Edit2: No, I am not trolling guys. This thread is NOT a suggestion to change the artwork of the Swarm Host, it is an investigation out of personal interest on the number of people here that suffer from this and how many of them experience the Swarm Host as disturbing due to the holes. I find the numbers and serious responses pretty intriguing actually. Please stop with the "let's remove x too!" reactions. They have been made many times by now and don't contribute to this topic. Start your own topic to see if players have blue-flame-phobia or whatever. See my reaction elsewhere in this topic for a more detailed explanation about this thread, it's on page 8.
Edit: README, I'm quite amazed at some of the reactions in this topic. So far, the polls point out that over 1 out of 10 players is actually disgusted by the Swarm Host artwork. I would say that is a pretty high percentage. Also, please refrain from trolling with all kinds of phobias. This thing is REAL and people do suffer from it. If that upsets you, then I'm sorry. But please don't waste your time by trolling this thread. -------------------------------------- Original post:
It seems a few people on TL mentioned that they can't bear to watch the Swarm Host. It triggers a fear called "Trypophobia". After a search on TL there seem to be more people who suffer from this. It made me wonder, is the Swarm Host a case of unfortunate artwork?
What is Trypophobia?
The irrational fear of clusters of holes, pods, circles, cracks, and/or other asymmestrical shapes which results in an all-over itchy feeling and a general uneasiness.
First, do the test and see if you can make it till the end of the video:
Poll: Did you make it till the end of the video?
Yes, no problem (1776)
66%
Yes, but it was kinda uncomfortable (609)
23%
No, I had to stop watching at some point/had to scratch due to itches (296)
11%
2681 total votes
Your vote: Did you make it till the end of the video?
(Vote): Yes, no problem (Vote): Yes, but it was kinda uncomfortable (Vote): No, I had to stop watching at some point/had to scratch due to itches
You can report your experiences (eg how far you made it) in this thread.
Now take a look at the swarm host:
Poll: Are you disgusted by the Swarm Host's holes on its back?
No (1901)
77%
Yes (568)
23%
2469 total votes
Your vote: Are you disgusted by the Swarm Host's holes on its back?
Personally I found the Trypophobia video uncomfortable to watch, but I made it. The Swarm Host seems kind of innocent though. I don't have problems with its artwork although I do think the unit looks a bit weird.
No, I didn't make it till the end because I got bored. I have no problems with the current artwork. Not that I would mind if they changed it because it looks kinda lame to me.
I'd prefer Lurker artwork. and maybe instead of the things that it sends out, it can shoot like, spines or something. And since Zerg doesn't have a lot of AOE, maybe these "spines" could do AEO damage of some sort.
In all seriousness though, yeah its kind of disturbing when I think about it, but if I don't its ok.
No, just because a few people don't like the art of something, doesn't mean it has to be changed for everyone. People are weirded out by all kind of things.
I suppose they should get rid of spider mines in BW due to arachnophobia as well as cliffs and air units due to acrophobia?
Also the video you posted seems like a stretch compared to what we see in the blizzard unit. Zoom in and out of anything that doesn't even have to have holes in dead silence and it comes of as a little creepy.
Play another race and kill those bastards!! Show them who's boss and combat your phobia that way. But in all seriousness, I don't mind it. It's probably pretty rare to be bothered by the unit.
I can understand where your coming from but it didnt bother me personally. I think the new swarm host looks ok, a bit silly maybe so they might change it to something a bit more badass, and less Trypophobia-ish
Suddenly, in a pro game, the Terran scans in front of his base and starts to scratch his skin like crazy... That's facing the gross and disgusting zerg for you !
On October 24 2011 20:29 B.I.G. wrote: there are also people with agoraphobia (fear of large open spaces among other things), does that mean blizzard cant make large open maps anymore?
Except agoraphobia would require you to be a unit in the map, not watching other units on map.
On October 24 2011 20:29 B.I.G. wrote: there are also people with agoraphobia (fear of large open spaces among other things), does that mean blizzard cant make large open maps anymore?
There ARE no large open maps in ladder. /signed: zerg
I'm disgusted by the arrogance coming from such as kids here.. ("this topic make's not sense at all", "lol how can one be scared if the art design is so shitty", etc..
Somehow I doubt that blizzard will change art because of a disease defined by urban dictionary. People get fidgety with the video because it's disgusting, not because of some disease.
I forced myself to go all the way through the video. It was boring and I had to resist the urge to watch something else but I made it no poblem.
The Swarm Host does look gross but that doesn't bother me none. If they changed the artwork to make it more appealing and less nasty that would be OK with me too. I voted double no for the last two polls
The person who introduced me to starcraft couldn't play zerg, because he was phobic of the noises that the hatchery/eggs made. Not sure why. He still played, though.
I also had a friend who couldn't play starcraft at all because he was phobic of blood, and there was no way to turn off the bloodshed back then. Even virtual blood made him vomit at the sight of it.
This phobia is a little more niche, and honestly, isnt that big of a deal.
Besides, holy butts people, they're the zerg. Thank god they finally got a unit that can scare SOME percentage of the populace.
ugghhhh, that video is so disgusting, not because of the holes, but because of all the open wounds and blatantly 'wrong' humans with bizarre wounds and such that make me feel like throwing up now
omg, this is what I was thinking when I saw the design.
Sometimes even when mass zerglings burrowed then unburrowed give me a bit of scare as well but if you are playing fast and not concentrating on the units, I think it will be ok
from 2:00 onward, that is when things get real bad for me, that japanese girl always scared the crap out of me
I didn't make it through the video because of itches and such (stopped at around ~1:30) but I have no problem with the unit design. Though, should there be a problem I don't see why we need to keep this design, sure it's cool but if it prevents people from playing it then I don't like it.
On October 24 2011 20:46 SomeONEx wrote: I didn't make it through the video because of itches and such (stopped at around ~1:30) but I have no problem with the unit design. Though, should there be a problem I don't see why we need to keep this design, sure it's cool but if it prevents people from playing it then I don't like it.
If you're having itches due to made up phobias on youtube videos it probably means you need a shower and maybe changing your clothes.
It seems a few people on TL mentioned that they can't bear to watch the Swarm Host. It triggers a fear called "Trypophobia".
So how can these people bear watching a spore crawler shooting and spores/spines as well as about all zerg units burrow and unburrowing? Stuff hatching from eggs/cocoons? Morphing buildings, building animations in general like the spawning pool? Nydus worm? Creep tumors? A lot of small geysirs, holes and other natural formations on maps...
Okay, maybe the line of stuff triggering fear X is thin, but I'm pretty sure there is a fear out there for every single zerg unit in this game and possibly for ever terran and protoss unit as well. If one of 10 million suffers that specific fear, I'm afraid he's out of luck. If they removed everything from the game that caused some kind of phobia there probably wouldn't be a game at all.
I got as far as the wasp/bee (might not even have been a Wasp/bee, just looked enough like one to freak me out).... i have a massive fear (not phobia as my fear is rational lol) of Wasps and Bees as i got stung about 50 times in 30 seconds as a child.
On October 24 2011 20:37 Phenrock wrote: I think it's different when it's on actual human skin, it's bloody freaking!
Compared to the Swarm Host, it's more cartoony. Swarm Host design is fine.
Basically this. Human skin diseases and stuff like that is digusting (for me) i.e. worms crawling from small holes in the skin. Or purulent/festering skin. I had no problem with i.e. the frog thingy, or honeycombs.
I personally thought the test was quite bad since it could trigger a lot of different "phobias" (worms, insects, amphibia, ...).
Anyone here scared of death? I think we should take units getting removed and dying animations out because some of us fear death and know even with no death animation that the unit died.
For anyone that watched the video and saw the fingers: It's the mouth of a Lamprey photoshopped onto two fingers. No, that guy did not do something horrible to his fingers to get them to look like that, they're fake. The first time someone showed me that picture it upset me so badly I vomited and seriously contemplated suicide for an hour or two.
To answer your question, no, the art shouldn't be changed. My mom literally can't look at the screen because zerg remind her of little bugs running around and creep literally freaks her out. People like this just shouldn't play games. I seriously doubt itching is going to cause them to lose a game anyway.
I don't have problems with the design. But if there are members of the community who has this phobia, then blizzard should change it to make all players comfortable. I mean overall this change isn't that big a deal for blizzard to implement anyway =\
I wasn't even aware of this phobia until earlier today when my friend linked me to a thing about it and the Swarm Host on Reddit :S. I don't have a problem with the design but it is kinda disgusting, which I suppose is what Zerg is meant to be, but if some people have serious problems just looking at it then I would support changing the design.
On October 24 2011 20:48 FeiLing wrote:Okay, maybe the line of stuff triggering fear X is thin, but I'm pretty sure there is a fear out there for every single zerg unit in this game and possibly for ever terran and protoss unit as well. If one of 10 million suffers that specific fear, I'm afraid he's out of luck. If they removed everything from the game that caused some kind of phobia there probably wouldn't be a game at all.
Video game phobia. I agree with you if this bugs those people they can go play farmville
lol this topic is ridiculous. maybe blizzard should take the zerg race out of the game so it's more enjoyable for people who suffer from a phobia of insects or something...
On October 24 2011 20:26 MShaw006 wrote: I didn't watch the first video to the end not because i'm afraid of holes, but because it was fucking disgusting.
I'm sorry but the OP is just bad.Many people would react badly to the video because of the last images. Not because of any phobia but because maggots eating in someones flesh cause a reaction in humans. You can't punch a hole through your arm, show it to your friend and diagnose a phobia of holes because he goes batshit crazy.
If it's unpleasant to watch that video does not mean you have phobia lol. If you really have problem in watching swarm host then go to doctor or don't play sc2.
Geez, if people are scared of a multitude of holes, you don't want to see 100 banelings burrow, then pop out and roll away. The pits they leave can be disturbing.
Certainly don't have a phobia related to holes etc but that one picture of the two fingers with holes in them was pretty fucking sick/strange. Although it's 100% Photoshopped, still is freaky.
On October 24 2011 20:59 Terrifyer wrote: i'm scared of marines with rifles
Ok, everyone now put your favorite thing you are scared of in SC2 so we have great fun and we can talk about phobias from anything. Such unmannered and immature comunity this is..
its really creepy but more the how they spawn things for me ... but that is zerg . Wouldn't be cool if they weren't creepy o.o. And there is a phobia for everything, so someone is afraid of the color purple should we ban the color purple out of the game ? If they would do it they wouldn't be able to make a game.
On October 24 2011 20:59 Terrifyer wrote: i'm scared of marines with rifles
Ok, everyone now put your favorite thing you are scared of in SC2 so we have great fun and we can talk about phobias from anything. Such unmannered and immature comunity this is..
oh look at me im so mature! i've no sense of humor!
On October 24 2011 20:59 Terrifyer wrote: i'm scared of marines with rifles
Ok, everyone now put your favorite thing you are scared of in SC2 so we have great fun and we can talk about phobias from anything. Such unmannered and immature comunity this is..
oh look at me im so mature! i've no sense of humor!
You really think it's humorous to make fun of something that causes suffering to people? You better think of what you write and where you write it.. If you feel absolute need to troll something or someone, please, just leave..
On October 24 2011 20:59 Terrifyer wrote: i'm scared of marines with rifles
Ok, everyone now put your favorite thing you are scared of in SC2 so we have great fun and we can talk about phobias from anything. Such unmannered and immature comunity this is..
oh look at me im so mature! i've no sense of humor!
You really think it's humorous to make fun of something that causes suffering to people? You better think of what you write and where you write it.. If you feel absolute need to troll something or someone, please, just leave..
Yeah it's fucking hilarious you little pussy. Get the shit out of the internet
On October 24 2011 20:59 Terrifyer wrote: i'm scared of marines with rifles
Ok, everyone now put your favorite thing you are scared of in SC2 so we have great fun and we can talk about phobias from anything. Such unmannered and immature comunity this is..
oh look at me im so mature! i've no sense of humor!
You really think it's humorous to make fun of something that causes suffering to people? You better think of what you write and where you write it.. If you feel absolute need to troll something or someone, please, just leave..
what doesnt cause suffering to people ? are we all supposed to cry ? dude... chill
On October 24 2011 21:04 marttorn wrote: All these phobias are silly, and none of them measure up to the terrifying anatideaphobia
The fear that a duck is watching you from somewhere. I haven't slept for days.
Made me chuckle!
And is this a real phobia? I got bored by the video but I didn't get any itchy feelings. Seems really weird to me that anyone would get that, no disrespect.
But the swarm host looks fine to me, I like the spawning from it, they look squiggly :D
On October 24 2011 20:59 Terrifyer wrote: i'm scared of marines with rifles
Ok, everyone now put your favorite thing you are scared of in SC2 so we have great fun and we can talk about phobias from anything. Such unmannered and immature comunity this is..
oh look at me im so mature! i've no sense of humor!
