I might be the only one not to like this patch. Em change, while needed is too drastic and upgrade changes to all upgrades is too big a buff. Silly patch imo

Dalavita

Sweden1113 Posts

October 25 2011 21:51 GMT

#183

Damn. I read it as EMP area reduced from 2 to 1.5, but it was radius.

I'm wondering if the EMP nerf is too big...

Meh whatever, wait and see.

CatNzHat

United States1599 Posts

October 25 2011 21:51 GMT

#184

HT/Zeal is gonna become rediculously good if this goes through

K3Nyy

United States1961 Posts

October 25 2011 21:51 GMT

#185

On October 26 2011 06:49 Haplo_33 wrote:
Double forge is going to hurt so bad against PvZ

Uh how? The upgrade cost is 25/25 cheaper and 2/2 is 50/50 cheaper. The timing is literally still the same, it makes virtually no difference.

It's an unfair advantage for Protoss but it's by no means or even close to game breaking.

ArtemisKnives

United States210 Posts

October 25 2011 21:51 GMT

#186

Also why would anyone want to nerf HT radius further... it is a tick based spell, not an instant

YOU LOSE 100 SHIELDS DO NOT PASS GO

skill

Roe

Canada6002 Posts

October 25 2011 21:51 GMT

#187

I don't understand these changes, emp was fine as is, and protoss never had any trouble massing upgrades(chrono on double forge really strong)

Frozenhelfire

United States420 Posts

October 25 2011 21:52 GMT

#188

I think the armor and shield upgrade changes make sense. The armor upgrade for Protoss affects about half (generally a little more) of a units total hit points. The same goes for the shield upgrade. I think the weapons were fine. These cost reductions might end up spawning some triple forge play. As a Zerg player this intrigues me.

Sandermatt

Switzerland1365 Posts

October 25 2011 21:52 GMT

#189

I don't think the cost reduction in the non-shield upgrades is needed. And a protoss lategame buff might also result in more 1/1/1's, because it's alternative (macro game) gets worse. This is a development I would not like to see.

Toadvine

Poland2234 Posts

October 25 2011 21:52 GMT

#190

Not entirely sure how I feel about this. Upgrade Costs seem like a weird thing to buff. I mean, the biggest weakness of double Forge upgrade rushes in PvT is that they're very vulnerable before +1/+1 and +2/+2 finish. The cost reductions won't really help with this at all, they just make it easier to rush up to 3/3 and hit a huge timing, which will probably prompt lots of Terran complaints. If they were going to alter upgrade costs, knocking charge down to 150/150 or 100/100 and reducing research time sounds like a better idea. It's not like you hit any sick timings the moment Charge finishes.

The EMP nerf is nice, and will hopefully make it such that spreading your units actually does something in the lategame, as opposed to the current situation where the Terran makes 8 Ghosts and just blanket EMPs everything no matter what. It also nerfs the 2 base Ghost rush, which was probably a bit too good.

I really would've preferred a HT buff though. Movement speed would be the most logical thing to buff. HTs just feel kind of weak ever since the KA removal, against both T and Z.

FairForever

Canada2392 Posts

October 25 2011 21:52 GMT

#191

On October 26 2011 06:51 Dalavita wrote:
Damn. I read it as EMP area reduced from 2 to 1.5, but it was radius.

I'm wondering if the EMP nerf is to big...

Meh whatever, wait and see.

That is huge. That's pretty much a 43.75% nerf in terms of area that the ghost hits with an Emp. Makes it way harder to target as well as harder to hit units further back.

unit

United States2621 Posts

October 25 2011 21:52 GMT

#192

On October 26 2011 06:51 Daok wrote:

Show nested quote +

You sure about range+radius = range?

it does, he is talking about effective range aka the farthest the spell can reach

the range is the same but the effective range = range + radius

Barbiero

Brazil5259 Posts

October 25 2011 21:52 GMT

#193

Nothing that they hadn't mentioned at blizzcon already.

Namu

United States826 Posts

October 25 2011 21:52 GMT

#194

damn, thats 4 -> 2.25 in terms of area of EMP.. a pretty huge nerf.
uptoss going to be really strong now

Probe1

United States17920 Posts

October 25 2011 21:52 GMT

#195

The fade-in for game sound during alerts changed from .5 seconds to 2 seconds.

Thank god. That was seriously messing me up to the point where I had to just turn it off.

I don't think weapons and armor need buffing but whatever, I'm not an expert in Protoss and only scared that ZvP will become harder than the immortal buff already made it for me.

alepov

Netherlands1132 Posts

October 25 2011 21:52 GMT

#196

i dont even care about emp nerf, whatever, but making the absurdly fast upgrades cheaper is a joke
should make research time a bit more at least then

SolidMoose

United States1240 Posts

October 25 2011 21:52 GMT

#197

Lovely, an infestor buff. /facepalm

Can I have HotS now?

Lunchador

United States776 Posts

October 25 2011 21:52 GMT

#198

On October 26 2011 06:29 VPCursed wrote:
why does toss need cheaper upgrades, dont they get 3-3 fast enough?

You have to realize that in late-game stages, all protoss players still tend to forgo shield upgrades simply because you're throwing away a colossus, a carrier, and a mothership to max those out.

3/3/0 protoss units are at a disadvantage vs other race's 3/3 units. The extra damage to shields from enemy race's weapon upgrades hurts protoss considerably in the long run.