On October 25 2011 08:57 Erasme wrote: There is a huge flaw in your logic, and it has already been pointed out. If it's so easy, why do we see the same people at the top of tournaments ? You lack in thinking. Pretty funny that you only talked about the players who showed consistency against koreans tho. You forget the millions of others gamers who tried and failed because it was too hard.
you fail to understand how good people actually are in BW. we DONT have people bonjwa-ing in sc2. we did in BW. a strong NA player could play flash 100 times and take less than 5 games. a strong NA player could play MVP 100 times and take 10+. that's the difference.
Thats the difference between foreigner and Korean not the difference in skill cieling. I will agree that of course people are better at BW than they are at SC2 but foreigners being competitive has nothing to do with it.
On October 25 2011 03:07 SeaSwift wrote: This is just my own pondering, but I think that Blizzard is preparing to release an updated graphics BW - an "official" SC2BW, if you like. I remember seeing Starcraft: Phoenix on the estimated timeline sheet of Blizzard and thinking that it sounds likely - after all, how many more foreigner fans would it bring in, being able to watch BW without the crappy graphics? I expect them to keep the retarded AI etc the same, so that it doesn't alienate BW watchers.
Not really substantiated by evidence at all, just my hopes ^_^
It would make absolutely no sense for Blizzard to work on or release an updated version of BW when they're trying to promote SC2 worldwide.
On October 25 2011 03:07 SeaSwift wrote: This is just my own pondering, but I think that Blizzard is preparing to release an updated graphics BW - an "official" SC2BW, if you like. I remember seeing Starcraft: Phoenix on the estimated timeline sheet of Blizzard and thinking that it sounds likely - after all, how many more foreigner fans would it bring in, being able to watch BW without the crappy graphics? I expect them to keep the retarded AI etc the same, so that it doesn't alienate BW watchers.
Not really substantiated by evidence at all, just my hopes ^_^
It would make absolutely no sense for Blizzard to work on or release an updated version of BW when they're trying to promote SC2 worldwide.
It's built into sc2... it won't compete and if it does they won't care as it will still sell SC2 copies.
On October 25 2011 08:57 Erasme wrote: There is a huge flaw in your logic, and it has already been pointed out. If it's so easy, why do we see the same people at the top of tournaments ? You lack in thinking. Pretty funny that you only talked about the players who showed consistency against koreans tho. You forget the millions of others gamers who tried and failed because it was too hard.
you fail to understand how good people actually are in BW. we DONT have people bonjwa-ing in sc2. we did in BW. a strong NA player could play flash 100 times and take less than 5 games. a strong NA player could play MVP 100 times and take 10+. that's the difference.
I don't get it. Why do people always do this? Star2 and Star1 are different games, it's not like Star2 is Star1 lite. The mechanics are easier and simple, yes, and that is what kept foreigners down; not to mention Korea blew up in SC:BW and the whole nation pretty much developed together. In America you had some people playing competitively but the vast majority was doing UMS and casual play. Fast forward to Star2, foreigners are off to an even footing both on release dates and how many people were playing. Now you have many many strong players in every region. What does this do? It creates strong competition, foreigners constantly playing Koreans to learn how they play. If we had the same phenomenon in Star1, then we could've had a "foreigner bonjwa" because by playing with Koreans constantly you learn what they know and use it to better yourself constant.
So given all of this why is it that people say "oh the competition right now ain't shit, just wait till X comes over". Star2 is a different RTS than Star1 and with HotS on the way, it's going to be even more different. Just because one person is the best at one game doesn't mean they're suddenly the best in the whole genre. Moon and Grubby came from War3 and they didn't blow the scene up, they entered as players that were on top but not dominant. I know the difference of War3 -> Star2 is larger than Star1 -> Star2 but it's still worth noting.
On October 25 2011 08:44 Thurokiir wrote: Nah, bulldozer tests included i7's against i5's OC'd and UnOc'd. i7's clocked consistently over i5's at all times at some pretty massive differences in power.
i5-3500k comes out in... a few months...? and it's a die shrink with tri gates with +10-20% IPC and the 32nm ver is already 1.78x phenom ii and phenom ii > bulldozer... and the i7-3700k is only 77watt TDP vs the older 95watt TDP...
