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On October 27 2011 12:47 sandyph wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 12:32 Zombo Joe wrote:On October 27 2011 12:11 BentoBox wrote:On October 27 2011 11:58 Supamang wrote:On October 27 2011 11:55 BentoBox wrote:
LAN is absolutely irrelevant to game design balance and community input regarding that aspect of the game. They were pretty adamant about their position from day1; I don't see how that translates to shutting themselves off completely. Thats exactly my point. Design and balance require hands-on exposure to actually form a rational opinion based on evidence. LAN option does not, and yet they dont listen to us at all when it comes to that. If they dont listen to us on a completely isolated issue that seems to have no opposers, what makes you think theyll listen to people whining about things they havent even gotten to play yet? They've justified many times why LAN wasn't doable based on Bnet2.0's infrastructure. They've very explicitely asked for community input on all the new units at Blizzcon. What more do you want... Lan works in the chinese cracked version of the game, why wouldn't it work anywhere else? there's your answer right there
The problem is that pretty much everything relating to a game is stored server side, so for them to get "LAN" to work, basically they have to emulate the server, and all of it's code.
They could easily set up an internet-independent battle.net host for larger tournaments to use, they'd bring out a big server rig and have it act as the battle.net servers, except instead of having to connect to battle.net via the internet, it would all be over a local network.
That is what I expect blizzard to do for MLGs, GSL's, IPLs, and other tournaments that can afford it and benefit blizzard by running smoothly.
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On October 27 2011 12:52 CatNzHat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 12:47 sandyph wrote:On October 27 2011 12:32 Zombo Joe wrote:On October 27 2011 12:11 BentoBox wrote:On October 27 2011 11:58 Supamang wrote:On October 27 2011 11:55 BentoBox wrote:
LAN is absolutely irrelevant to game design balance and community input regarding that aspect of the game. They were pretty adamant about their position from day1; I don't see how that translates to shutting themselves off completely. Thats exactly my point. Design and balance require hands-on exposure to actually form a rational opinion based on evidence. LAN option does not, and yet they dont listen to us at all when it comes to that. If they dont listen to us on a completely isolated issue that seems to have no opposers, what makes you think theyll listen to people whining about things they havent even gotten to play yet? They've justified many times why LAN wasn't doable based on Bnet2.0's infrastructure. They've very explicitely asked for community input on all the new units at Blizzcon. What more do you want... Lan works in the chinese cracked version of the game, why wouldn't it work anywhere else? there's your answer right there The problem is that pretty much everything relating to a game is stored server side, so for them to get "LAN" to work, basically they have to emulate the server, and all of it's code. They could easily set up an internet-independent battle.net host for larger tournaments to use, they'd bring out a big server rig and have it act as the battle.net servers, except instead of having to connect to battle.net via the internet, it would all be over a local network. That is what I expect blizzard to do for MLGs, GSL's, IPLs, and other tournaments that can afford it and benefit blizzard by running smoothly.
They did it for WoW.
On another note, I'd like to see if the new maps they teased have enough room behind the minerals for shredders to sit and zone out mutas(the area normally reserved for depots).
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On October 27 2011 12:14 McPhiz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 11:58 rotegirte wrote:On October 27 2011 11:34 McPhiz wrote:On October 27 2011 11:15 rotegirte wrote:On October 27 2011 11:09 McPhiz wrote:On October 26 2011 12:36 Silidons wrote:On October 26 2011 12:03 McPhiz wrote:On October 26 2011 11:52 Jayrod wrote:On October 26 2011 11:49 -orb- wrote:
My number one pet peeve with people responding to threads and arguments like this are people that say wait until the game is out to see.
Yes, it's hard to judge before we can play the game, but that's what everyone said about the biggest problems people had with stuff in WoL. Then all the things some people complained about (but others said wait until the game is out) were too ingrained in the balance and design of the game to be removed at that stage. We have to weed out this terrible bullshit before it gets to beta stage or it will usually be too late.
