EPT[D]Are mutalisks overpowered in WOL?? - Page 57
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newbornducky
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Cillas
Germany78 Posts
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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Exarian
Poland58 Posts
As somone who played both Terran and Protoss I don't get all the Terran discussion as they are actually pretty fine against Mutas. Marines absolutely destroy them and turrets and thors are good as well. Every equivalant unit Protoss has is way worse vs air. A single unstimmed marine (50/0) has higher dps than a stalker (125/50). Turrets (100/0) have almost double the dps as cannons (150/0) and thors do nice splash with a huge range compared to archons. Mutas are more OP vs Toss then vs Terran - by large margin. Main problem with mutas is their huge positioning advantage and attacking multiple places at once thx to superior speed. Even if your army in direct combat is able to rotflstomp mutas, these mutas will attack each of your expos one by one and force you to either split your forces or sacrifice attacked expansion. Both solutions give huge advantage to Zerg: first option is making offense against Zerg very hard, and on top of that your divided forced will fight uphill battle against mutas, second option will give Zerg full map control and limit you to 1-2 bases. Both scenarios are giving Zerg huge unjustified advantage, and "don't let him build mutas or get punished" balance-wise is worst suggestion ever. T and P should be able to fight against Mutas on equal terms, which mean access to either units negating mutas positioning advantage (by superior range and huge splash) or units with their own positioning advantage and splash able to hunt mutas. If not, then only option is reducing mutas movement speed to more reasonable value. | ||
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headdshot
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IVN
534 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:39 headdshot wrote: lol anyone else watchin code a hero vs crazymoving, what a joke. Yeah :-/ bgillion HTs and blink Stalkers vs just mutas and speedlings???? trololololol, mutas win.  | ||
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Ugs06
United States23 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:39 headdshot wrote: lol anyone else watchin code a hero vs crazymoving, what a joke. yeah, Crazymoving going 3hatch, Hero doing no damage with his 2base Airharass, then doing no damage with his 2base chargelot harass and still able to play a 25min macro game... What a joke. | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
vs Protoss? Yes. | ||
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Ugs06
United States23 Posts
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d9mmdi
Germany179 Posts
also need a replacement race for protoss now it seems XDD | ||
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headdshot
43 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:43 Big J wrote: yeah, Crazymoving going 3hatch, Hero doing no damage with his 2base Airharass, then doing no damage with his 2base chargelot harass and still able to play a 25min macro game... What a joke. he killed like 4queens and lost 3-4 zlots? took a 11 min or so third and hes super behind(maybe a little )? his air harrass is supposably supposed to be a good opening againts muta, oh guess what, muta just ran his air over,then he proceeded to float 3k gas while at 200 food with muta ling,0 creep tumers 30 minutes into game. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:43 Big J wrote: yeah, Crazymoving going 3hatch, Hero doing no damage with his 2base Airharass, then doing no damage with his 2base chargelot harass and still able to play a 25min macro game... What a joke. Why do you have to use so much spin in every post you make? Are you incapable of having a fair discussion? Should someone of posted: Hero opens phoenix into blink, crazymoving goes muta and wins? No, because that is putting a false spin on what happened. What really happened is we saw that Storm is very effective against mutas but the protoss player has more to lose each time he makes a mistake, as templars die faster that mutas. I think we also saw some very bad decision making my Hero, but I suspect that he does not have a great deal of experience vs muta/ling in the late game. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:49 headdshot wrote: he killed like 4queens and lost 3-4 zlots? took a 11 min or so third and hes super behind(maybe a little )? his air harrass is supposably supposed to be a good opening againts muta, oh guess what, muta just ran his air over,then he proceeded to float 3k gas while at 200 food with muta ling,0 creep tumers 30 minutes into game. he killed 2queens, and even that was very late. He went for charge which is a 350/300 investment extra to his zealots. I'm not sure about his third, but from what I remember he didn't start it until 12mins. And no, air openings are not "good vs mutalisks". Double stargate is. those voids aren't... And yes, you said it, he was maxed. ofc he starts to float ressources and ofc he is. Hero floated 1,5k minerals all game as well. And if you're watch game2. Hero scouts the spire and builds 2stargates and crazymoving cancels the spire immidiatly, because mutas don't beat double stargate play... And Hero wins the game, even though his canon rush failed and his 4gate+1 attack failed and he is playing 3base vs 2base for even longer... | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
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IVN
534 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:43 Big J wrote: yeah, Crazymoving going 3hatch, Hero doing no damage with his 2base Airharass, then doing no damage with his 2base chargelot harass and still able to play a 25min macro game... What a joke. Doing no damage with his air? He forced like 8 spores, killed 2, 3 queens and a couple of overlords. | ||
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Exarian
Poland58 Posts
Doing no damage with his air? He forced like 8 spores, killed 2, 3 queens and a couple of overlords. So basically he killed nothing worth minerals... while player playing muta usually have more minerals then he need. | ||
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Ugs06
United States23 Posts
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dapierow
Serbia1316 Posts
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headdshot
43 Posts
On November 07 2011 19:57 Big J wrote: he killed 2queens, and even that was very late. He went for charge which is a 350/300 investment extra to his zealots. I'm not sure about his third, but from what I remember he didn't start it until 12mins. And no, air openings are not "good vs mutalisks". Double stargate is. those voids aren't... And yes, you said it, he was maxed. ofc he starts to float ressources and ofc he is. Hero floated 1,5k minerals all game as well. And if you're watch game2. Hero scouts the spire and builds 2stargates and crazymoving cancels the spire immidiatly, because mutas don't beat double stargate play... And Hero wins the game, even though his canon rush failed and his 4gate+1 attack failed and he is playing 3base vs 2base for even longer... oh i didnt know including the twlight council for charge was how you calculated that, 2 stargates is gimmicky thats why he almost got run over by roach/hydra, luckily that zerg is trash in comparison to hero. | ||
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