Eh, I really hope the BW teams don't set up completely new SC2 teams, as it would oversaturate the scene. A Proleague or GSTL with both original SC2 teams and SC2 divisions of BW teams would be too oversaturated. Having a separate Proleague for SC2 divisions of BW teams and a GSTL for original SC2 teams would be too divisive for the community. Either way would end disastrously.
Thus, I hope that if the BW teams end up opening SC2 divisions, they would consider the possibility of adopting or partnering with an existing SC2 team so that some of these problems could be avoided.
Unless it's for Deus Ex, in which case, I never asked for this.
On October 25 2011 03:07 SeaSwift wrote: This is just my own pondering, but I think that Blizzard is preparing to release an updated graphics BW - an "official" SC2BW, if you like. I remember seeing Starcraft: Phoenix on the estimated timeline sheet of Blizzard and thinking that it sounds likely - after all, how many more foreigner fans would it bring in, being able to watch BW without the crappy graphics? I expect them to keep the retarded AI etc the same, so that it doesn't alienate BW watchers.
Not really substantiated by evidence at all, just my hopes ^_^
well... it may not be official... but it already exists under the name "sc2bw" as a series of custom sc2 maps made to be like bw... everything from the stupid AI to the limited unit and building selection is working properly there but sadly the BW fans that would like it mostly hate sc2 already :/
On October 25 2011 03:11 PlosionCornu wrote: Razer is pretty much a big player in korea already, being one of the main sponsors for slayers. The specific choice of intel and nvidia (both slayers and blizzard partners) is pretty revealing too.
"baseless conjecture" Are these companies pushing some kind of agenda? I mean, every single piece of hardware comes from companies sponsoring sc2 (even a LG monitor instead of a samsung one..).
How many major international hardware companies AREN'T sponsoring SC2 in some way yet?
On October 25 2011 03:07 SeaSwift wrote: This is just my own pondering, but I think that Blizzard is preparing to release an updated graphics BW - an "official" SC2BW, if you like. I remember seeing Starcraft: Phoenix on the estimated timeline sheet of Blizzard and thinking that it sounds likely - after all, how many more foreigner fans would it bring in, being able to watch BW without the crappy graphics? I expect them to keep the retarded AI etc the same, so that it doesn't alienate BW watchers.
Not really substantiated by evidence at all, just my hopes ^_^
well... it may not be official... but it already exists under the name "sc2bw" as a series of custom sc2 maps made to be like bw... everything from the stupid AI to the limited unit and building selection is working properly there but sadly the BW fans that would like it mostly hate sc2 already :/
It's not quite as accurate as you make it sound. The unit sizes don't match up accurately with the scale of the terrain, and tricks like Chinese triangle and Patrol micro don't work.
My guess is - just a standard computer upgrading, in which people usually take the current best configuration, so that it can be viable for many years. One never knows what kind of other software may be useful in the future that requires such hardware. (eg: some kind of 3d Video conference for communication purposes etc)
kespa needs to die, i don't understand why can't Korean scene operate like the foreign scene. GSL is open to anyone, but its not enough to support the numbers of good players in Korea. Maybe blizzard should not give exclusive right to gomtv or anyone to broadcast sc2.
Why is this in the sc2 section? So what if KT Rolster got new computers? Its obvious that no Korea team in its right mind would switch over to sc2, when BW still far outweighs the money input, especially in Korea. I mean, Korean teams are looking to international sponsors in sc2, why would an entity switch to such a volatile market? That would easily be the stupidest business move by a esports team, to date. (even counting the MYM, SK Korean arms race controversy of WC3)
Lets look at this totally objectively, and ill just jot down some point form to see what a team would think about before switching.
- Currently Korean teams are massively under funded - There are very few Korean sponsors associated with SC2 - There is very few tournaments in Korea, and in turn very little prize money (prize is high, distribution is low) - SC2 is internationally based, therefore the costs of running a team rises, as flight, hotel, accommodation all needed to be taken into context, unlike BW, which is centralized in Korea. - There are already teams based on nostalgia to BW, this market is all but closed, Slayers is the most obvious, but oGs is another relevant team with a past in BW (Nada~~~) - SC2 tournament results are volatile because the game is easier than BW. In BW, the best player (or the player with the best strategy and execution) won, in sc2 there is the volatile PvP matchup, ZvZ Matchup, and the fact that mechanics are easier allowing for someone like HuK, IdrA, Stephano, all b teamers or worse in their past games, win championships.