On October 25 2011 07:33 Holcan wrote: Why is this in the sc2 section? So what if KT Rolster got new computers? Its obvious that no Korea team in its right mind would switch over to sc2, when BW still far outweighs the money input, especially in Korea. I mean, Korean teams are looking to international sponsors in sc2, why would an entity switch to such a volatile market? That would easily be the stupidest business move by a esports team, to date. (even counting the MYM, SK Korean arms race controversy of WC3)
Lets look at this totally objectively, and ill just jot down some point form to see what a team would think about before switching.
- Currently Korean teams are massively under funded - There are very few Korean sponsors associated with SC2 - There is very few tournaments in Korea, and in turn very little prize money (prize is high, distribution is low) - SC2 is internationally based, therefore the costs of running a team rises, as flight, hotel, accommodation all needed to be taken into context, unlike BW, which is centralized in Korea. - There are already teams based on nostalgia to BW, this market is all but closed, Slayers is the most obvious, but oGs is another relevant team with a past in BW (Nada~~~) - SC2 tournament results are volatile because the game is easier than BW. In BW, the best player (or the player with the best strategy and execution) won, in sc2 there is the volatile PvP matchup, ZvZ Matchup, and the fact that mechanics are easier allowing for someone like HuK, IdrA, Stephano, all b teamers or worse in their past games, win championships.
I mean, they might switch if BW really is suffering over there, but lets be honest, sc2 in korea isnt a very friendly market.
Because Kespa is probably considering doing something with SC2 - see all the rumors about SC2 proleague, etc. They already recognize the sustained success of SC2 on an international level, so it doesn't feel too risky to me for BW teams to spawn new exploratory SC2 teams.
And cut out the flamebait about SC2 being easier than BW. SC2 is volatile mostly because it's new and still being patched for balance. It has little to do with the perceived difficulty of the game, since despite it being "easy", just like BW, it's evident that no one is even close to the skill ceiling.
And thats fine no one is close to the skill ceiling, no one was close to the skill ceiling in sc2. You cannot deny that someone like Stephano who was a mid tier wc3 player, or IdrA who couldnt break CJ Practice Squad, or HuK who was B+ would ever win a championship in their respective games, but here they are...winning..and its not because sc2 is so much harder other RTS games.
Its not flame bait, its the truth, and easier game means more volatile results, not volatile results mean an easier game. Also with Korean teams dying, how is it not risky to join a inflated market? Or are we just going to avoid the massive issues that many Korean sc2 teams have regarding money?
You can try to justify it one way or another, but the fact of that matter is, if sc2 wasn't as easy as it is, we wouldnt have a massive NA fanbase that supports it. As whether you like to admit it or not, but NA love easy games with shiny graphics. Hence why COD sells millions every release, and millions of bw nostalgia nerds grabbed sc2 the day of release. The realistic view is that SC2 is hands down easier than BW, and it takes a seriously lack in thinking, or experience, to not understand why there will never be a bonjwa in sc2, yet there were eras of bonjwa in BW.
On October 25 2011 07:33 Holcan wrote: Why is this in the sc2 section? So what if KT Rolster got new computers? Its obvious that no Korea team in its right mind would switch over to sc2, when BW still far outweighs the money input, especially in Korea. I mean, Korean teams are looking to international sponsors in sc2, why would an entity switch to such a volatile market? That would easily be the stupidest business move by a esports team, to date. (even counting the MYM, SK Korean arms race controversy of WC3)
Lets look at this totally objectively, and ill just jot down some point form to see what a team would think about before switching.
- Currently Korean teams are massively under funded - There are very few Korean sponsors associated with SC2 - There is very few tournaments in Korea, and in turn very little prize money (prize is high, distribution is low) - SC2 is internationally based, therefore the costs of running a team rises, as flight, hotel, accommodation all needed to be taken into context, unlike BW, which is centralized in Korea. - There are already teams based on nostalgia to BW, this market is all but closed, Slayers is the most obvious, but oGs is another relevant team with a past in BW (Nada~~~) - SC2 tournament results are volatile because the game is easier than BW. In BW, the best player (or the player with the best strategy and execution) won, in sc2 there is the volatile PvP matchup, ZvZ Matchup, and the fact that mechanics are easier allowing for someone like HuK, IdrA, Stephano, all b teamers or worse in their past games, win championships.