You really think it's humorous to make fun of something that causes suffering to people? You better think of what you write and where you write it.. If you feel absolute need to troll something or someone, please, just leave..
what doesnt cause suffering to people ? are we all supposed to cry ? dude... chill
You are at least not supposed to troll with stupid comments a topic, that clearly isn't made to get fun out of it..
Watched the first video, wasn't disgusted at all but now I feel itchy, not sure if its because I was thinking about being itchy the whole way through the video of not.
Should a minority kill a perfectly good unit design ?
This.
/thread
If you have some strange phobia of holes; then I guess you'll be needing to overcome it if you'd like to use this unit.
On October 24 2011 21:07 Everlong wrote:You really think it's humorous to make fun of something that causes suffering to people? You better think of what you write and where you write it.. If you feel absolute need to troll something or someone, please, just leave..
If you really felt uncomfortable then good job; exposure is an important step towards recovery. If you just play 10-15 games of SC2 each day then in a few weeks you'll be cured.
i have to say if you think 10-15% is much, i have to disagree hard! normaly such polls have like 60-40 etc % its just alot trolls and alot "meh" players
i think more people are scared of spiders, so no more spider ingame ?
On October 24 2011 21:04 marttorn wrote: All these phobias are silly, and none of them measure up to the terrifying anatideaphobia
The fear that a duck is watching you from somewhere. I haven't slept for days.
Made me chuckle!
And is this a real phobia? I got bored by the video but I didn't get any itchy feelings. Seems really weird to me that anyone would get that, no disrespect.
Nope. It's from the (incredible) cartoon The Far Side, by Gary Larson.
I actually had no idea this existed and I now know I have this :S Well its very mild altho i get a bit of a tingle on my cheeks when i see something like this. i can live with it, but its not thatttt nice
Isn't that supposed to be part of the design? I honestly feel kinda sad that Zerg units lack that design on SC2(as opposed to BW, where each cerebrate would make me want to throw up).
There is a fancy disease for every aspect pussy-ness these days. Just man up, guys ... seriously ... it's not like zerg are supposed to be not disgusting.
On October 24 2011 21:33 RoyalCheese wrote: There is a fancy disease for every aspect pussy-ness these days. Just man up, guys ... seriously ... it's not like zerg are supposed to be not disgusting.
Hehe, I recognized immediately that the swarm host was going to be trouble, because I'd heard about that phobia before. I myself have seen pictures of pods etc that made me sick, but in the case of the swarm guardian I just felt a slight unease.
edit: to everyone saying "man up": it's a phobia, not a rational fear. It's a like a tick, you can't help it, and I don't think anyone should have to quit the game because one of the new units cause them to pass out.
On October 24 2011 21:33 RoyalCheese wrote: There is a fancy disease for every aspect pussy-ness these days. Just man up, guys ... seriously ... it's not like zerg are supposed to be not disgusting.
I agree, seriously guys this a game...
gosh you are clueless about how a phobia works yes?
Yes, your poll is most conclusive and Blizzard should promptly take action and revamp their months work to appease your worries. A pretty high percentage, yes.
So tell, nobody who fears this, fears say Infested Terrans?...
Stupid thread and stupid phobia to be honest, this is just something that generally creeps most people out just like that guy who photoshopped a behive+larve on some womans breasts aswell as added a quite colorfull parasite story behind it and people believed it.
Point is; This like just about anything zerg has can be "phobius" or even worse if you just find some real life replica and write something very creepy to go in hand with it. Doesn't mean it IS a scary or disgusting design.
On October 24 2011 21:37 Osmoses wrote: Hehe, I recognized immediately that the swarm host was going to be trouble, because I'd heard about that phobia before. I myself have seen pictures of pods etc that made me sick, but in the case of the swarm guardian I just felt a slight unease.
edit: to everyone saying "man up": it's a phobia, not a rational fear. It's a like a tick, you can't help it, and I don't think anyone should have to quit the game because one of the new units cause them to pass out.
Listen - the whole point IS to man up. Face your fears. I am afraid of heights, but you don't see me not daring go upstairs, or look over a cliff's edge. I hate and "fear" spiders, but I just kill'em. I'm the bigger animal, I'll just handle it.
Man up, face your fears, get over it. Why should the rest of the world be punished for your irrational(!!) fears?
I watched 10 secs of the video and stopped. I didn't itch or anything, nor did I hate it or anything, I just don't like how bad it looks lol. What irritates me isn't the cracks or anything like that, it is just that the Swarm host has pods growing on its back that pop and they grow again and pop :/ Just weird but that is Zerg for you. I wouldn't mind a rework though. But I'll still buy the game. That won't stop me.
On October 24 2011 21:33 RoyalCheese wrote: There is a fancy disease for every aspect pussy-ness these days. Just man up, guys ... seriously ... it's not like zerg are supposed to be not disgusting.
You might have a good point about people needing to "get over it" since it is just a cartooney game... However, you are really really ignorant if you are actually one of those wannabe-macho dudes that doesn't believe in science/medical problems because it's "weak". I'm sure you have a nice set of well-educated opinions on disease and what should or should not count as disease, but really, save it for the experts when it comes to deciding what is or what isn't a real medical condition. You come off as pretty offensive and ignorant if you go on bashing problems that people might have.
Achluophobia- Fear of darkness. - remove dark maps Acousticophobia- Fear of noise. - remove noisy stuff Agrizoophobia- Fear of wild animals. - remove critters Aichmophobia- Fear of needles or pointed objects. - remove spikes from zergs Allodoxaphobia- Fear of opinions. - dont give your opinion on this post Amathophobia- Fear of dust. - remove dusty maps Androphobia- Fear of men. - remove all mens Arithmophobia- Fear of numbers. - remove all numbers Arsonphobia- Fear of fire. - remove all fire Asymmetriphobia- Fear of asymmetrical things. - remove asymmetrical stuff... Astrophobia- Fear of stars or celestial space. - remove all stars and stuff...
and this is just the start it goes from A to Z so.. i think you guys get the point.
This is a phobia that started to spread when, back in the 4chan days, people were shopping lotus seeds holes on limbs. Some find images of that kind disgusting. I find it absurd that it evolved this way, with people stating that they are afraid of clustered holes.
It's one of those fears that people have only when they've read or heard about it. It's more than an irrational phobia. It's a self induced phobia.
Every zerg unit is disgusting to me. But I understand some people may have problems with swarm host, if anything's stupid here, it's people calling other people with phobias "pussies".
On October 24 2011 21:33 RoyalCheese wrote: There is a fancy disease for every aspect pussy-ness these days. Just man up, guys ... seriously ... it's not like zerg are supposed to be not disgusting.
You might have a good point about people needing to "get over it" since it is just a cartooney game... However, you are really really ignorant if you are actually one of those wannabe-macho dudes that doesn't believe in science/medical problems because it's "weak". I'm sure you have a nice set of well-educated opinions on disease and what should or should not count as disease, but really, save it for the experts when it comes to deciding what is or what isn't a real medical condition. You come off as pretty offensive and ignorant if you go on bashing problems that people might have.
Well, i just think these 'diseases' would be called weakness hundred years ago. I do in fact dislike / fear a lot of things...for example i have a phobia of psychos with axes (thanks QI). Anyway i just hate this whiny ass society that blames everything on something/somebody else without actually trying to overcome it's problems that we live in and sometimes it leaks through. Either way, people should just get over it.
I saw this topic coming after browsing /v/ and seeing everyone compare those lotus holes to the Swarm Host. Lots of people are absolutely disgusted by the things in that video including myself but I think the unit is tame enough.
These purple things inside the holes were way more disgusting, other than that it's ok.
I remember in WoW there was area that had some infected bears that had spider eggs attached to them, that was really disgusting, I ran away from there and canceled all the quests from that area
On October 24 2011 21:48 GizmoPT wrote: Lets see...
Achluophobia- Fear of darkness. - remove dark maps Acousticophobia- Fear of noise. - remove noisy stuff Agrizoophobia- Fear of wild animals. - remove critters Aichmophobia- Fear of needles or pointed objects. - remove spikes from zergs Allodoxaphobia- Fear of opinions. - dont give your opinion on this post Amathophobia- Fear of dust. - remove dusty maps Androphobia- Fear of men. - remove all mens Arithmophobia- Fear of numbers. - remove all numbers Arsonphobia- Fear of fire. - remove all fire Asymmetriphobia- Fear of asymmetrical things. - remove asymmetrical stuff... Astrophobia- Fear of stars or celestial space. - remove all stars and stuff...
and this is just the start it goes from A to Z so.. i think you guys get the point.
That's the smartest thing I've read in all this thread. Not denying some people suffer from the phobia the OP described, all kinds of people suffer from all kinds of phobia and you can't please everybody, especially for a phobia which is not widespread.
If you really need a more precise exemple, I'm pretty sure a lot more people are afraid of spiders then holes, yet a lot of games and movies have spiders in them.
Edit :also OP you made a mistake, your description of the phobia indicates "fear" of the swarm host design, your poll asks if it "disgusts" you, two very different feelings. I can find the noises zerg units make in the game or their design disgusting but they don't make me uneasy or fear them.
I'm disgusted by swarm host's holes on the back, it would be nice if blizzard would change it.
I have seen a pic that would very likely make most people in this thread feel disgusted about holes, it pretty much traumatized me, and I'm sure anyone who've been to [a/ knows what i'm talking about.
There is one particular phobia that can REALLY hurt SC2: LADDERPHOBIA!
If you are afraid of something, do you want to live with this fear for the rest of your life? Don't be a pussy and fight it!
I used to be kind of arachnophobic but i fought my fear an kicked it's ass! Now i'm fascinated by spider's nature and how many species of them actually exist
On October 24 2011 22:06 iky43210 wrote: I'm disgusted by swarm host's holes on the back, it would be nice if blizzard would change it.
I have seen a pic that would very likely make most people in this thread feel disgusted about holes, it pretty much traumatized me, and I'm sure anyone who've been to [a/ knows what i'm talking about.
Again, disgusted and fear are totally different things. Hell if it was about disgusted they should remove the whole freaking zerg race.
On October 24 2011 20:38 Everlong wrote: I'm disgusted by the arrogance coming from such as kids here.. ("this topic make's not sense at all", "lol how can one be scared if the art design is so shitty", etc..
We know you´re disgusted, but are you phobic about it? You think Blizzard and TL could have an alternative skin for the foruns, in which there would be no arrogant kids? I do...
BTW, I do think the Swarm Host is disturbing. But I like this (still it could be more polished...). An alternative skin should be enough, since noone will notice this on streams and progames.
And the warhound is awesome! It seems junky, improvised, cheap, and haves a War Pig logo in its shield! Very SC1 Terran. They used to feel rusty (they actually scavenged destroyed buildings). Warhound feels rusty. It is as stupid and anti-epic as having an unit that is a man on a motorcycle :D Pretty cyberpunk,
I am still unsure whether this is a serious topic, i want to give a fellow TLer the benefit of doubt but its so far out there that it is hard to believe.
There are phobias for pretty much everything, in this game we have men getting cut up by blades, psionic storms killing groups of people, green bomb like bugs exploding on innocent workers, we got "zerg creep" which looks like burnt skin, Zerg in general is gross
And that is the point, they have several characteristics of insects, that is not to say they are insectoid (they arent) they simple assimilate the strongest and develop them into their own.
If you developed this phobia from 4chan, then i am pretty sure you have seen far far worse things that a unit in a RTS videogame wont cause you any problems.
It baffles me that people go to "shock" sites and have their "lulz" going on, yet are trying to pose a argument that a videogame with quite cartoony graphics is too much.
Regular clusters of holes are no problem for me. The photoshopped fingertips with holes that surfaced a few years back, on the other hand, creeped me out to an extreme extent.
Wouldn't pretty much any phobia related to insects apply to the zerg? You can't redesign a game because a tiny minority has a phobia (that by the way can be overcome).
I watched the vid and had no itch. It was pretty disguisting at times but I didn't feel threatened by it.
i was unaware that such thing exists, and if someone would have just brought it up i would have told him to cut the bullshit, and dont make things up, what the hell
I was just thinking, if people trully have this phobia, Blizzard can just have a different creature skin for them, just like the is the collector's edition Thor.
On October 24 2011 22:06 iky43210 wrote: I'm disgusted by swarm host's holes on the back, it would be nice if blizzard would change it.
I have seen a pic that would very likely make most people in this thread feel disgusted about holes, it pretty much traumatized me, and I'm sure anyone who've been to [a/ knows what i'm talking about.
Again, disgusted and fear are totally different things. Hell if it was about disgusted they should remove the whole freaking zerg race.
judging by the polls, maybe it is something Blizzard worth looking into? When you have 15% of the ppl that are repulsed by it, maybe its time to offer an alternative
I'm also disgusted by spiders, but seeing it on pc or in a cartoonish graphics does not generate the same chilly / hair up response as I have by looking at those holes. I know plenty of people have the same kind of feelings when I first saw the swarm host preview. Not surprised at all to see a thread about it
If you are afraid of something, do you want to live with this fear for the rest of your life? Don't be a pussy and fight it!