So please, those of you that snap-respond to every argument about the new units with "wait until you can actually play it to see," think about what you're saying. If no one considered the implications of new units and instead just sat around waiting for beta to come out, we'd end up with a terrible game (as we can see based on the decisions blizzard makes when not guided by the community) Bumping this because of the 5 idiots that posted his pet-peeve afterwards TT1 is the idiot if he thinks the replicator is only to beat one build. The sc2 community has to get their thinking caps on and try to understand the uses of the unit, it wouldn't even be that good against a 1-1-1 would it? I'm only posting what i did because it seems like people don't have the ability to understand what uses all of these units have. Try to understand and actually think about if before you talk about how bad any unit is. Yea this guy really called TT1 an idiot On October 02 2011 16:52 McPhiz wrote:
well im still bronze and i've played all three races and i almost never lose with P or Z, T seems to be the hardest for me! Just for reference. Please don't call pros idiots. Lol you are creepy man. I wasn't even talking about him being an idiot about the game, he is obviously way more knowledgable about that, I don't have time to play as much as him. I'm just saying he is being an idiot in general. But you were criticizing his abilities about the game? ummmm. read the quote maybe? I said he is an idiot for thinking the replicator is only for one build. That's the only criticism i gave to TT1, nothing about him being shitty at the game. Look, it's quite unnerving to explain your own post to you. Generally speaking, pro players tend to have a better understanding in which things work and which don't. "Potentially" everything can be used for anything. So might it have slipped your mind that when TT1 was writing about the replicator, he would have been thinking about the viable uses and timings of the replicator, he would have gone through a variety of possibilities. Assuming he likely did make use of his professional experience, he came to said conclusion. Now you were calling him an idiot for doing exactly that. Okay well i'm done replying to these silly posts. But do you honestly think that he really put the time and effort into thinking of every way the replicator could possibly be used? No he acted irrationally because he was trying to prove a point. With some work the replicator might find it's way into the game and have some viable timings that it may exploit. But oh no TT1 said it's only for one thing which it wouldn't even be that great at during the pre-alpha phase, so let's all just listen to a second tier pro player and ignore every other fact we are presented with.
Name the facts. I'm listening. Or do you justify everything with "but we don't know every possible use"? Look, it's not so much about you disagreeing with him. But providing no meaningful counterargument to begin with and from going through your couple of posts here all you did was calling someone an idiot.
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idk, it kinda reminds me of Mind Control from Dark Archons in BW... I don't see how it goes against the ideal gameplay of SC2.
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What was exactly wrong with buffing the Carrier and giving the oracle stasis and recall? The Replicant is basically an over the top mind control. Just give us the dark archon. I don't know I agree with what he's saying. Protoss stopped being manly when warpgates were introduced. Now we're losing a really cool Capital ship for a generic one.
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I agree TT1 HOTS is going to be really shitty for P and I hope it doesnt affect my experiences as a fan and player. T and Z both got actual attacking units were P gets a late game Muta defence unit.
And removing the uber unit that failed for P and giving one to T is really cool too... funny thing is T will get to use it.
And to create a unit to counter a strat is retarded, i really hope gat/colo is still good against all these new units which I doubt with the new anti mech and neo-dark swarm.
Overall really disappointed about Blizzards choices for P in HotS, I guess we will see what happens in beta . . . ..
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I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that
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On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that
You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right?
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On October 27 2011 13:20 VPVash wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right?
Well I meant that there is just a lot of stupid P hate like your lesser if your T of P and Z is better people like Mr. bitters fault
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TT1, Excellent post! Makes so much sense. Agreed 100%
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On October 27 2011 13:26 Carkis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:20 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right? Well I meant that there is just a lot of stupid P hate like your lesser if your T of P and Z is better people like Mr. bitters fault
I just hate anything that deals with units/balance...I don't even know why I read most of this crap....it's kind of sad. I like TT1's opinion though., other than the fact everyones calling protoss under powered already lol
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On October 27 2011 13:10 hp.Shell wrote:
idk, it kinda reminds me of Mind Control from Dark Archons in BW... I don't see how it goes against the ideal gameplay of SC2.