I mean, they might switch if BW really is suffering over there, but lets be honest, sc2 in korea isnt a very friendly market.
Even if some of your points are good, you never ever watched wc3 did you ? (offtopic I know, but bashing with false information is stupid :>) OT: Why would they switch computer now ? Because sc2 is not a flop at all. There is much more money now, internationally ofc, than in broodwar, so this is a logical move and was expected since the beginning.
Did you ever watch wc3? Because if you did you would probably recognize my name. I managed multiple leagues that Stephano played in, as well as followed the french scene, and Millenium very closely...Thanks for trying to call me out though, I can tell by your France flag that you think Stephano was a class A wc3 player, when in reality he was always behind ToD, even when ToD was retired. And was always behind demuslim, Xyligan, and even near the end of wc3, yAws and many other European human players.
Hell even on M he was behind the Koreans, by a massively huge margin.
All this is fine and dandy, but you've failed to explain how all this is even loosely connected to KT getting SC2 ready rigs. So what if the scene in volatile(I'd argue it's far less so than you make it out to be but this is not the place), there are evidently money to be made for the top players in the scene and there's a huge international following. For a BW that's looking to evolve and expand it's brand, putting together a SC2 squad to dabble in the new game seems to be a very reasonable decission.
Perhaps they see the potential in a KeSPA sanctioned SC2 Proleague or OSL, fueled by an enormous global hype and interest. Perhaps they see that this combo could potentially be very profitable in the future.
That you think SC2 is a shit game is completely irrelevant to this topic, atleast try to make a valid point.
On October 25 2011 08:57 Erasme wrote: There is a huge flaw in your logic, and it has already been pointed out. If it's so easy, why do we see the same people at the top of tournaments ? You lack in thinking. Pretty funny that you only talked about the players who showed consistency against koreans tho. You forget the millions of others gamers who tried and failed because it was too hard.
you fail to understand how good people actually are in BW. we DONT have people bonjwa-ing in sc2. we did in BW. a strong NA player could play flash 100 times and take less than 5 games. a strong NA player could play MVP 100 times and take 10+. that's the difference.
I don't get it. Why do people always do this? Star2 and Star1 are different games, it's not like Star2 is Star1 lite. The mechanics are easier and simple, yes, and that is what kept foreigners down; not to mention Korea blew up in SC:BW and the whole nation pretty much developed together. In America you had some people playing competitively but the vast majority was doing UMS and casual play. Fast forward to Star2, foreigners are off to an even footing both on release dates and how many people were playing. Now you have many many strong players in every region. What does this do? It creates strong competition, foreigners constantly playing Koreans to learn how they play. If we had the same phenomenon in Star1, then we could've had a "foreigner bonjwa" because by playing with Koreans constantly you learn what they know and use it to better yourself constant.
So given all of this why is it that people say "oh the competition right now ain't shit, just wait till X comes over". Star2 is a different RTS than Star1 and with HotS on the way, it's going to be even more different. Just because one person is the best at one game doesn't mean they're suddenly the best in the whole genre. Moon and Grubby came from War3 and they didn't blow the scene up, they entered as players that were on top but not dominant. I know the difference of War3 -> Star2 is larger than Star1 -> Star2 but it's still worth noting.
First of all, Grubby and Moon both compete in wc3 STILL, so practicing two games will ultimately hinder your results in the game you care less about, and has more volatile results. Also Moon places 2nd in pretty much every LAN he attends in sc2, except for MLG Columbus, please explain how that isn't dominate? Also didn't he get into GSL very quickly, while still playing Wc3? Only dropping out of it once he achieved his dream of attending WCG representing Korea? I'm sorry, but no. Also the difference from wc3-> sc2 is closer than bw-> wc3, hence why almost every foreign professional is an ex-wc3 player, at least in terms of general talent, as far as meta game goes, of course sc1 players dominate.
