? I wouldn't be complaining either if I could be the race that masses up the quickest whilst having pretty much every ability under the sun to utilise.
As far as the toss race goes, I have no sympathy for you. How about trying something else instead of tunnel visioning your way to a deathball? Just because Koreans only pretty much do 2 base timings since forever. It dosen't mean that it is the only way to play the Toss race! Yes maybe Blizzard has screwed up the race design, but I'm SURE there are other ways to play out this race.
The only race so far that has stayed more true to itself more than others so far is Terran IMO.
Yes, I do main as Terran.... if I was forced to play zerg or toss, I just wouldn't still be playing SC2.
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On October 27 2011 14:24 InvXXVII wrote:
TT1 wasn't saying HotS won't be a great game someday. He was just pointing out that SC2 is becoming more and more like WoW and LoL where people win games by simply knowing how to cast spells correctly. He does make a great point and it is kind of a shame that SC2 is becoming more and more "user-friendly" (i.e. 1-a your ginormous ball of death and then cast spells is becoming all too common whereas individually micro-ing chunks of your army is fading away), which is not exactly what SC2 is about. Yes people will buy the game only for the campaign, maybe even one or two silver-gold league games a month, but eventually, if you want to keep playing SC2 on a regular basis, YOU WILL have to practice and IT WILL be hard.
Thats what the bad players will do.
The good players will do that plus drop you main, maintain solid production cycles, expand, and micro their girnormous ball of death to give it the best possible chance of winning the battle. What will make the gam exciting is when the opponent is doing these things too.
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On October 27 2011 14:29 ZorBa.G wrote:
ok, it's like this people.
Do you want to see a game which is practically HON/DOTA/LOL but en masse?
Or, do you want SC2 to stay more Brood War esque? In this I mean more melee type micro, yes with some abilities of course.
SC2 going in the direction of more of a HON en masse esque type game. That's my opinion anyway.
People keep complaining about others comparing Broodwar to SC2, Yes, of course we don't expect the exact same game, but the fundamentals should still be there plus at least trying to keep in the confines of what made SC1 such an amazing game (referring to the micro intesity of BW). Introducing all of these caster type units IS NOT achieving that.
As far as I'm concerned, if Blizzard wants take SC2 down this path... Don't F*C^ING call it STARCRAFT 2 ANYMORE.
Maybe by miracle, all these units from HoTS maybe introduced at a balanced level and could be viable. But going from SC1 to SC2, it's going to be like "WTF is this game!?!?!?!" I was expecting Starcraft, not WOWcraft.
The only people I can see currently supporting Blizzard in regards to the direction of the game is Zerg.... and honestly.... can you blame them? I wouldn't be complaining either if I could be the race that masses up the quickest whilst having pretty much every ability under the sun to utilise.
As far as the toss race goes, I have no sympathy for you. How about trying something else instead of tunnel visioning your way to a deathball? Just because Koreans only pretty much do 2 base timings since forever. It dosen't mean that it is the only way to play the Toss race! Yes maybe Blizzard has screwed up the race design, but I'm SURE there are other ways to play out this race.
The only race so far that has stayed more true to itself more than others so far is Terran IMO.
Yes, I do main as Terran.... if I was forced to play zerg or toss, I just wouldn't still be playing SC2. I love you so much...someone who gets it.
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I thought the primary aim of the new units was to get away from the big balls of death. They specifically said that they don't want to make new units that'll end up in the ball. The Oracle and Shredder in particular. You could argue that the Vyper severely really punishes the a-move a ball of death mentality and most of the other units seem to promote alternate strategies.
I'm really looking forward to the options the new units will bring and I seriously hope that Blizz doesn't nerf all the interesting bits out before release (e.g. the roach)
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On October 27 2011 14:29 ZorBa.G wrote:
ok, it's like this people.
Do you want to see a game which is practically HON/DOTA/LOL but en masse?
Or, do you want SC2 to stay more Brood War esque? In this I mean more melee type micro, yes with some abilities of course.
SC2 going in the direction of more of a HON en masse esque type game. That's my opinion anyway.
People keep complaining about others comparing Broodwar to SC2, Yes, of course we don't expect the exact same game, but the fundamentals should still be there plus at least trying to keep in the confines of what made SC1 such an amazing game (referring to the micro intesity of BW). Introducing all of these caster type units IS NOT achieving that.
As far as I'm concerned, if Blizzard wants take SC2 down this path... Don't F*C^ING call it STARCRAFT 2 ANYMORE.
Maybe by miracle, all these units from HoTS maybe introduced at a balanced level and could be viable. But going from SC1 to SC2, it's going to be like "WTF is this game!?!?!?!" I was expecting Starcraft, not WOWcraft.
The only people I can see currently supporting Blizzard in regards to the direction of the game is Zerg.... and honestly.... can you blame them? I wouldn't be complaining either if I could be the race that masses up the quickest whilst having pretty much every ability under the sun to utilise.
As far as the toss race goes, I have no sympathy for you. How about trying something else instead of tunnel visioning your way to a deathball? Just because Koreans only pretty much do 2 base timings since forever. It dosen't mean that it is the only way to play the Toss race! Yes maybe Blizzard has screwed up the race design, but I'm SURE there are other ways to play out this race.
The only race so far that has stayed more true to itself more than others so far is Terran IMO.
Yes, I do main as Terran.... if I was forced to play zerg or toss, I just wouldn't still be playing SC2.
So to get this straight you basically want SC2 to stay the same because you play Terran and you enjoy having the only complete, finished race?
I can't believe you just accused Z of having every ability under the sun. Did you see the interview with Dustin where he was asked where the gaps in Terran were? And he couldn't think of any? Because there aren't any?
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think about what differentiates that good player from a great player; i'm keeping my mind's eye on the baneling OV drops. there are easier ways of trying to acheive the same result in a fight within the game. the player who uses these 'easy' methods, leans towards relying on them.
i seriously, seriously want you to consider all the possibilities in a micro encounter in SC2.
the game is faster than BW was--- units can move in unison, you can queue move more than once, and you can have dynamic queue commands at the very same time. have you watched an insane AI in first person perspective (with its 1000apm) or the micro AI for BW that people have made?---you will have noticed how intricate and melodic everything -can- be.
so many people aim to be that perfect player with perfect control, and many other people are satisfied with how their play already is, and decide to blame the game on a lack of a certain feeling.
when you are moving all of your pieces at once, at exactly the pace you'd like and towards the positions you've imagined, you can then start to claim that you're on your way to exploring the rest of the game.
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