I mean, they might switch if BW really is suffering over there, but lets be honest, sc2 in korea isnt a very friendly market.
I would just like to add that it's sad to call these specs anything special.
PC hardware companies should shower them with pre-built's just to get their brand out. Alienware is one good example that comes to mind, or just components in general.
I was hoping a little while ago that KesPA and S2CON would merge, creating one 16 team conference that had some teams playing BW only, some playing SC2 only, and some doing both. Maybe that's actually happening?
On October 25 2011 03:46 Longshank wrote: It does seem odd to buy a bunch of wide screen monitors for BW, especially when a SC2 PL has been hinted.
no it doesnt, it makes perfect sense to me, its because a sc2 PL has been hinted, they are preparing to create a sc2 team, and possibly some of the B-teamers would be switching over, i could see this logically from most of the korean sc:bw proteams to create a sc2 division if sc2PL is a go, and remember, they would know first
That's what he's saying.
He said it doesn't make any sense to buy Widescreen Monitors for Brood War.
ah, i can see that, but still just because you are buying new monitors doesnt mean that you are junking the old ones, they might still have some of those old crts around
I think the point he's trying to make is that it would be silly to buy Widescreens for their new computer if they're sticking to only playing Brood War, it would make much more sense to buy new computers, and keep their CRT monitors if it was just a routine "hardware upgrade"
This is just more evidence that SC2 is slowly taking hold in Korea.
yea, i realize that now, thx -tired T_T
i didnt think sc2 would take hold in korea this late, actually after its original flop in korea due to the low skill ceiling at the start and lack of mechanical skill needed at the start i was wondering if it ever would since bw is a more mechanically demanding game, as it seems though in sc2 at least with terran you are rewarded for playing fast and with good multitasking, which is probably why its starting to get a few bites, i wonder when we will see more protosses and zergs at the highest level though T_T blizz needs to fix the design flaws of Z and especially P
low skill ceiling? It's not as if there are 3 people constantly winning GSL, i mean if there was such a low skill ceiling how the fuck could anyone win gsl 3 times in a row? noob just rape them cause no skill
put it in context "low skill ceiling AT THE START"
On October 25 2011 07:33 Holcan wrote: Why is this in the sc2 section? So what if KT Rolster got new computers? Its obvious that no Korea team in its right mind would switch over to sc2, when BW still far outweighs the money input, especially in Korea. I mean, Korean teams are looking to international sponsors in sc2, why would an entity switch to such a volatile market? That would easily be the stupidest business move by a esports team, to date. (even counting the MYM, SK Korean arms race controversy of WC3)
Lets look at this totally objectively, and ill just jot down some point form to see what a team would think about before switching.
- Currently Korean teams are massively under funded - There are very few Korean sponsors associated with SC2 - There is very few tournaments in Korea, and in turn very little prize money (prize is high, distribution is low) - SC2 is internationally based, therefore the costs of running a team rises, as flight, hotel, accommodation all needed to be taken into context, unlike BW, which is centralized in Korea. - There are already teams based on nostalgia to BW, this market is all but closed, Slayers is the most obvious, but oGs is another relevant team with a past in BW (Nada~~~) - SC2 tournament results are volatile because the game is easier than BW. In BW, the best player (or the player with the best strategy and execution) won, in sc2 there is the volatile PvP matchup, ZvZ Matchup, and the fact that mechanics are easier allowing for someone like HuK, IdrA, Stephano, all b teamers or worse in their past games, win championships.
I mean, they might switch if BW really is suffering over there, but lets be honest, sc2 in korea isnt a very friendly market.
No one is seriously suggesting that they would be switching, at least not the A-teamers, that's just wishful thinking for funsies. The idea of them setting up a SC2 squad to compliment the BW team is however not so far fetched and not "the stupidest business move by a esports team, to date". LCD wide screens are obviously not meant to be used to play BW on, and with the possibility of a SC2 Proleague 9 or so months from now, it very concievable that they plan to participate in it.
I find it funny that people are wondering why this thread is in the SC2 section instead of the BW section.
I assume that if the thread was in the BW section, the tremendous amount of SC2 talk would make people wonder why it would be in the BW section instead of the SC2 section.