Also for your original argument, its pretty much gone out the window, since well go to the Korean ladder and play, and two weeks later you'll be facing those strats on NA, while the Koreans have moved on. Their meta game defines the current meta game of sc2, the fact the game is easier allows the NA players to compete, but you're truly viewing this through painted glass if you feel that IdrA, HuK, or the countless other players whom developed "skills" could hack it in BW in anything past a practice squad. The fact of the matter is, the simplicity of the game, and its mechanics, allowed those players to compete. Please note ive never said this was a bad thing, RTS needed to be dumbed down for the international fan base, now that it is, my favourite facet of esports can move forward.
On October 25 2011 07:33 Holcan wrote: Why is this in the sc2 section? So what if KT Rolster got new computers? Its obvious that no Korea team in its right mind would switch over to sc2, when BW still far outweighs the money input, especially in Korea. I mean, Korean teams are looking to international sponsors in sc2, why would an entity switch to such a volatile market? That would easily be the stupidest business move by a esports team, to date. (even counting the MYM, SK Korean arms race controversy of WC3)
Lets look at this totally objectively, and ill just jot down some point form to see what a team would think about before switching.
- Currently Korean teams are massively under funded - There are very few Korean sponsors associated with SC2 - There is very few tournaments in Korea, and in turn very little prize money (prize is high, distribution is low) - SC2 is internationally based, therefore the costs of running a team rises, as flight, hotel, accommodation all needed to be taken into context, unlike BW, which is centralized in Korea. - There are already teams based on nostalgia to BW, this market is all but closed, Slayers is the most obvious, but oGs is another relevant team with a past in BW (Nada~~~) - SC2 tournament results are volatile because the game is easier than BW. In BW, the best player (or the player with the best strategy and execution) won, in sc2 there is the volatile PvP matchup, ZvZ Matchup, and the fact that mechanics are easier allowing for someone like HuK, IdrA, Stephano, all b teamers or worse in their past games, win championships.
I mean, they might switch if BW really is suffering over there, but lets be honest, sc2 in korea isnt a very friendly market.
Because Kespa is probably considering doing something with SC2 - see all the rumors about SC2 proleague, etc. They already recognize the sustained success of SC2 on an international level, so it doesn't feel too risky to me for BW teams to spawn new exploratory SC2 teams.
And cut out the flamebait about SC2 being easier than BW. SC2 is volatile mostly because it's new and still being patched for balance. It has little to do with the perceived difficulty of the game, since despite it being "easy", just like BW, it's evident that no one is even close to the skill ceiling.
And thats fine no one is close to the skill ceiling, no one was close to the skill ceiling in sc2. You cannot deny that someone like Stephano who was a mid tier wc3 player, or IdrA who couldnt break CJ Practice Squad, or HuK who was B+ would ever win a championship in their respective games, but here they are...winning..and its not because sc2 is so much harder other RTS games.
Its not flame bait, its the truth, and easier game means more volatile results, not volatile results mean an easier game. Also with Korean teams dying, how is it not risky to join a inflated market? Or are we just going to avoid the massive issues that many Korean sc2 teams have regarding money?
You can try to justify it one way or another, but the fact of that matter is, if sc2 wasn't as easy as it is, we wouldnt have a massive NA fanbase that supports it. As whether you like to admit it or not, but NA love easy games with shiny graphics. Hence why COD sells millions every release, and millions of bw nostalgia nerds grabbed sc2 the day of release. The realistic view is that SC2 is hands down easier than BW, and it takes a seriously lack in thinking, or experience, to not understand why there will never be a bonjwa in sc2, yet there were eras of bonjwa in BW.
On October 25 2011 08:45 Erasme wrote:
On October 25 2011 07:33 Holcan wrote: Why is this in the sc2 section? So what if KT Rolster got new computers? Its obvious that no Korea team in its right mind would switch over to sc2, when BW still far outweighs the money input, especially in Korea. I mean, Korean teams are looking to international sponsors in sc2, why would an entity switch to such a volatile market? That would easily be the stupidest business move by a esports team, to date. (even counting the MYM, SK Korean arms race controversy of WC3)
Lets look at this totally objectively, and ill just jot down some point form to see what a team would think about before switching.