I used to be kind of arachnophobic but i fought my fear an kicked it's ass! Now i'm fascinated by spider's nature and how many species of them actually exist
That´s actually how Bruce Wayne became the Spiderman.
On October 24 2011 22:24 Sbrubbles wrote: I was just thinking, if people trully have this phobia, Blizzard can just have a different creature skin for them, just like the is the collector's edition Thor.
If they do that the next group of people with phobia X will demand that Y changes, and.. No, I find it hard to believe that OP is serious.
Wow, with all due respect, it brought me on a awesome idea; since the name Swarm Host isn't appreciated by quite some people. How about we call this unit the Trypophobilisk from now on?
On topic: A small comparison. Has any game developer ever removed spiders cause of arachnophobia?
On October 24 2011 22:19 Tyree wrote: I am still unsure whether this is a serious topic, i want to give a fellow TLer the benefit of doubt but its so far out there that it is hard to believe.
Yes I'm serious. As I'm studying psychology I found this really interesting. I remember that as a kid in the era of the Commodore 64, certain graphical bugs in games would cause me to freak out. The particular phobia in this thread was mentioned elsewhere on TL and that's what inspired me to open this thread.
It saddens me how many people react with all their "let's remove x from the game since that may relate to a phobia as well"-posts. The reason for this poll was to gauge the percentage of players that actually have trouble with this and the Swarm Host in particular. I'm trying to get some number figure here to see how many people actually would want different artwork for the Swarm Host as they are disturbed by its current appearance. I find the percentages on the high side, even while taking into account that this is just some internet poll. There are quite some responses of people in this thread that are actually relating to this phobia, it is real.
Actually, I am not suggesting anything regarding the Swarm Host artwork, I'm merely investigating. But figuring that out requires actually reading the OP and I can obviously not expect that from most people posting in here..
On October 24 2011 22:30 ZaaaaaM wrote: They need to remove the marines gunsound as it might trigger fear from ppl who have been in war. That would just be as retarded as this.
I'm totally fine with the artwork but wow, at least I now have a name for, what I thought was just a rather quaint distaste to clusters of small cracks on skin. I recall seeing a woman one time at an airport and her arm literally looked like a cracked dry lake, I nearly puked at the time. Feels so weird talking about it now.
Well some of the stuff in the video makes me feel a little bit weird, but the thing with the swarm host and other zerg units is that they are contained within a game and they don't look sufficiently real to bother me at all. Also, with regards to the itching part, I have an extremely hard time going more than a few minutes without scratching some part of my body (head, face, arms, hands, etc.) regardless of the circumstances; sometimes I wonder if there's something wrong with me.
What does Trypophobia have to do with parasitic diseases?
Of course people aren't going to enjoy watching that video. It's not testing if you can handle this:
"The irrational fear of clusters of holes, pods, circles, cracks, and/or other asymmestrical shapes which results in an all-over itchy feeling and a general uneasiness."
Its testing whether or not you enjoy seeing things growing inside of other people. Notice how almost every single piece in the "test" was a VIDEO and was of a LIVING THING. What does that have to do with Trypophobia?
On October 24 2011 22:30 ZaaaaaM wrote: They need to remove the marines gunsound as it might trigger fear from ppl who have been in war. That would just be as retarded as this.
Not only does this get my vote, its actually a very much more real complaint than the OP.
Still can't tell if OP trolling, but nobody is changing the damn art, besides for artistic reasons.
What the hell is wrong with you people? A phobia is an irrational fear of something, no matter how stupid it is. People with stupid phobias know that they fear stupid things but they can't help it. Actually having a phobia about a stupid thing is even more humilliating. I'm not creeped out at all by watching the video but I can empathize with people that may fear that sort of stuff. Yeah, everyone knows that your moms told you you're the strongest little boys in the world, now can you stop acting like little shits?
On October 24 2011 22:33 Betalump wrote: What does Trypophobia have to do with parasitic diseases?
Of course people aren't going to enjoy watching that video. It's not testing if you can handle this:
"The irrational fear of clusters of holes, pods, circles, cracks, and/or other asymmestrical shapes which results in an all-over itchy feeling and a general uneasiness."
Its testing whether or not you enjoy seeing things growing inside of other people. Notice how almost every single piece in the "test" was a VIDEO and was of a LIVING THING. What does that have to do with Trypophobia?
All it tests is wether you feel itches yourself or not. Not wether you are grossed out or not.
On October 24 2011 22:34 GrungyMunchy wrote: What the hell is wrong with you people? A phobia is an irrational fear of something, no matter how stupid it is. People with stupid phobias know that they fear stupid things but they can't help it. Actually having a phobia about a stupid thing is even more humilliating. I'm not creeped out at all by watching the video but I can empathize with people that may fear that sort of stuff. Yeah, everyone knows that your moms told you you're the strongest little boys in the world, now can you stop acting like little shits?
The problem is the damn video he put up isn't about this fucking phobia at all. Its about misleading with you fucking PARASITES in an effort to creep you out. Read the post a few above mine, it nailed it perfectly. The entire OP was DESIGNED to skew data and get people to agree with him, and he still BARELY got 10%.
On October 24 2011 22:34 GrungyMunchy wrote: What the hell is wrong with you people? A phobia is an irrational fear of something, no matter how stupid it is. People with stupid phobias know that they fear stupid things but they can't help it. Actually having a phobia about a stupid thing is even more humilliating. I'm not creeped out at all by watching the video but I can empathize with people that may fear that sort of stuff. Yeah, everyone knows that your moms told you you're the strongest little boys in the world, now can you stop acting like little shits?
The problem is the damn video he put up isn't about this fucking phobia at all. Its about misleading with you fucking PARASITES in an effort to creep you out. Read the post a few above mine, it nailed it perfectly. The entire OP was DESIGNED to skew data and get people to agree with him, and he still BARELY got 10%.
math is not your strong suite isn't it.
Anyway, since OP is a psy student, you don't know what he's testing for and what data he is truly collecting
don't have too much of a problem with the current design, although i don't like it that much. I definitely have that phobia though, thanks for naming it for me!
While I think the swarm host art looks kinda clunky and believe it should be refined considerably, the idea that the artwork should be changed because people get creeped out by a zerg unit is terrible.
On October 24 2011 22:34 GrungyMunchy wrote: What the hell is wrong with you people? A phobia is an irrational fear of something, no matter how stupid it is. People with stupid phobias know that they fear stupid things but they can't help it. Actually having a phobia about a stupid thing is even more humilliating. I'm not creeped out at all by watching the video but I can empathize with people that may fear that sort of stuff. Yeah, everyone knows that your moms told you you're the strongest little boys in the world, now can you stop acting like little shits?
The problem is the damn video he put up isn't about this fucking phobia at all. Its about misleading with you fucking PARASITES in an effort to creep you out. Read the post a few above mine, it nailed it perfectly. The entire OP was DESIGNED to skew data and get people to agree with him, and he still BARELY got 10%.
math is not your strong suite isn't it.
Anyway, since OP is a psy student, you don't know what he's testing for and what data he is truly collecting
I hadn't looked at the op for a while. Pardon me, 16%, don't be so anal. And while we're on the topic, its suit. Not suite. And its "is it?" not isn't it.
If OP really was a psy student, he wouldn't have told us the reaction he was testing for before posting the video.
You NEVER do that, its already made his results invalid.
Post video, without ANY pretense, then ask question the question. Its commonly supported that when people "know" what kind of reaction they're supposed to have, they will have that reaction whether they really do or not.
If you have a phobia relating to anything like insects, holes or reproduction; hell just don't play zerg... I don't see the problem. It's kind of disturbing to see the wounded fingers, but wounds are not supposed to look sexy, they are something that needs attention in order to heal properly. The artwork was obviously inspired by nature, DUH, all zerg units are somewhere inspired by nature.
Is the Swarm Host supposed to creep people out? Yes. Does that make the design bad? No of course not, it's hitting it spot on. Personally I also think the way the Swarm Host walks is really cute (scuttle, scuttle). It reminds me of parasect the pokemon xD
On October 24 2011 22:44 Callynn wrote: If you have a phobia relating to anything like insects, holes or reproduction; hell just don't play zerg... I don't see the problem. It's kind of disturbing to see the wounded fingers, but wounds are not supposed to look sexy, they are something that needs attention in order to heal properly. The artwork was obviously inspired by nature, DUH, all zerg units are somewhere inspired by nature.
Is the Swarm Host supposed to creep people out? Yes. Does that make the design bad? No of course not, it's hitting it spot on. Personally I also think the way the Swarm Host walks is really cute (scuttle, scuttle). It reminds me of parasect the pokemon xD
Totally agreed. I have a friend who doesn't play zerg cuz he gets grossed out by the zerg sounds. Does he complain on forums? Nope, he just doesn't play zerg. I play zerg BECAUSE of the design of it's unit and I love it. Playing a "insect" type of race is just how I roll.
Also, please remove creep tumors because it's too emotional for cancer patients. And the Queen because it's offending to Republicans. You have people inside those SCV's? Didn't you think about how claustrophobics must feel about it, how rude! I'm happy SC2 doesn't have spider mines, I have aragnofobia and couldn't play SC1 because of that.
While we're at it let's include coloring the in-game blood black, along with the removal of smoking references and "vulgar" language. Oh wait...
On October 24 2011 22:34 GrungyMunchy wrote: What the hell is wrong with you people? A phobia is an irrational fear of something, no matter how stupid it is. People with stupid phobias know that they fear stupid things but they can't help it. Actually having a phobia about a stupid thing is even more humilliating. I'm not creeped out at all by watching the video but I can empathize with people that may fear that sort of stuff. Yeah, everyone knows that your moms told you you're the strongest little boys in the world, now can you stop acting like little shits?
The problem is the damn video he put up isn't about this fucking phobia at all. Its about misleading with you fucking PARASITES in an effort to creep you out. Read the post a few above mine, it nailed it perfectly. The entire OP was DESIGNED to skew data and get people to agree with him, and he still BARELY got 10%.
math is not your strong suite isn't it.
Anyway, since OP is a psy student, you don't know what he's testing for and what data he is truly collecting
I hadn't looked at the op for a while. Pardon me, 16%, don't be so anal. And while we're on the topic, its suit. Not suite. And its "is it?" not isn't it.
If OP really was a psy student, he wouldn't have told us the reaction he was testing for before posting the video.
You NEVER do that, its already made his results invalid.
"isn't it" is perfectly fine, but yes it is indeed suit. Not that its such a grave mistakes or do I really care about Grammar since its not my primary language
That was an awful video if it was really supposed to be a test. I feel like the distinctiveness of a phobia as opposed to a rational fear is that those suffering from the phobia experience the anxiety and fear in situations that even only vaguely resemble threatening ones. Any rational person should experience discomfort seeing a video that explicitly shows parasites emerging from a host and artwork of leaches or whatever that was on a human body.
I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
by real you mean phobia defined by urban dictionary?? O_o
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
There are two ways to deal with a phobia:
1) Face it accumulative under professional support (this means, getting rid of the phobia for a ton of cash).
2) Avoid anything that instigates your phobia. This means: don't play the damn game if you don't like it. By the way, creep tumors are almost identical to the back of the Swarm Host.
I'm not saying phobia's aren't real or that people should make fun of people who have phobia's, but I am saying that this is melodramatic due to the game already having an aspect which instills this phobia, meaning that people that have it are not playing the game already. So this post is pointless.
While personally I don't have any issues with the artwork of the Swarm Host as it stands, this is actually an interesting train of thought to pursue, albeit with the level of trolling occurring here. (Seriously, if you feel like trolling take it to the Blizzard forums, no one really cares there.) There are a lot of crazy phobias people have and if, based on these polls 15% of people are kinda freaked out by it, maybe there might be justification for an artwork redesign. Overall, I commend you OP for bringing this topic up and as a man with an irrational fear himself thanks.
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
What a stupid thread. Yes, let us use a phobia from the URBAN DICTIONARY to try to change a perfectly good unit. I realize you can't please everyone, but this is a new level of lame. If you don't like the art just say it. Why must people hide behind smoke? Even if it is a real phobia the unit shouldn't be changed. Phobias are generally few and far between, and there is a phobia for almost everything.
^ Does this mean we need to rework overlords? Get real! (thanks MLG)
Anyone who has this "phobia" from the urban dictionary would already have trouble with SC2, so nothing is gained or lost.
On October 24 2011 22:40 GizmoPT wrote: so why isnt this a problem too ?
and look at this doodad filled with holes.. not a problem too ?
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
Are people serious? When i saw the swarm host in action I was so happy. Its actually gross, which zerg SHOULD be. I for one absolutely love the new artwork. And if you really have a problem with it I'm sure someone will make a texture mod for you. Clearly the majority of people have no problem with it.