On October 25 2011 07:33 Holcan wrote: Why is this in the sc2 section? So what if KT Rolster got new computers? Its obvious that no Korea team in its right mind would switch over to sc2, when BW still far outweighs the money input, especially in Korea. I mean, Korean teams are looking to international sponsors in sc2, why would an entity switch to such a volatile market? That would easily be the stupidest business move by a esports team, to date. (even counting the MYM, SK Korean arms race controversy of WC3)
Lets look at this totally objectively, and ill just jot down some point form to see what a team would think about before switching.
- Currently Korean teams are massively under funded - There are very few Korean sponsors associated with SC2 - There is very few tournaments in Korea, and in turn very little prize money (prize is high, distribution is low) - SC2 is internationally based, therefore the costs of running a team rises, as flight, hotel, accommodation all needed to be taken into context, unlike BW, which is centralized in Korea. - There are already teams based on nostalgia to BW, this market is all but closed, Slayers is the most obvious, but oGs is another relevant team with a past in BW (Nada~~~) - SC2 tournament results are volatile because the game is easier than BW. In BW, the best player (or the player with the best strategy and execution) won, in sc2 there is the volatile PvP matchup, ZvZ Matchup, and the fact that mechanics are easier allowing for someone like HuK, IdrA, Stephano, all b teamers or worse in their past games, win championships.
I mean, they might switch if BW really is suffering over there, but lets be honest, sc2 in korea isnt a very friendly market.
Because Kespa is probably considering doing something with SC2 - see all the rumors about SC2 proleague, etc. They already recognize the sustained success of SC2 on an international level, so it doesn't feel too risky to me for BW teams to spawn new exploratory SC2 teams.
And cut out the flamebait about SC2 being easier than BW. SC2 is volatile mostly because it's new and still being patched for balance. It has little to do with the perceived difficulty of the game, since despite it being "easy", just like BW, it's evident that no one is even close to the skill ceiling.
On October 25 2011 03:07 SeaSwift wrote: This is just my own pondering, but I think that Blizzard is preparing to release an updated graphics BW - an "official" SC2BW, if you like. I remember seeing Starcraft: Phoenix on the estimated timeline sheet of Blizzard and thinking that it sounds likely - after all, how many more foreigner fans would it bring in, being able to watch BW without the crappy graphics? I expect them to keep the retarded AI etc the same, so that it doesn't alienate BW watchers.
Not really substantiated by evidence at all, just my hopes ^_^
This is exactly what I posted in the other thread! It must happen! In fact I have to keep myself from watching BW if i can find an english caster.......
<3 SC2 but... <3 BW Goes to teamliquid does creepy smiley face C:
On October 25 2011 03:07 SeaSwift wrote: This is just my own pondering, but I think that Blizzard is preparing to release an updated graphics BW - an "official" SC2BW, if you like. I remember seeing Starcraft: Phoenix on the estimated timeline sheet of Blizzard and thinking that it sounds likely - after all, how many more foreigner fans would it bring in, being able to watch BW without the crappy graphics? I expect them to keep the retarded AI etc the same, so that it doesn't alienate BW watchers.
Not really substantiated by evidence at all, just my hopes ^_^
Blizzard can't even be bothered to add clan support or anything into SC2, they aren't going to remake an entire game in a new engine. Generally speaking if your theory involves Blizzard doing anything it's wrong, because they prefer to do the bare minimum post launch
On October 25 2011 03:07 SeaSwift wrote: This is just my own pondering, but I think that Blizzard is preparing to release an updated graphics BW - an "official" SC2BW, if you like. I remember seeing Starcraft: Phoenix on the estimated timeline sheet of Blizzard and thinking that it sounds likely - after all, how many more foreigner fans would it bring in, being able to watch BW without the crappy graphics? I expect them to keep the retarded AI etc the same, so that it doesn't alienate BW watchers.
Not really substantiated by evidence at all, just my hopes ^_^
Blizzard can't even be bothered to add clan support or anything into SC2, they aren't going to remake an entire game in a new engine. Generally speaking if your theory involves Blizzard doing anything it's wrong, because they prefer to do the bare minimum post launch
Agreed. Plus I don't see blizzard wasting resources on updating bw cause there's no money in it for them and is just a waste of money for them. BW is only relevant in korea and that's it. There's no way a suit would green light a budget for an updated bw.