- Currently Korean teams are massively under funded - There are very few Korean sponsors associated with SC2 - There is very few tournaments in Korea, and in turn very little prize money (prize is high, distribution is low) - SC2 is internationally based, therefore the costs of running a team rises, as flight, hotel, accommodation all needed to be taken into context, unlike BW, which is centralized in Korea. - There are already teams based on nostalgia to BW, this market is all but closed, Slayers is the most obvious, but oGs is another relevant team with a past in BW (Nada~~~) - SC2 tournament results are volatile because the game is easier than BW. In BW, the best player (or the player with the best strategy and execution) won, in sc2 there is the volatile PvP matchup, ZvZ Matchup, and the fact that mechanics are easier allowing for someone like HuK, IdrA, Stephano, all b teamers or worse in their past games, win championships.
I mean, they might switch if BW really is suffering over there, but lets be honest, sc2 in korea isnt a very friendly market.
Even if some of your points are good, you never ever watched wc3 did you ? (offtopic I know, but bashing with false information is stupid :>) OT: Why would they switch computer now ? Because sc2 is not a flop at all. There is much more money now, internationally ofc, than in broodwar, so this is a logical move and was expected since the beginning.
Did you ever watch wc3? Because if you did you would probably recognize my name. I managed multiple leagues that Stephano played in, as well as followed the french scene, and Millenium very closely...Thanks for trying to call me out though, I can tell by your France flag that you think Stephano was a class A wc3 player, when in reality he was always behind ToD, even when ToD was retired. And was always behind demuslim, Xyligan, and even near the end of wc3, yAws and many other European human players.
Hell even on M he was behind the Koreans, by a massively huge margin.
All this is fine and dandy, but you've failed to explain how all this is even loosely connected to KT getting SC2 ready rigs. So what if the scene in volatile(I'd argue it's far less so than you make it out to be but this is not the place), there are evidently money to be made for the top players in the scene and there's a huge international following. For a BW that's looking to evolve and expand it's brand, putting together a SC2 squad to dabble in the new game seems to be a very reasonable decission.
Perhaps they see the potential in a KeSPA sanctioned SC2 Proleague or OSL, fueled by an enormous global hype and interest. Perhaps they see that this combo could potentially be very profitable in the future.
That you think SC2 is a shit game is completely irrelevant to this topic, atleast try to make a valid point.
The fact you contort me thinking sc2 is easy, to sc2 being shit, means that your obvious bias to replying to me is obvious beyond belief, but ill humour you anyways.
Why, when the Korean scene has no money, arent gaining grounds on sponsors, and are having a hard time keeping teams intact, would it be a good move to venture into an area that has limited/international only exposure, and very little kick back in terms of prize winning. International tournaments aside from brand recognition arent worth to travel to, and GSL is such a hard tournament to enter, even top (sc2) Koreans complain about the set-up.
Now sure, there are other rumours being pushed forward about Kespa Pro League etc etc, but until they substantiate as something real, i'll treat them as they are, rumours, and use evidence to prove my point, rather than guess work.
Why is this in the SC2 section? KT bought some new machines, so what? When they're not playing BW they can play some other games and watch HD content. They been doing very well in proleague it's about time the players were rewarded with an upgraded practice/entertainment environment.
I think the biggest tell about this is the widescreen monitors. There's a huge difference between 4:3 and 16: 9. People who play on 4:3 won't ever be able to play on 16: 9.
On October 25 2011 09:54 Anomarad wrote: Why is this in the SC2 section? KT bought some new machines, so what? When they're not playing BW they can play some other games and watch HD content. They been doing very well in proleague it's about time the players were rewarded with an upgraded practice/entertainment environment.
If this would be in the BW section 90% of the regular BW section user would whine about the SC2 fanboys that are thinking they're preparing for SC2 no matter if it's true or not. Just another shitfest if you will.
Also for your original argument, its pretty much gone out the window, since well go to the Korean ladder and play, and two weeks later you'll be facing those strats on NA, while the Koreans have moved on. Their meta game defines the current meta game of sc2, the fact the game is easier allows the NA players to compete, but you're truly viewing this through painted glass if you feel that IdrA, HuK, or the countless other players whom developed "skills" could hack it in BW in anything past a practice squad. The fact of the matter is, the simplicity of the game, and its mechanics, allowed those players to compete. Please note ive never said this was a bad thing, RTS needed to be dumbed down for the international fan base, now that it is, my favourite facet of esports can move forward.