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
Well, if people weren't trollign and answered correctly....then 10% of the user base really needs to seek professional help to get over this. Thats not trying to be insulting either.
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
this pool proves nothing since its all wrong..
15% of people say they are disgusted by it and 30% want it to change. What's "wrong" about it?
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
Well, if people weren't trollign and answered correctly....then 10% of the user base really needs to seek professional help to get over this. Thats not trying to be insulting either.
That's an extremely narrowminded and ignorant thing to say. Maybe it's not a major issue in their lives? Maybe it's not worth going through a long, and most likely, very expensive treatment to get over it. But they still don't want this shit in their favorite game.
"Man up and get over it" never was and never will be a real argument.
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
this pool proves nothing since its all wrong..
15% of people say they are disgusted by it and 30% want it to change. What's "wrong" about it?
because being disgusted is not the same as having a phobia.. you guys are insulting the guys that have real phobias
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
Well, if people weren't trollign and answered correctly....then 10% of the user base really needs to seek professional help to get over this. Thats not trying to be insulting either.
I'm sure you have irrational fears, why don't you get over them? What an incredibly ignorant and narrow-minded statement.
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
this pool proves nothing since its all wrong..
15% of people say they are disgusted by it and 30% want it to change. What's "wrong" about it?
because being disgusted is not the same as having a phobia.. you guys are insulting the guys that have real phobias
This, and not to mention I guarantee if you make a poll on this site saying does anyone want (insert new unit here) artworks redesigned because (some bullshit reason) you would get at least 10% to agree with you. I guarantee it.
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
this pool proves nothing since its all wrong..
15% of people say they are disgusted by it and 30% want it to change. What's "wrong" about it?
because being disgusted is not the same as having a phobia.. you guys are insulting the guys that have real phobias
phobias is having fear and not being disgusted
You don't need to have a phobia to feel disturbed and uneasy about something. When it's affecting a great number of people, it's a very easy thing to fix.
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
this pool proves nothing since its all wrong..
15% of people say they are disgusted by it and 30% want it to change. What's "wrong" about it?
because being disgusted is not the same as having a phobia.. you guys are insulting the guys that have real phobias
phobias is having fear and not being disgusted
You don't need to have a phobia to feel disturbed and uneasy about something. When it's affecting a great number of people, it's a very easy thing to fix.
But the vast majority like it. Why change it for the minority?
Yes, please change that unit's design. I had already posted on B.net about this, because as soon as i and my gf saw the unit we both felt disgust, specially her, since she feels it more than i do. Actually she gets all itchy, i just feel it very uncomfortable to look at, specially when the holes of the unit appear with moving things inside which pop out. Arghhh....
I definitely got very itchy watching the trypophobia video (didn't stop to scratch) and have been aware of having such a reaction to this sort of imagery for most of my life. The Swarm Host does bother me a little, but I wouldn't mind playing HoTS with it. Changing the unit's graphic might be a good idea, I don't really know.
EDIT: I would use a texture mod for the Swarm Host if I could.
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
This is not a representative sample, it is too small and we have no idea how many of those votes are actually true.
On October 24 2011 23:29 metbull wrote: made it to end. video was so terribly boring. no problem with artwork.
Actually, the video didn't do much to me and I share the phobia. On the other hand the swarm host and other pics make me want to die.
edit: Also the phobia is why I initially didn't play zerg, oddly enough. whoever pointed out that other buildings also should trigger it is right. Additionally, I think people should suck it up and play. It sucks, yeah but it can mostly be ignored, hopefully.
Not only this, but, the "itchyness" often times is just your mind relating the images seen (esp human ones) to yourself. 99.9% of people wont get itchyness from looking at a beehive. Which is the same thing. Its human empathy at work.
I have this phobia and yes, the swarm host fucks me up. Whoever doesn't have this phobia is obviously going to vote 'DONT CHANGE IT' and make fun of the others t-t
It's not about it being gross, it's about the holes..
I was fine right towards the end until it showed the school girl with them pores all over her arms.. I kinda got itchy but to be fair none of the rest of the video affected me; so I suppose I am fine haha.
LOL that video alone is enough to give ANYONE tryptophobia or whatever. that video is fucking disgusting, and while i could watch the whole thing through and laughing at the time, i can see how some people could react that way. i actually remember my ex saying it was disgusting looking at those kind of things. (like lots of holes with patterns)
Whether or not it warrants a design change is up to blizzard. The 90% of those NOT bothered by it, shouldnt REALLY care less whether the design is patterned holes or not. Im sure there are many other good designs out there, and my opinion is the design is fucking shit anyway, so as a non-tyrptophobiac or whateverthefuckever, i say +1 to a new design
I think if some people have a phobia of it then it should be changed, it's only artwork, what the unit looks like makes no difference to the gameplay, so if it will stop some people being able to play due to this phobia they should change it.
On October 24 2011 23:33 Clow wrote: I have this phobia and yes, the swarm host fuckes me up. Whoever doesn't have this phobia is obviously going to vote 'DONT CHANGE IT' and make fun of the others t-t
It's not about it being gross, it's about the holes..
On October 24 2011 23:33 Malpractice.248 wrote: Its not even a real "fear" It is an urban dictionary fear. http://www.popsci.com/trypophobia
Not only this, but, the "itchyness" often times is just your mind relating the images seen (esp human ones) to yourself. 99.9% of people wont get itchyness from looking at a beehive. Which is the same thing. Its human empathy at work.
I don't get the relation between itchyness and phobia. If someone talks to you about lice there's a strong possibility your head will get itchy and you'll scratch yourself. Same if you see the photo of a rash or stuff like this.
On October 24 2011 23:33 Clow wrote: I have this phobia and yes, the swarm host fucks me up. Whoever doesn't have this phobia is obviously going to vote 'DONT CHANGE IT' and make fun of the others t-t
It's not about it being gross, it's about the holes..
On October 24 2011 23:33 Malpractice.248 wrote: Its not even a real "fear" It is an urban dictionary fear. http://www.popsci.com/trypophobia
Not only this, but, the "itchyness" often times is just your mind relating the images seen (esp human ones) to yourself. 99.9% of people wont get itchyness from looking at a beehive. Which is the same thing. Its human empathy at work.
I don't get the relation between itchyness and phobia. If someone talks to you about lice there's a strong possibility your head will get itchy and you'll scratch yourself. Same if you see the photo of a rash or stuff like this.
Meh, I know I don't get itchy I just feel disgusting, and panic, and need to look away. I also have had it for a long time, and been unaware that anyone feels the same way, so it's not just "human empathy"
Hm i had a little the first video made me uncomfortable only when there were toads jumping out of the back of the big toad or whatever it was. The Swarm thing in HotS is fine i know its not real so it doesn't bother me.
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
This is not a representative sample, it is too small and we have no idea how many of those votes are actually true.
So in other words nothing can ever be changed because of player feedback because we can't know how many people mean what they say. Great philosophy.
On October 24 2011 23:33 Malpractice.248 wrote: Its not even a real "fear" It is an urban dictionary fear. http://www.popsci.com/trypophobia
Not only this, but, the "itchyness" often times is just your mind relating the images seen (esp human ones) to yourself. 99.9% of people wont get itchyness from looking at a beehive. Which is the same thing. Its human empathy at work.
I don't get the relation between itchyness and phobia. If someone talks to you about lice there's a strong possibility your head will get itchy and you'll scratch yourself. Same if you see the photo of a rash or stuff like this.
Meh, I know I don't get itchy I just feel disgusting, and panic, and need to look away. I also have had it for a long time, and been unaware that anyone feels the same way, so it's not just "human empathy"
Thanks for the clarification, I understand the reaction you described much better than random itchyness.
On October 24 2011 23:38 DreamChaser wrote: Hm i had a little the first video made me uncomfortable only when there were toads jumping out of the back of the big toad or whatever it was. The Swarm thing in HotS is fine i know its not real so it doesn't bother me.
Yes, I agree with this. Totally.
Seeing this toad-thing was disgusting because it actually is disgusting, it's not any phobia(to me), but the swarm host is just a stupid animation so it doesn't bother me at all.
Also, at people making fun of this: There are all sorts of crazy phobies, don't be a dick just because you're lucky enough to don't have this issue. Some people lose their consciousness over little dogs.
i understand that this could be a problem, and obviously you can't really change the fact that you have it at the snap of a finger
however i can't help but feel that looking at a hole in an apple that was created by a worm is a lot more disgusting to me than looking at the cool effect of the swarm hosts's back
On October 24 2011 23:33 Clow wrote: I have this phobia and yes, the swarm host fuckes me up. Whoever doesn't have this phobia is obviously going to vote 'DONT CHANGE IT' and make fun of the others t-t
It's not about it being gross, it's about the holes..
On October 24 2011 23:42 greggy wrote: ITT: OP is desperately trying to get himself known as "that guy that changed the artwork of that one unit in a video game"
Yea thats why he's saying that he is just wondering and wants to know how others feel, right. Why do you have to be a dick and even act like you were on 4chan?
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
This is not a representative sample, it is too small and we have no idea how many of those votes are actually true.
So in other words nothing can ever be changed because of player feedback because we can't know how many people mean what they say. Great philosophy.
It's not a philosophy, it's a fact. And nothing about what he said suggests that you can't change things based on player feedback. This just doesn't suffice.
On October 24 2011 23:33 Malpractice.248 wrote: Its not even a real "fear" It is an urban dictionary fear. http://www.popsci.com/trypophobia
Not only this, but, the "itchyness" often times is just your mind relating the images seen (esp human ones) to yourself. 99.9% of people wont get itchyness from looking at a beehive. Which is the same thing. Its human empathy at work.
I don't get the relation between itchyness and phobia. If someone talks to you about lice there's a strong possibility your head will get itchy and you'll scratch yourself. Same if you see the photo of a rash or stuff like this.
Because there isn't a connection. I'm pretty sure most people got itchy from that video either by empathy or because of the insect in it (most people check their skin for insects, because it's evolutionary the correct thing to do - not getting bitten by mosquito's, lice or wasps etc.)
The video and the OP are misleading a lot of people by attaching itchyness to irrational fear, which are two completely different things. I'm pretty sure there are as many people affraid of balloons as there are people affraid of holes, but the video fucks up the poll's numbers, making it an invalid and propagandistic reflection of the poster's intentions .
On October 24 2011 23:42 greggy wrote: ITT: OP is desperately trying to get himself known as "that guy that changed the artwork of that one unit in a video game"
Yea thats why he's saying that he is just wondering and wants to know how others feel, right. Why do you have to be a dick and even act like you were on 4chan?
People are getting overworked over nothing. You won't ever notice the problem in a real game unless you specifically look, so I don't see the problem.
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
This is not a representative sample, it is too small and we have no idea how many of those votes are actually true.
So in other words nothing can ever be changed because of player feedback because we can't know how many people mean what they say. Great philosophy.
No what he is refering to is that TL isnt enough of a representative sample of the whole sc2 community. and therefore its not enough to actually make them redesign the unit.
On October 24 2011 23:42 greggy wrote: ITT: OP is desperately trying to get himself known as "that guy that changed the artwork of that one unit in a video game"
Yea thats why he's saying that he is just wondering and wants to know how others feel, right. Why do you have to be a dick and even act like you were on 4chan?
And then OP responded to every negative comment by "10% want it, it must be big". Why does OP have to be a dick to 90% of this thread?
He is just stating how surprised he is, there's nothing wrong with that. I am actually pretty surprised, too, even though I don't have this issue. But I'm not making fun of anybody.
If you think that this is all wrong etc it's fine, but you can say that without saying stuff like the intention of the OP is to just get "e-fame" or something like that. It just makes you look mean and doesn't bring anything worthwhile.
Eh I dunno, I think that the effect of looking at the units artwork is one thing, using it in a game and staring at it long enough to bother you is another. I would bet that your brain, the cause for the phobia, ignores the phobia in game when you are playing because of how differently it is functioning when it actively plays an RTS compared to when you're sitting at home looking at a picture.
Respect to the phobia but I don't think it will play out like you think it will.
On October 24 2011 23:38 DreamChaser wrote: Hm i had a little the first video made me uncomfortable only when there were toads jumping out of the back of the big toad or whatever it was. The Swarm thing in HotS is fine i know its not real so it doesn't bother me.
Also, at people making fun of this: There are all sorts of crazy phobies, don't be a dick just because you're lucky enough to don't have this issue. Some people lose their consciousness over little dogs.
I agree with that but people in this thread are exaggerating the issue. OP posted a video with gross imagery, then asked if people were grossed out.
If i posted this video and asked, does this gross you out?
If it did you might have entomophobia, should the queen injects design be changed for people who have this?
See? And then people are like, wow I never knew I was scared of this! Blizz change it! Not to take away from people that legitametly have this problem, but people in here are taking it over the top.