Yeah, but mind control has a large risk/reward ratio (you have to get the unit out of there somehow). The replicator is too riskless; it'll have to get some sort of range I think.
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On October 27 2011 13:20 VPVash wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right?
And MLG, excluding HuKs win... But if you think Terrans dont win MLG then you have an awfully short memory.
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soemtimes i just wish the sc1 can be implented into sc2
blizzard is not the same blizzard any more, and sc2's designers are totally ---
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On October 27 2011 13:29 Ryder. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:20 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right? And MLG, excluding HuKs win... But if you think Terrans dont win MLG then you have an awfully short memory.
No I understand terrans win MLG but it's the best terrans in the world that have won lol....not a good argument so you must have a derp memory if I'm not mistakin
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On October 27 2011 13:26 Carkis wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:20 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right? Well I meant that there is just a lot of stupid P hate like your lesser if your T of P and Z is better people like Mr. bitters fault
Oh please!
It's hardly Mr Bitter's fault that the online community tends to be biased in favour of Zerg, and Zerg players.
The community was biased long before Ben ever became a popular streamer and tournament caster.
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On October 27 2011 13:32 VPVash wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:29 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:20 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right? And MLG, excluding HuKs win... But if you think Terrans dont win MLG then you have an awfully short memory. No I understand terrans win MLG but it's the best terrans in the world that have won lol....not a good argument so you must have a derp memory if I'm not mistakin
You make no sense, you say that you discount Terran wins at MLG because they are the 'best Terrans in the worlds' does that mean we discount all of HuK's victories (and face it most big tournent toss wins are from him) just because they are won by (arguably) the best Protoss in the world? Why would having the best players win tournaments discredit their achievement? The best players SHOULD win tournaments lol.
Sorry buddy you can't just make arbitrary, hypocritical excuses just to try and suit your flawed argument lol.
But nice 'derp' logic though.
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those new units seem like support units as well, so it's the same thing as in bw, stop the whinning until you actually see the finished product in action, it's not like you can do anything about it either.
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On October 27 2011 13:38 Ryder. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 27 2011 13:32 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:29 Ryder. wrote:On October 27 2011 13:20 VPVash wrote:On October 27 2011 13:18 Carkis wrote:
I guess all the Protoss hate is gunna remain in SC2 because we will hardly win championships still. The single most annoying thing I hate about SC2 is all the Zerg race supremacy fans/pro/community people have. Its complete non sence and your consider better or cooler if you win a match/championship as Z. No one can deny that You realize protoss and zerg win everything other then Code S right? And MLG, excluding HuKs win... But if you think Terrans dont win MLG then you have an awfully short memory. No I understand terrans win MLG but it's the best terrans in the world that have won lol....not a good argument so you must have a derp memory if I'm not mistakin You make no sense, you say that you discount Terran wins at MLG because they are the 'best Terrans in the worlds' does that mean we discount all of HuK's victories (and face it most big tournent toss wins are from him) just because they are won by (arguably) the best Protoss in the world? Why would having the best players win tournaments discredit their achievement? Sorry buddy you can't just make arbitrary, hypocritical excuses just to suit try and suit your argument lol. But nice 'derp' logic though.
All of huks victories are from facing a protoss or a zerg....if MMA, MVP, and or Bomber show up at any tournament 1 of them is winning mostly because there miles ahead of anybody in all match ups. It's commen sense buddy. But all toss players do is look at GSL and scream "omg why can't we win a GSL omg...terran imba imba imba" It's a never ending cycle that will exist forever. Nothing I'm saying is hypocritical...just true. Your comments are just through anger that I'm right and you sir...are wrong. Someday you will grasp it but today is not that day
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SC2 is heading in its own unique direction, i think its great where its going, the more people buying it because of cool units, the better
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