Uh, or how about the fact that all the best players stayed in BW because the money is better if you're well-established? Foreign SC2 players are essentially playing Korean B-teamers, so of course you would expect a bit more volatility in the results because foreigners aren't completely incompetent. And, yet, foreigners still get dominated for the most part. There isn't even a single foreigner in GSL code S. Edit: sorry forgot about Huk.
Also for your original argument, its pretty much gone out the window, since well go to the Korean ladder and play, and two weeks later you'll be facing those strats on NA, while the Koreans have moved on. Their meta game defines the current meta game of sc2, the fact the game is easier allows the NA players to compete, but you're truly viewing this through painted glass if you feel that IdrA, HuK, or the countless other players whom developed "skills" could hack it in BW in anything past a practice squad. The fact of the matter is, the simplicity of the game, and its mechanics, allowed those players to compete. Please note ive never said this was a bad thing, RTS needed to be dumbed down for the international fan base, now that it is, my favourite facet of esports can move forward.
Uh, or how about the fact that all the best players stayed in BW because the money is better if you're well-established? Foreign SC2 players are essentially playing Korean B-teamers, so of course you would expect a bit more volatility in the results because foreigners aren't completely incompetent. And, yet, foreigners still get dominated for the most part. There isn't even a single foreigner in GSL code S.
No.
Also the first half of your first sentence is unrelated to the rest of it.
On October 25 2011 07:33 Holcan wrote: Why is this in the sc2 section? So what if KT Rolster got new computers? Its obvious that no Korea team in its right mind would switch over to sc2, when BW still far outweighs the money input, especially in Korea. I mean, Korean teams are looking to international sponsors in sc2, why would an entity switch to such a volatile market? That would easily be the stupidest business move by a esports team, to date. (even counting the MYM, SK Korean arms race controversy of WC3)
Lets look at this totally objectively, and ill just jot down some point form to see what a team would think about before switching.
- Currently Korean teams are massively under funded - There are very few Korean sponsors associated with SC2 - There is very few tournaments in Korea, and in turn very little prize money (prize is high, distribution is low) - SC2 is internationally based, therefore the costs of running a team rises, as flight, hotel, accommodation all needed to be taken into context, unlike BW, which is centralized in Korea. - There are already teams based on nostalgia to BW, this market is all but closed, Slayers is the most obvious, but oGs is another relevant team with a past in BW (Nada~~~) - SC2 tournament results are volatile because the game is easier than BW. In BW, the best player (or the player with the best strategy and execution) won, in sc2 there is the volatile PvP matchup, ZvZ Matchup, and the fact that mechanics are easier allowing for someone like HuK, IdrA, Stephano, all b teamers or worse in their past games, win championships.
I mean, they might switch if BW really is suffering over there, but lets be honest, sc2 in korea isnt a very friendly market.
Because Kespa is probably considering doing something with SC2 - see all the rumors about SC2 proleague, etc. They already recognize the sustained success of SC2 on an international level, so it doesn't feel too risky to me for BW teams to spawn new exploratory SC2 teams.
And cut out the flamebait about SC2 being easier than BW. SC2 is volatile mostly because it's new and still being patched for balance. It has little to do with the perceived difficulty of the game, since despite it being "easy", just like BW, it's evident that no one is even close to the skill ceiling.
And thats fine no one is close to the skill ceiling, no one was close to the skill ceiling in sc2. You cannot deny that someone like Stephano who was a mid tier wc3 player, or IdrA who couldnt break CJ Practice Squad, or HuK who was B+ would ever win a championship in their respective games, but here they are...winning..and its not because sc2 is so much harder other RTS games.
Its not flame bait, its the truth, and easier game means more volatile results, not volatile results mean an easier game. Also with Korean teams dying, how is it not risky to join a inflated market? Or are we just going to avoid the massive issues that many Korean sc2 teams have regarding money?