On October 24 2011 22:54 iGX wrote: I can't believe the reaction of posters in this thread. Phobias are real and just because most of us don't have phobias does not give us the right to poke fun of other people with them. All phobias are different and mentioning other types of phobias here are apples and oranges. We're talking about one specific type of phobia, so stick to that.
I don't have this phobia but I do understand how members who does feel about this design.
Financially speaking, Blizzard implementing a design change like this is gonna cost them how much? a couple of hundred dollars? a couple of thousand dollars? or perhaps nothing?
Change the design of the Swarm host.
I do take Phobia's seriously. The point of people naming other Phobias is that you cannot design a game to account for all phobia's, so why single one Phobia out. If you have a Phobia that's causing so many problems get professional help, but don't expect the world around you to change, because holes exist everywhere, also in games.
When a phobia clearly disturbs 10% of a userbase, that is NOT a minor thing anymore. That is absolutely giant.
This is not a representative sample, it is too small and we have no idea how many of those votes are actually true.
So in other words nothing can ever be changed because of player feedback because we can't know how many people mean what they say. Great philosophy.
No what he is refering to is that TL isnt enough of a representative sample of the whole sc2 community. and therefore its not enough to actually make them redesign the unit.
Team Liquid is a great place to get your sample since it gathers people from all over the world and different ages. If he's objecting to anything other than the number of people responding he's just being stupid, and I don't think he is.
On October 24 2011 23:50 AceDauntless wrote: See? And then people are like, wow I never knew I was scared of this! Blizz change it! Not to take away from people that legitametly have this problem, but people in here are taking it over the top.
Okay that is right, but then again it's not really OPs fault but rather that the people in the thread didn't get his point.
I answered yes no problem because I didn't have any itches, but when there's stuff moving underneath living tissue it grossed me out pretty bad, the other holes didn't bother me.
On October 24 2011 23:50 AceDauntless wrote: See? And then people are like, wow I never knew I was scared of this! Blizz change it! Not to take away from people that legitametly have this problem, but people in here are taking it over the top.
Okay that is right, but then again it's not really OPs fault but rather that the people in the thread didn't get his point.
But thats exactly whats happening. And people are doing this. So people are complaining when they never would have been bothered otherwise.
I'm not seeing the logic here. If people have an uncanny fear of bugs, does that mean the developers should remove every zerg zerg? or if they have a fear of robots, every protoss? Or if they are ocd, every terran unit because they obviously don't shower every night? The point of the zerg race is to look scary and swarm you, they aren't friendly!
Thank you, OP, due to the video I learned about some organisms I haven't seen before. It's fascinating. I didn't itch at all though. I guess it's because I've seen bee's nests since very little (avid Winnie the Pooh fan), and such structures remind me just of bee cells which I don't find disgusting.
However, I can imagine that this may be painful for some people, if they have such phobia. Maybe there's a graphical solution to ease the effect on people like you, and still keep somewhat the concept. I think we should urge Blizzard to work on graphics options for people with phobias and color blindness.
I kinda scared of that kind of hole pattern. When I see the hole of Swarm Host, I got chill/goosebumb. Just like my fear of barnacle with repeated holes in different shape and clumping each other T_T
When I see something like that, I just want to destroy it. If this unit does not changed, it will be in my top "kill priority" in game (not only that, this unit also seems quite dangerous too.).
But funny thing is, honey bee hive does not scared me at all. may be because it seems more symmetric.
Creep tumor does not scared me though, may be because the amount of repeated pattern is low, and it does not look like a hole pattern (may be).
im sorry, i really feel sorry for those of you who cant watch stuff like that.(being honest) Im not sure how could it be fixed other than changing the entire model, maybe changing some options on the options panel? llike lowering the death and such animations?
I recall some other post similar to this one, but it was another unit, zerg one too, maybe the infestor?
For now i think you guys will have to get used to it, maybe send some letters to blizzard will get some sort of answer on the issue. Really wish you guys good luck! and hang in there
this type of phobia is actually alot more common than some people might think. i Suffer from this myself.
i thinks its a pretty cool design though. Zerg units are supposed to look scary/repulsive and the swarm host is definitely one of the few zerg units that actually accomplish this.
so Yes, i find the art design of this unit extremly disgusting. but No, i dont want it to be changed.
On October 24 2011 20:20 Peksi wrote: No, I didn't make it till the end because I got bored. I have no problems with the current artwork. Not that I would mind if they changed it because it looks kinda lame to me.
The very first post hits it right on the head for me. It looks like a silly fat head and not the least bit ferocious. I don't care about clusters of holes or whatnot. Zerg are also not insects, please stop trying to make them into ones.
First, as already mentioned the video is misleading; the "final" pictures unnecessarily show these holes in the form of maggot holes in human bodies, being disgusted by that obviously hasn't to be to grounded a fear of holes in general.
Second, the term "phobia" seems inappropriate in the described context. Disgust and uneasiness is not "phobia", it's disgust and uneasiness. People suffering from phobia feel severe and irrational anxieties far beyond what is described in the OP. It's more than questionable that actually 10% of the TL users get high pulse and suffer from intense fears when they look at these holes, for the majority it's just autosuggestion and more general aversions.
On October 25 2011 00:17 Antithesis wrote: First, as already mentioned the video is misleading; the "final" pictures unnecessarily show these holes in the form of maggot holes in human bodies, being disgusted by that obviously hasn't to be to grounded a fear of holes in general.
Second, the term "phobia" seems inappropriate in the described context. Disgust and uneasiness is not "phobia", it's disgust and uneasiness. People suffering from phobia feel severe and irrational anxieties far beyond what is described in the OP. It's more than questionable that actually 10% of the TL users get high pulse and suffer from intense fears when they look at these holes, for the majority it's just autosuggestion and more general aversions.
seriously that unit will never be as ugly as some stuff in this video actually thoose turds jumping out of the holes were pretty disgusting but im quite sure The Swarmhost wont trigger any phobias
U ever heard someone complain that they have to delete spider mobs in WoW becuase of Arachnophobics? Well at least i didnt
I'll admit, when I first saw the swarm host I thought, "NOPE NOPE NOPE." There was a link on reddit to a video of a frog species that does a similar thing with its newly hatched young, and then I thought about the prevalence of different parasites and bacteria that bore through flesh and I realized.
The swarm host is awesome.
I love having that visceral part of me prodded. It makes me happy that the blizzard design team could come up with something so fundamentally zergish. It's gross, clever, and my favorite of the new units design wise. XD
I finished the whole thing, I honestly do not feel a fear of holes, I do however dislike watching living things moving in living things. But honestly the swarm host is just pixels for me.
Trypophobia is not an official phobia recognized in scientific literature. For many (though perhaps not all) who have it, it’s probably not even a real phobia, which the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders says must interfere “significantly with the person’s normal routine.”
On October 25 2011 00:40 Callynn wrote: Trypophobia is not an official phobia recognized in scientific literature. For many (though perhaps not all) who have it, it’s probably not even a real phobia, which the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders says must interfere “significantly with the person’s normal routine.”
Sorry, but this is kind of retarded... Did they delete the spiders in WC3 because of arachnophobia? No, I don't think so. And arachnophobia is way more known and affects way more people than the phobia described here. If artists need to start thinking about every individual that could be offended by their art, this is definitely killing it.
Hell, I have a fear of spiders myself and I don't care playing games where there are spiders in it (and you know there are a lot of games like that), simply because it's cartoonish and not remotely close to being realist, in the same way the swarm host doesn't look like anything in the video at all.
I think that if you have a phobia related to in-game stuff, then you should stop playing and watching this game. Anyway the Zerg race is supposed to be disgusting and repulsive, so if it successfully manages to scare some people then I say good job Blizzard.
edit; talking about spiders, man these Corpsers in Gears of War make me totally uncomfortable.
This is at best a minor problem. The Swarm Host is nowhere near as bad as some of the examples of trypophobia-inducing things. Moreover, during real games the intensity of the game would likely overpower any unease.
If you are a very serious sufferer from this supposed phobia, then any game involving Zerg probably isn't for you, and it's not something that changing the artwork on unit is going to solve.
On October 25 2011 01:31 rANDY wrote: Ok so I watched this video during my lunchbreak 4-5 hours ago and I've been itchy all over ever since...how do I stop it??
Your 'itch' is caused by the suggestion that you will itch.
I am digusted by the swarm host (ugly bubbles, looks dangerous) and the viper (the twitchy wing movement, the snake-like body bending.) That is one of the reasons I play zerg. They are disgusting.
On October 25 2011 01:31 rANDY wrote: Ok so I watched this video during my lunchbreak 4-5 hours ago and I've been itchy all over ever since...how do I stop it??
Your 'itch' is caused by the suggestion that you will itch.
On October 25 2011 01:31 rANDY wrote: Ok so I watched this video during my lunchbreak 4-5 hours ago and I've been itchy all over ever since...how do I stop it??
Your 'itch' is caused by the suggestion that you will itch.
Personally, I have no problem with the design, I just wish the swarm host had more than 2 come out at a time, perhaps it could have like a full group on its back, much like some frogs have eggs on their back, and once it uses up all, lets say 10, eggs it has to recharge them two at a time or only send two at a time. Sadly this would be hard to balance, because 50 of anything is a significant number of free units. If it is legitimately a large problem for people to deal with swarm hosts, I would say that changing it to eggs on the back instead would help greatly.
On October 24 2011 20:20 Peksi wrote: No, I didn't make it till the end because I got bored. I have no problems with the current artwork. Not that I would mind if they changed it because it looks kinda lame to me.
Pretty much this, I made it the whole way, but the temptation to quit out of boredom was huge.
I used to have pretty bad arachnophobia. In games, that's is actually really bad - for example, in Oblivion I literally had to close my eyes when fighting the spider enemies and just hammer buttons until I thought it would be dead and would sometimes have to just switch it off if it got too bad, and those weren't even close to realistic. Thankfully I'm a bit better now and will hopefully be able to play through all of Skyrim without closing my eyes, but that's not really the point.
See, lots and lots of people have arachnophobia. It is, I believe, the most common of all phobias. And yet, games very regularly have spider enemies. That's just the way things are, and you have to accept it - you have an irrational fear and you can't expect the world to bend over backwards to deal with it. This isn't even a real phobia and yet somehow you think a game should change design to not include "holes" or whatever? I mean, really?
In answer to the original poll, I itched during the damn explanation of the video before any of the supposed "itching stimuli" came up and then switched it off because it was such nonsense. You itch all the time, especially when you think of itching, and you will obviously notice it more when people point it out. This whole thing is a joke. If you have to watch a video to find out you have a problem with something that is everywhere, you don't have a problem worth talking about or making others change things to fit around.
>Should a minority kill a perfectly good unit design ?
why balance the game at the top end? who gives a shit about the minority of masters league players? they're like 1% of the players! put destructible rock walls outside the natural to prevent all rushes it's too hard at the gold level!
On October 25 2011 02:19 Fluttershy wrote: >Should a minority kill a perfectly good unit design ?
why balance the game at the top end? who gives a shit about the minority of masters league players? they're like 1% of the players! put destructible rock walls outside the natural to prevent all rushes it's too hard at the gold level!
Not the same thing.
I have to agree with some people in this thread. It isn't a phobia just because you feel unease or disgust.
"A phobia (from the Greek: φόβος, Phóbos, meaning "fear" or "morbid fear") is a type of anxiety disorder, usually defined as a persistent fear of an object or situation in which the sufferer commits to great lengths in avoiding, typically disproportional to the actual danger posed, often being recognized as irrationa" From wikipedia.
I think a better poll would be. "How many people would stop play or watch starcraft 2 if the Swarm host model isn't reworked"
"It turns out that I’m not alone. I contacted roughly 10 psychologists for this story, and of those who got back to me, none had heard of it. The evolutionary psychologists I emailed were unwilling to speculate on the potential biological underpinnings for a fear of small, clustered holes. Trypophobia is not an official phobia recognized in scientific literature. For many (though perhaps not all) who have it, it’s probably not even a real phobia, which the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders says must interfere “significantly with the person’s normal routine.”
Pretty idiotic of the youtube video to suggest the response they are expecting if they were attempting to have any real measurement. Not too mention the confounding variable of including other images that may make people uncomfortable, insects etc.
In a related idea, my roommate gave up the idea of playing the D3 witchdoctor, because the characters tics were setting off his own mild tics.
there is treatment for phobia, while on the other side there are so many different phobias that there is no way you can make a game without hitting one of em. if your phobia really is that bad, go and search for help instead of requirung blizzard to change design.
lol I totally expected going into this thread expecting something absolutely ridiculous but it's very hard to explain the feeling when looking at stuff like this.
I have it only slightly though and as far as I know this is the only phobia i have and it's not a big deal or anything but I can tell you people that it is real. Phobias are irrational and I completely realize the feeling I have when I see this thing is irrational but it really doesn't change the fact that I want to rip my eyes out when I see weird patterns of holes.
The Swarm Host does not give me problems though. I really don't have much of a problem with looking at strange patterns/holes that are CG tbh. So I have no problem with it
so then if we do this we shouldnt we change the zerg race away from swarming bugs? NO because the zerg are a distubing alien race meant to strike uneasyness into its enemys hearts and minds
I have a friend who is is very scared of these patterns, to the point she feels like she's confronted with something dangerous and is about to harm her. I also have a slight fear of them (skin starts to tingle).
This is taking metagame to a whole new level, yeah seeing real life holes and disgusting bugs swarming out makes me cringe/tingle or what not but not in the video game.
I used to have this like really badly when I was small, it's kinda fine now. I dislike looking at stuff like this and it does make me itch (stfu @ idiots who think this is not real and people only feel itchy due to op), but the swarm host does not and something like that would never not make me buy hots.
I have the same phobia and got a disturbing feeling from watching Browder's video on the Swarm Host. It's not funny, and it is serious and needs to be changed. Burrowed Banelings already gave me a slight uneasiness, but this is much worse.
People commenting on 'scary monsters' and 'insects' need better comprehension because it has shakeout nothing to do with that. It's the sight of clustered holes that sets it off and honestly it makes and skin crawl. There's a facade in Melbourne on one of the RMIT's buildings I think of half spheres on the side of the building and even that makes me feel slightly uncomfortable.
Now the real question is would I quit SC2 because of it? No way in hell. I'm even thinking of switching to Zerg because of the possibility of the Viper-Swarm Host combo. But I wouldn't mind Blizzard changing the animation of when the locusts pop out so my skin doesn't start feeling like it nerds to crawl to the sink every time I see it.
i felt queasy watching the swarm host in the videos, and this was before this thread was made. watching things come out of small holes makes me sick to the stomach, it's like a visceral response. i wouldn't mind if the artwork was unchanged though, maybe i'd be able to get over my slight phobia!
I've always thought that Blizzard should design a zerg unit that can trigger certain phobias. Trypophobia is a particularly good one because things with a lot of holes look really weird/alien/organic. Swarm host looks great, they should make the back part look even more detailed and organic.
My brother has trypophobia, and he says that the swarm host doesnt really make him feel bad. The worst is those lotus plants: + Show Spoiler +
On October 25 2011 01:52 Bobster wrote: Ridiculous. This phobia isn't even real. I don't even want to legitimise it by giving this thread a proper response.
On October 25 2011 01:31 rANDY wrote: Ok so I watched this video during my lunchbreak 4-5 hours ago and I've been itchy all over ever since...how do I stop it??
Your 'itch' is caused by the suggestion that you will itch.
Seriously. People are so easily manipulated.
I don't have the phobia, but I sure would if I didn't avoid looking at all the disgusting shocker images on the internet. I was thoroughly disgusted when we watched a drug education video and it showed this girl who was addicted to crystal meth and thought that there were bugs inside her skin when she was high, and tore out holes all over her arm. The arm was rotting and the bone was starting to break apart.
There are people who have traumatic experiences from things like this, and because of the large amount of people, there should be an option to make the swarm host smooth at least.
Preferably, the swarm host will get a revision so that it is more of a defensive siege unit, and it doesn't shoot things out.
I guess blizzard did their job right when trying to make a disgusting zergy unit at least.
On October 25 2011 03:04 TSL-Lore wrote: I've always thought that Blizzard should design a zerg unit that can trigger certain phobias. Trypophobia is a particularly good one because things with a lot of holes look really weird/alien/organic. Swarm host looks great, they should make the back part look even more detailed and organic.
My brother has trypophobia, and he says that the swarm host doesnt really make him feel bad. The worst is those lotus plants: + Show Spoiler +
I think you should spoiler that image, even though it is just a plant. I don't have that phobia but it still creeps me out. I think it is because the image is so close up that is resembles flesh, and I think we can all agree that egg like things in drying out holes of flesh is enough to retch over.
Could we please post the phobia pictures in spoilers (that Lotus)? Think about it: those with this phobia are going to come here to discuss the issue. We'd rather have the option to subject ourselves to clustered hole pictures with a simple spoiler. Thanks.
I personally get very nauseous when playing Borderlands or Dead Island, which would be something that I would like fixed even though it doesn't effect most people. I'm not affected by the swarm host art, but I would totally support an art revision if there were enough people affected.
Forgive me my ignorance, but "this picture makes me feel itchy" does not classify for a phobia. Over an hour I failed to find a single medical source that was at least slightly scientific. I completely accept that certain images make some people feel uneasy, but that does not really classify a pathological illness.
I think I'm a trypophobiac. I can't look at trains coming out of tunnels, liquid coming out of bottles (glass or plastic), people getting out of cars, slow-motion videos of bullets exiting guns, and fans exiting sports arenas. These things make me sick to my stomach and I get an itching feeling all over my body. Please take me seriously as these are rational fears.
On October 25 2011 03:24 hejakev wrote: I think I'm a trypophobiac. I can't look at trains coming out of tunnels, liquid coming out of bottles (glass or plastic), people getting out of cars, slow-motion videos of bullets exiting guns, and fans exiting sports arenas. These things make me sick to my stomach and I get an itching feeling all over my body. Please take me seriously as these are rational fears.
so you want Nydus Worm to be removed from game ? xp and unburrow units and stuff xp or it doesnt mess with u ?
This is an unofficial phobia and a word adobted by the urban dictionary? Is this thread serious? I feel like I'm reading 16 pages of trolling. The test in itself is just a huge troll, tell anyone to sit perfectly in that position for 2 min 30 sec and see if they don't feel uneasy or itchy, anyone will even looking at a black screen.
On October 25 2011 03:27 Synk wrote: This is an unofficial phobia and a word adobted by the urban dictionary? Is this thread serious? I feel like I'm reading 16 pages of trolling. The test in itself is just a huge troll, tell anyone to sit perfectly in that position for 2 min 30 sec and see if they don't feel uneasy or itchy, anyone will even looking at a black screen.
You can't say it doesn't exist. If we showed you shocker images of the disgusting holes in flesh for even 15 minutes, you would feel sick for the rest of your life whenever you are reminded of them.
This phobia actually makes evolutionary sense too. Getting a parasite that makes flesh holes is pretty much death in the wild.
I love the model, personally, but I hate getting queasy, so I can sympathize with people who dislike it.
On October 24 2011 20:15 Morphs wrote: Edit: README, I'm quite amazed at some of the reactions in this topic. So far, the polls point out that over 1 out of 10 players is actually disgusted by the Swarm Host artwork. I would say that is a pretty high percentage. Also, please refrain from trolling with all kinds of phobias. This thing is REAL and people do suffer from it. If that upsets you, then I'm sorry. But please don't waste your time by trolling this thread.
Polls show that 1/10 people is trolling you because of how stupid this topic is.
Not everything needs to be classified by the DSM to be real. This is not a troll thread Synk. Googling the phobia brings up tons of discussion threads (and, unfortunately, pictures) so you can see that it does exist.
On October 25 2011 03:27 Synk wrote: This is an unofficial phobia and a word adobted by the urban dictionary? Is this thread serious? I feel like I'm reading 16 pages of trolling. The test in itself is just a huge troll, tell anyone to sit perfectly in that position for 2 min 30 sec and see if they don't feel uneasy or itchy, anyone will even looking at a black screen.
I don't think it is trolling, I think it is some people - read: not necessarily the OP(!) - pushing their agenda like: I feel uneasy when I see certain things, so I *must* have it accepted as an illness.
On October 25 2011 03:33 Crisium wrote: Not everything needs to be classified by the DSM to be real. This is not a troll thread Synk. Googling the phobia brings up tons of discussion threads (and, unfortunately, pictures) so you can see that it does exist.
Googling it just shows, that it does not seem like a phobia. It just shows discussions of some people on websites others (see agenda above) have made.
On October 25 2011 03:33 Crisium wrote: Not everything needs to be classified by the DSM to be real. This is not a troll thread Synk. Googling the phobia brings up tons of discussion threads (and, unfortunately, pictures) so you can see that it does exist.
Fear of wooden planks also exists, but that doesn't mena we stop making houses made out of them. People that don't like it just steer clear from it. Same goes for this. I wonder why people keep bumping this terrible thread. It seems like a brilliant troll though, the best trolls are good at saying how they are not a troll. I'm also out. Enjoy your game while it lasts, I'm buying HotS and don't care if you don't.
i actually do like the swarm host design, but i do feel a little bit disgusted by it. everytime locusts come out of its back i cant help but wonder what it feels like. on the other hand, that toad is a real animal. its pretty disgusting.
I cant beleive this thread went this long. I read like 10 pages and still dont understand what is this all about. Zerg is ugly, it should be. They are the efficient biomachines. Whatever it takes. The broodlord spawns units too, and the swarm host doesnt looks "holie".
I'm afraid of bugs and snails, please remove the infestor.
If you showed 2:30 worth of gross bugs that were similar to the infestor this pole would be MUCH higher.
....and yet nobody cares about the infestor in game.
Sorry, but this is completely stupid. There are thousands of random phobias out there. You cannot visually please everyone, especially with an alien race designed to be unappealing to the eye.
On October 25 2011 03:46 shinarit wrote: I cant beleive this thread went this long. I read like 10 pages and still dont understand what is this all about. Zerg is ugly, it should be. They are the efficient biomachines. Whatever it takes. The broodlord spawns units too, and the swarm host doesnt looks "holie".
It has like 4 holes on the back of it, that's what everyone is afraid of.
I have trypophobia and the Swarm Host is fine for me, as well as creep tumours. It's large clusters of smaller ones I start feeling sick from.
There are thousands upon thousands of different phobias, you can't account for every one of them. No reason to single this aspect out among all the others.
Also i like the fact that its a Zerg unit that's disturbing to some people, that kind of the point of Zerg lore wise. They simply aren't meant to be pleasant.
Got through the video no problem. I'm not disgusted by the artwork but i certainly wouldn't mind if it got changed since it looks pretty silly right now.
There seems to be actually pretty strong mechanism behind this phobia, so I don't understand people dismissing it so easily. Things that trigger it are extremely similar to skin conditions and some dangerous animals. It would not be surprising if people were naturally conditioned to avoid them and since most things in nature have some statistical distribution, some people just have stronger reactions and some weaker. And in some it just misfires too much causing phobia.
EDIT:Not my case though, I find them actually pretty cool and I do not think the design should be changed because of impracticality of catering to even 10%(maybe) minority. The nature of the zerg makes suitable designs for zerg units generate one phobia or another too easily.
No such thing exists. At least not as a legitimate psychological condition. Thinking you have a "phobia" because you get itchy and disgusted looking at that video is an insult to all the people out there suffering from real anxiety disorders.
Seriously, this is like thinking you have acrophobia because heights make you uncomfortable. Most people are afraid of heights, and for good reason - falls kill you. But this doesn't mean that we're all suffering from an anxiety disorder. Just like being afraid of spiders doesn't make one arachnophobic.
On October 25 2011 03:24 hejakev wrote: I think I'm a trypophobiac. I can't look at trains coming out of tunnels, liquid coming out of bottles (glass or plastic), people getting out of cars, slow-motion videos of bullets exiting guns, and fans exiting sports arenas. These things make me sick to my stomach and I get an itching feeling all over my body. Please take me seriously as these are rational fears.
so you want Nydus Worm to be removed from game ? xp and unburrow units and stuff xp or it doesnt mess with u ?
Yes, please remove those from the game Blizzard. I'm not too fond of the voidray coming out of the stargate, either... makes me a little nauseous...
Like I said, these are rational fears so please don't make fun of me.
Oddly, I have to agree with this. I've always been bugged by stuff with holes on it, especially stuff like the plants in the video where there's stuff IN the holes.
And yes, burrowed zerg units bug me as well, especially lings.
This has turned into a very entertaining thread. So many people crying about their "phobia", especially the guy that cant watch fans exiting sports arenas. It sucks to have it I guess, but what the F do you want blizzard to do? Make it circles vs squares, or is someone here also fearing geometric patterns?
I'd like to find out more about that aligator thing with the frogs in it. That was pretty cool. Wonder if the condition is painful for the animal, assuming that it is because it was moving in sharp movements as the creatures came out.
On October 25 2011 04:06 Toadvine wrote: No such thing exists. At least not as a legitimate psychological condition. Thinking you have a "phobia" because you get itchy and disgusted looking at that video is an insult to all the people out there suffering from real anxiety disorders.
Seriously, this is like thinking you have acrophobia because heights make you uncomfortable. Most people are afraid of heights, and for good reason - falls kill you. But this doesn't mean that we're all suffering from an anxiety disorder. Just like being afraid of spiders doesn't make one arachnophobic.