You can try to justify it one way or another, but the fact of that matter is, if sc2 wasn't as easy as it is, we wouldnt have a massive NA fanbase that supports it. As whether you like to admit it or not, but NA love easy games with shiny graphics. Hence why COD sells millions every release, and millions of bw nostalgia nerds grabbed sc2 the day of release. The realistic view is that SC2 is hands down easier than BW, and it takes a seriously lack in thinking, or experience, to not understand why there will never be a bonjwa in sc2, yet there were eras of bonjwa in BW.
On October 25 2011 08:45 Erasme wrote:
On October 25 2011 07:33 Holcan wrote: Why is this in the sc2 section? So what if KT Rolster got new computers? Its obvious that no Korea team in its right mind would switch over to sc2, when BW still far outweighs the money input, especially in Korea. I mean, Korean teams are looking to international sponsors in sc2, why would an entity switch to such a volatile market? That would easily be the stupidest business move by a esports team, to date. (even counting the MYM, SK Korean arms race controversy of WC3)
Lets look at this totally objectively, and ill just jot down some point form to see what a team would think about before switching.
- Currently Korean teams are massively under funded - There are very few Korean sponsors associated with SC2 - There is very few tournaments in Korea, and in turn very little prize money (prize is high, distribution is low) - SC2 is internationally based, therefore the costs of running a team rises, as flight, hotel, accommodation all needed to be taken into context, unlike BW, which is centralized in Korea. - There are already teams based on nostalgia to BW, this market is all but closed, Slayers is the most obvious, but oGs is another relevant team with a past in BW (Nada~~~) - SC2 tournament results are volatile because the game is easier than BW. In BW, the best player (or the player with the best strategy and execution) won, in sc2 there is the volatile PvP matchup, ZvZ Matchup, and the fact that mechanics are easier allowing for someone like HuK, IdrA, Stephano, all b teamers or worse in their past games, win championships.
I mean, they might switch if BW really is suffering over there, but lets be honest, sc2 in korea isnt a very friendly market.
Even if some of your points are good, you never ever watched wc3 did you ? (offtopic I know, but bashing with false information is stupid :>) OT: Why would they switch computer now ? Because sc2 is not a flop at all. There is much more money now, internationally ofc, than in broodwar, so this is a logical move and was expected since the beginning.
Did you ever watch wc3? Because if you did you would probably recognize my name. I managed multiple leagues that Stephano played in, as well as followed the french scene, and Millenium very closely...Thanks for trying to call me out though, I can tell by your France flag that you think Stephano was a class A wc3 player, when in reality he was always behind ToD, even when ToD was retired. And was always behind demuslim, Xyligan, and even near the end of wc3, yAws and many other European human players.
Hell even on M he was behind the Koreans, by a massively huge margin.
All this is fine and dandy, but you've failed to explain how all this is even loosely connected to KT getting SC2 ready rigs. So what if the scene in volatile(I'd argue it's far less so than you make it out to be but this is not the place), there are evidently money to be made for the top players in the scene and there's a huge international following. For a BW that's looking to evolve and expand it's brand, putting together a SC2 squad to dabble in the new game seems to be a very reasonable decission.
Perhaps they see the potential in a KeSPA sanctioned SC2 Proleague or OSL, fueled by an enormous global hype and interest. Perhaps they see that this combo could potentially be very profitable in the future.
That you think SC2 is a shit game is completely irrelevant to this topic, atleast try to make a valid point.
The fact you contort me thinking sc2 is easy, to sc2 being shit, means that your obvious bias to replying to me is obvious beyond belief, but ill humour you anyways.
Why, when the Korean scene has no money, arent gaining grounds on sponsors, and are having a hard time keeping teams intact, would it be a good move to venture into an area that has limited/international only exposure, and very little kick back in terms of prize winning. International tournaments aside from brand recognition arent worth to travel to, and GSL is such a hard tournament to enter, even top (sc2) Koreans complain about the set-up.
Now sure, there are other rumours being pushed forward about Kespa Pro League etc etc, but until they substantiate as something real, i'll treat them as they are, rumours, and use evidence to prove my point, rather than guess work.
Well then, you're obviously in the wrong thread because guess work is the very essence of this thread. It's about more or less educated guesses what these SC2 friendly rigs will be used for. There are other threads for you if you wish to discuss things based on evidence but you'll find none of that here.
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