I agree that mild reactions like itching and such do not constitute phobia in the sense of psychiatric considerations and people are overreacting. On the other hand phobias are on scale and any precise cutoff points are somewhat arbitrary.
Also only spread enough phobias are named and recognized because of practical considerations. But they are "recognized" only because they are spread enough not because they are "real" and the others are not. There are probably thousands of things that cause similar responses as full blown arachnophobia, the point is the response not what caused it.
Didn't really bother me at all, had no idea this was an actual thing or that it was so common. Not sure how I feel about it but I wouldn't mind changing the model anyways, I didn't say "wow that looks so cool visually" when I saw it or anything.
That video is a little biased though, it seemed more about showing gross things in general with holes in them than showing holes as the source of grossing someone out.
The top of the swarm host comes across as having warts, bleh :S
I made it to the end of the video fine, but it is a little uncomfortable to watch still. I don't like anything about the swarm host in general though, so maybe I'm just finding reasons to dislike it further.
I think it's just a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. Since you tell people they might itch or w/e due to this video, when they watch it they actually do and believe you, whereas if they saw these things on their own, hardly anyone would notice these things.
of course people are going to be uncomfortable watching that video; it's freaking weird and those things are overall disgusting. But very few would attribute it to something like Tryophobia unless prompted.
That video doesn't seem like a reliable test. People could easily get disgusted by the idea of parasites/worms in them and become itchy...not necessarily because they saw holes..
This whole thread is freaking insane... you correctly mention arachnophobia as a much more legitimate and widely circulated "phobia" but has this ever stopped a game designer from putting spiders in games? Almost every RPG game has a form of spider creature in it, and I have not once heard anything like this.
On October 25 2011 04:34 Chewbacca. wrote: That video doesn't seem like a reliable test. People could easily get disgusted by the idea of parasites/worms in them and become itchy...not necessarily because they saw holes..
Also, people could get itchi because they are forced to sit still.
I don't like they way it looks but it doesn't really bother me. I feel bad for those of you who can't stand it, but I doubt it will be changed because of some phobias. Millions of people are afraid of spiders, but in every rpg ever made you have to fight giant spiders.
On October 25 2011 04:35 Communism wrote: This whole thread is freaking insane... you correctly mention arachnophobia as a much more legitimate and widely circulated "phobia" but has this ever stopped a game designer from putting spiders in games? Almost every RPG game has a form of spider creature in it, and I have not once heard anything like this.
I remember when Dragon Age came out there were multiple threads on how to mod the spider models to look like Wolve ones.
Also on the WoW forum´s ive seen multiple threads like this one it´s a more common problem then you would think.
On October 25 2011 04:06 Toadvine wrote: No such thing exists. At least not as a legitimate psychological condition. Thinking you have a "phobia" because you get itchy and disgusted looking at that video is an insult to all the people out there suffering from real anxiety disorders.
Seriously, this is like thinking you have acrophobia because heights make you uncomfortable. Most people are afraid of heights, and for good reason - falls kill you. But this doesn't mean that we're all suffering from an anxiety disorder. Just like being afraid of spiders doesn't make one arachnophobic.
I agree that mild reactions like itching and such do not constitute phobia in the sense of psychiatric considerations and people are overreacting. On the other hand phobias are on scale and any precise cutoff points are somewhat arbitrary.
Also only spread enough phobias are named and recognized because of practical considerations. But they are "recognized" only because they are spread enough not because they are "real" and the others are not. There are probably thousands of things that cause similar responses as full blown arachnophobia, the point is the response not what caused it.
I guess, but this thread, and the assorted video, are just a huge joke. The creator of that video is either a huge troll fishing for reactions, or someone completely devoid of the ability to think critically. In any case, I'm going to believe it when I see someone get a panic attack from seeing a piece of pumice, or some other relatively neutral non-organic punctured object. Having a reaction to a person with holes in their skin doesn't mean anything at all.
Besides, even if it were a real condition, it wouldn't mean anything. Nobody removes spiders from games because it upsets arachnophobiacs.
On October 25 2011 04:27 Fishgle wrote: I think it's just a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts. Since you tell people they might itch or w/e due to this video, when they watch it they actually do and believe you, whereas if they saw these things on their own, hardly anyone would notice these things.
of course people are going to be uncomfortable watching that video; it's freaking weird and those things are overall disgusting. But very few would attribute it to something like Tryophobia unless prompted.
Yea this.
'If you feel uncomfortable during this video, you have tryophobia', then show a video that's most people would consider uncomfortable to watch and ask people to pay attention to physical reactions. You can 'diagnose' people with anything using a method similar to this one.
Currently my beard is itching, and I've therefore deducted I have a phobia of logos with blue horses :/.
Sadly Blizzard doesn't really care about minorities/people with certain needs. I remember way back threads on the blizz forums from deaf people complaining about how nukes and nydius only have audio warnings...
On October 25 2011 04:48 TheChostoProject wrote: Sadly Blizzard doesn't really care about minorities/people with certain needs. I remember way back threads on the blizz forums from deaf people complaining about how nukes and nydius only have audio warnings...
I also remember when Blizz added text warnings. Stop bitching.
Those numbers MUST be incorrect. I've literally never heard anything relating to that fear, and now I'm so accept that 10% of people have it so bad that Blizzard must change a unit so as to not physically affect people?
I just feel like I wanna touch it. Only time it makes me shiver and scream is when I see it on humans......... -.- I never wanna watch similiar video again when there's just unnatural diseases and shits...
On October 25 2011 04:51 TALegion wrote: Those numbers MUST be incorrect. I've literally never heard anything relating to that fear, and now I'm so accept that 10% of people have it so bad that Blizzard must change a unit so as to not physically affect people?
They're not correct. OP showed a visually disturbing video and then claimed if you were disturbed you have this "phobia". And then people said they wanted the unit changed because of this. The 10% are the 10% they don't understand they were just manipulated. Look I can do it do, and did it before in this thread.
The model doesn't bother me at all, but I don't have Trypophobia. I will say that I think it is a true phobia, even if it is not a scientifically proven one. The video isn't really a good one for Trypophobia because it shows a bunch of insects and parasites boring through flesh which is pretty creepy to a lot of people.
My GF and her mom are both ridiculously freaked out by anything with little holes in it. It doesn't have to be naturally occurring or covered in insects, just holes. Side of cheese-grater, a bunch of straws held tightly in your hand and viewed from the end, pores in fabric or material, even a sponge will send my GF out of the room faster than you can believe. I thought she was just kidding at first, but I have seen her straight freak-out over the smallest piece of plastic because of the pattern of holes. If you handed her a phone with this cover on it, it would be sailing across the room in 2 seconds flat:
Man people are growing up in caves now a days apparently. When i was a kid we watched faces of death on a regular basis. (Actual people being murdered) and didn't think anything of it.
On October 25 2011 05:04 RealReality wrote: Man people are growing up in caves now a days apparently. When i was a kid we watched faces of death on a regular basis. (Actual people being murdered) and didn't think anything of it.
Cool story bro.
On the topic i think that video (the girl mostly) was really disgusting and i can't get it out of my head. I though the swarm host was too disgusting even before this thread (although it looks even worse now). This is not like "That unit looks TERRIBLE, LoL has so much better graphs trololololo" it looks genuinely disgusting. I'd rather have a black box as a model. It won't stop me from hots though.
EDIT: btw i don't think any other zerg units are disgusting at all
On October 25 2011 04:51 TALegion wrote: Those numbers MUST be incorrect. I've literally never heard anything relating to that fear, and now I'm so accept that 10% of people have it so bad that Blizzard must change a unit so as to not physically affect people?
They're not correct. OP showed a visually disturbing video and then claimed if you were disturbed you have this "phobia". And then people said they wanted the unit changed because of this. The 10% are the 10% they don't understand they were just manipulated. Look I can do it do, and did it before in this thread.
The swarm host's back looks directly inspired from lotus seed pods (google at your own risk), which give me goosebumps all over my face. I play zerg, but I wouldn't change it because I think I'll get used to it. It's a nice addition to the overall creepiness of the race.
I always have a small reaction to things with holes like that but not enough for me to want it remove. Besides I can hardly notice if my game is at ultra or low while i'm playing, so I doubt i'll be looking at the unit design that much.
I made it to the end of the video ezpz. However I would like a model change not because it disturbs me, but because I don't like it as a whole. I still think it should be a baneling launcher.
On October 25 2011 04:46 huyNh wrote: alot of people in this thread don't know what a phobia is
a phobia is for me something thats makes your life difficult something like claustrophobia and some sort of animals phobia when you are scared to death about something anything else is for me just invented stuff by the humans stupidity.
When you have a Problem try to solve the Problem beginning with you not with things around you.
I...honestly haven't watched the video, but I do suffer from the phobia (the cluster of holes part of it).
I'm very aware it's irrational, and certainly watching the Swarm Host in action did make me feel very uncomfortable once I saw the locusts spawning.
I have no idea where or why the phobia developed, but I do know that the fear is from the imagination of having all of these holes 'suck the life out of something'. I suppose the earliest example I recall watching was in the old James Bond movie 'Octopussy' where after a brief fight, it shows a blue ringed octopus on someone's face (and since then I can't look at octopus tentacles and their suckers without shuddering a little).
I do feel that, as a Zerg player, I'll be desensitised over time as I use the Swarm Host more, because my phobia isn't strong enough to deter me from the game. I completely understand if peoples' situations are worse.
Quite frankly the swarm host doesnt look very appealing to me. I dont really like the overall zerg- insect theme, makes me feel uncomfortable. I would like blizzard to eat some custom skins, like unicorn zerglings and fairy mutalisks.
This seems so silly to me :p definitely never felt so weird watching a youtube video, so no I didn't itch at all throughout the whole video and no I don't think the swarm host needs new artwork done.
I think you'll get easily used to it; roaches are in the game and nobody complains about that giant bug... Queen is very arachnoid-like and no problem either. I didn't know virtual insects on screen could cause symptoms of phobia... And I mean, Zergs are supposed to be like that
Holy crap there's a WORD for this!?! And here I always thought it was something particular to only me. Thankfully this doesn't bother me nearly as much as it did when I was a child....
That was the first thing i thought when i watched the preview of the swarm host. I have no problem when i see it though but i totally understand the OP the why it would be better to change the design
On October 25 2011 05:34 cosineInfinity wrote: Don't suffer from it personally, but I can understand those with the phobia.
I don't think the swarm host needs a change, though; I don't think it's that bad.
This "phobia" does not exist.
It literally takes less than a minute to read up on this and understand that this is not a legitimate medical or psychological condition. Don't just accept things at face value, people.
This ^^. That is the problem now a days. People will actually think to them selfs "Hey i don't like holes i guess i might have this". Without looking into anything what so ever. I wouldn't want a spider climbing on my chest or around/on my feet does that mean i have a spider Phobia? Its all in the person's head.
Hey, you can "not like this" - that's perfectly fine. You can even find it disgusting. That's exactly the effect Blizzard is going for with every Zerg unit (not sure why anyone would find Banelings "cute", the artwork and actual in-game model is pretty disgusting).
Just don't call this a phobia and try to argue from a standpoint of medical need or some shit.
I just ate and watched this.... WHY. I did not itch, but i did ALMOST throw up a whole sandwhich. Now i get to go to my Electrical engineering lab with an upset stomach .... T_T
On October 25 2011 05:54 WNT wrote: This ^^. That is the problem now a days. People will actually think to them selfs "Hey i don't like holes i guess i might have this". Without looking into anything what so ever. I wouldn't want a spider climbing on my chest or around/on my feet does that mean i have a spider Phobia? Its all in the person's head.
Well, I remember one time when I was a kid, I saw a strange triangular-shaped pattern of air bubbles in the ice. I completely freaked out and tried to smash it (but couldn't) until eventually having to run away. I'm fairly sure that since all these incidences occurred before I knew anything about it that this was a preexisting condition. It happens every so often to me, though I can agree that it may not really be a "phobia" simply because it doesn't "interfere with my normal routine".
Edit: Oh, and while the closeup of the SH creeps me out, the unit in the game doesn't seem to bother me, so I'm not really worried about it.
On October 25 2011 05:34 cosineInfinity wrote: Don't suffer from it personally, but I can understand those with the phobia.
I don't think the swarm host needs a change, though; I don't think it's that bad.
This "phobia" does not exist.
It literally takes less than a minute to read up on this and understand that this is not a legitimate medical or psychological condition. Don't just accept things at face value, people.
*sigh* I know I was avoiding posting in this pointless thread but I can resist.
I completely agree, I mean the first thing that the 'test' says is that 'Tryophobia, the unofficial word adopted by urban dictionary'.
I get all my medical terminology from urban dictionary.
Hmmm, I think if you really have this phobic disorder, and it's preventing you from playing your favourite game, you should get psychiatric treatment. It's the same with all phobias. (This regardless whether it's a described phobia or not, you can actually have a phobia to nearly anything)
On October 25 2011 05:54 WNT wrote: This ^^. That is the problem now a days. People will actually think to them selfs "Hey i don't like holes i guess i might have this". Without looking into anything what so ever. I wouldn't want a spider climbing on my chest or around/on my feet does that mean i have a spider Phobia? Its all in the person's head.
It is actually scientificly established that this particular pattern cause feelings of fear and nausea in a a large amount of people.
On October 25 2011 06:00 Bobster wrote: Hey, you can "not like this" - that's perfectly fine. You can even find it disgusting. That's exactly the effect Blizzard is going for with every Zerg unit (not sure why anyone would find Banelings "cute", the artwork and actual in-game model is pretty disgusting).
Just don't call this a phobia and try to argue from a standpoint of medical need or some shit.
Banelings are so cute. Round and squishy and they can even roll around. (Round things do actually tend to be considered cute).
On October 25 2011 06:20 TheRealPaciFist wrote: Useless poll without a control, because for all we know about 17% of most people might be disgusted by most Zerg units.
I think the question is not whether you are disgusted or not, but if you have an "irrational, uncontrollable anxiety reaction to it". It could be real but I think it's probably less than 0.1% of people, and those should get treatment.
On October 25 2011 05:54 WNT wrote: This ^^. That is the problem now a days. People will actually think to them selfs "Hey i don't like holes i guess i might have this". Without looking into anything what so ever. I wouldn't want a spider climbing on my chest or around/on my feet does that mean i have a spider Phobia? Its all in the person's head.
It is actually scientificly established that this particular pattern cause feelings of fear and nausea in a a large amount of people.
Ok most of the video was fine but then it showed what looked like fingertips hollowed out with weird shit inside. That was fucking disgusting. I'm seriously regretting watching that now.
I don't see how someone could not be grossed out by the thought of some bug hollowing out the tips of your fingers and living in there. Seriously, wtf.
But I have no problem (at all) with the swarm host.
I find it interesting. I guess you would have to have seen worse. Like on Tosh.0 i think it was last week it showed a hand missing all the skin on the top and u could see how it worked/moved stuff like that is awesome to me. Like the bones shifting/moving and tendons.
Damn ever since I saw that fucking video, it inch all over my body and shit. Seriously, I never thought I had anything against hole since I saw that fucking shit, it's been one hour already and I'm not feeling any better.
On October 25 2011 06:33 WhiteDog wrote: Damn ever since I saw that fucking video, it inch all over my body and shit. Seriously, I never thought I had anything against hole since I saw that fucking shit, it's been one hour already and I'm not feeling any better.
Remove this post already omg.
The Mind is a powerful thing huh if you weren't thinking about it you wouldn't be itchy.
I laughed so hard when I read the op... I was digusted by the video. Didn't think that would happen at all. I was able to finish it in only two shots, by I don't think that is because of the holes, only because of the insects that are moving inside the hole.
To be quite honest, if somebody made a claim that Creep, and Hatcheries that die pre-mutating is disturbing (the veins and blood arteries spurting out), then do those warrant a change?
I don't know. I think the video was creepy because it was weird, but other than that, I don't really think a phobia justifies an artwork change. That's just too much, to me.
The new unit design actually does bug me. Freaks me out. This all started when I saw a photoshopped human nipple, it had holes instead of a nipple. It really bugs me to see these kinds of things today. But at the same, its not to the point where I can't look at it. I still think I would be able to play even with the design. I would prefer that they changed it but I am not going to make a big deal out of it.
On October 25 2011 06:33 WhiteDog wrote: Damn ever since I saw that fucking video, it inch all over my body and shit. Seriously, I never thought I had anything against hole since I saw that fucking shit, it's been one hour already and I'm not feeling any better.
Remove this post already omg.
The Mind is a powerful thing huh if you weren't thinking about it you wouldn't be itchy.
Damn you, damn you. I just can't stop thinking about that shit lol...
Well, guys.. Shouldn't you just not play Zerg? Zerg isn't supposed to be geometrical, they're living bug-like things.. Of course there will be non-geometrical holes in them..
I think I understand this phobia, after reading up on it, but honestly guys.. Look in the mirror and you'll see nongeometrical holes right there..
It's pretty selfish to ask for a computergame to be redesigned because you have a strange and rare phobia
There are people that have mortal fear of peaches and pickels as well, they have to cope with it. Im not too happy with clowns myself, but I don't go around demanding that they be banned (Although it would be nice)
On October 25 2011 07:13 ELA wrote: Well, guys.. Shouldn't you just not play Zerg? Zerg isn't supposed to be geometrical, they're living bug-like things.. Of course there will be non-geometrical holes in them..
I think I understand this phobia, after reading up on it, but honestly guys.. Look in the mirror and you'll see nongeometrical holes right there..
It's pretty selfish to ask for a computergame to be redesigned because you have a strange and rare phobia
There are people that have mortal fear of peaches and pickels as well, they have to cope with it. Im not too happy with clowns myself, but I don't go around demanding that they be banned (Although it would be nice)
Im putting my money on the OP trolling tbh..
Hey I play zerg, I like the idea of bugs and things like that and I have no problem with eggs hatching... this is different.
This thread is pure gold. I tested myself and googled all the images people referred to in this thread, and the breast lotus thing and the hollowed finger tips are the worst imo. But everyone should get disgusted by that, its just not natural and looks painful. But both are photoshops. Really interesting read though. Keep the design I like it, its very zergish.
The swarm host art is completely fine with me. But that video's disgusting, the one with no fingernails is the worst. I watched the whole thing, didn't have to itch but got a bit of an itchy sensation on my skin.
This bothers me too, actually. Not to the point where I couldn't get used to it. I was itching throughout the video, but I went in thinking about it too much.
Any former/current WoW players remember Tanaris (or Sithilus) with the bugs in the caves in the souther part of it? That place always gave me the chills because of the holes and mounds as well.
the video was annoying to watch, the swarm host is alright i guess but i'd rather have different artwork, I already play on low, and I really dislike zerg on ultra settings, its too shiny and bug-like looking and the creep is sorta gross
I saw a similar trypophobia video this summer and since then I've been drawing pictures of people with holes in their skin in my math notes. I think it awakened something in me.
On October 25 2011 07:32 jalstar wrote: I saw a similar trypophobia video this summer and since then I've been drawing pictures of people with holes in their skin in my math notes. I think it awakened something in me.
Yeah, this thread should never have existed in the first. It freaks me out, before watching that video I would never had any problem what so ever with holes.
Well, even if the OP is not trolling, the poll certainly is.. I simply refuse to believe that 20% of all people on this site has this phobia.. Zerg whining taken to a hole new level imo
On October 25 2011 07:37 ELA wrote: Well, even if the OP is not trolling, the poll certainly is.. I simply refuse to believe that 20% of all people on this site has this phobia.. Zerg whining taken to a hole new level imo
On October 25 2011 06:33 WhiteDog wrote: Damn ever since I saw that fucking video, it inch all over my body and shit. Seriously, I never thought I had anything against hole since I saw that fucking shit, it's been one hour already and I'm not feeling any better.
Remove this post already omg.
The Mind is a powerful thing huh if you weren't thinking about it you wouldn't be itchy.
Exactly.
Okay, this is me, planting an idea in your mind. I say: don't think about elephants. What are you thinking about?
i was a blizzcon and i had the privilege of playing HotS...You gotta be kidding me...if the sight of a zerg unit disturbs you then the game designers are doing their job. They are the bug race and they should frighten. imo they should be more disgusting looking
On October 25 2011 07:37 ELA wrote: Well, even if the OP is not trolling, the poll certainly is.. I simply refuse to believe that 20% of all people on this site has this phobia.. Zerg whining taken to a hole new level imo
It's 8%. And how is this whining?
Well playing a race of bugs and complaining about them being too much like bugs is pretty strange and whiny to me, sorry
Gawd, I have to try so hard to resist the urge to troll. That's probably a symptom of this highly credible phobia that you can freely cite from credible sources such as urban dictionary or wikipedia.
OP, you'd have to post far, far more believable sources than a video featuring camera pans of seemingly high resolution images of stuff with holes in it that DIDNT cite urban dictionary immediately and try to use whether or not people were itchy as a determining factor in identifying a phobia.
I'm willing to believe that 10% of the population is itchy and does not realize it. Until something actually resembling science is shown, I'm unwilling to believe that 10% of the population has an irrational fear of holes.
Some of the images in that video were fucking disgusting man.... especially the fingers with no nails or whatever that thing was i was grossed out. But otherwise i had no problems getting through the video. it is kinda disturbing though when you think about such stuff and then look at the swarm host... most likely not going to be a problem when playing the game
Even if this only impacted 1% of people, Blizzard would change it. In fact, I am sure they are already working on a way to change it.
Its not like there is something intrinsically valuable about the current model. Its a model of something that isn't even real, which gives Blizzard a lot of wiggle room. By the sounds of it, a surprising amount of people experience this, and it makes not only playing the game less comfortable and enjoyable, but VIEWING the game as well for these people. Blizzard makes money from the viewing of SC2 games. Thus, Blizzard has a financial interest in fixing this. I'm surprised, to be honest, that some people don't have the sense to see this.
I just want to say FUCK THIS THREAD I NOW HAVE A PHOBIA OF THE TOAD THAT SHOOTS BABY TOADS OUT OF ITS BACK why i watched this was beyond me. All fucking day i have been just getting goosebumps just thinking of Toads shooting out of one anothers back.
It's not a phobia, those videos are simply just gross...
and apparently half the people in this thread have never seen a game with zerg. Many zerg buildings have holes / mouth things, and they're not supposed to look pleasant anyways.
On October 25 2011 07:37 ELA wrote: Well, even if the OP is not trolling, the poll certainly is.. I simply refuse to believe that 20% of all people on this site has this phobia.. Zerg whining taken to a hole new level imo
It's 8%. And how is this whining?
Well playing a race of bugs and complaining about them being too much like bugs is pretty strange and whiny to me, sorry
Also, its 17%
show me one bug that has aggregate holes on its body and i'll take your argument seriously (as well as shudder in revulsion)
On October 25 2011 08:42 Phyrful wrote: It's not a phobia, those videos are simply just gross...
and apparently half the people in this thread have never seen a game with zerg. Many zerg buildings have holes / mouth things, and they're not supposed to look pleasant anyways.
it isn't just holes that are gross, it's the aggregation of them.
I was afraid this was gonne happen but now ppl are starting to link disgusting videos in this thread. Could you like at least spoiler it so i don't need to wrestle to keep my food in my stomach?
On October 25 2011 08:42 Phyrful wrote: It's not a phobia, those videos are simply just gross...
and apparently half the people in this thread have never seen a game with zerg. Many zerg buildings have holes / mouth things, and they're not supposed to look pleasant anyways.
Are you honestly trying to say that the people in the thread who have said this applies to this..are lying? Did you read the wikipedia article on it? This is a real thing. I don't experience it, but there are obviously quite a few people who do. This is different than something being gross.
On October 25 2011 07:37 ELA wrote: Well, even if the OP is not trolling, the poll certainly is.. I simply refuse to believe that 20% of all people on this site has this phobia.. Zerg whining taken to a hole new level imo
Well played Sort of on topic - that whole toad that gives birth through its back really isn't that disgusting, at least in a more neutral context. The vid that exal shared makes it more of an awwwwwwww moment
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On October 25 2011 08:52 Mohdoo wrote: Are you honestly trying to say that the people in the thread who have said this applies to this..are lying? Did you read the wikipedia article on it? This is a real thing. I don't experience it, but there are obviously quite a few people who do. This is different than something being gross.
I'm sure he would've read the wikipedia article for it... if it existed :/ There's an urban dictionary entry for it but that's not exactly the most credible source ever given.
On October 25 2011 09:00 ZeromuS wrote: Its not the holes its the way the units are spawned - watching them pop out of the back after that weird frog video is making me have the shivers.
Then you can blame the OP for these, not some weird sickness.
On October 25 2011 08:42 Phyrful wrote: It's not a phobia, those videos are simply just gross...
and apparently half the people in this thread have never seen a game with zerg. Many zerg buildings have holes / mouth things, and they're not supposed to look pleasant anyways.
Are you honestly trying to say that the people in the thread who have said this applies to this..are lying? Did you read the wikipedia article on it? This is a real thing. I don't experience it, but there are obviously quite a few people who do. This is different than something being gross.
There is no Wikipedia entry on 'trypophobia'. Perhaps you are referring to the suspect Wikipedia entry on Trypanophobia. Simple fact: 'trypophobia' isn't a recognized phobia, regardless of if there are those who experience it as such.
On October 25 2011 08:41 DreamChaser wrote: I just want to say FUCK THIS THREAD I NOW HAVE A PHOBIA OF THE TOAD THAT SHOOTS BABY TOADS OUT OF ITS BACK why i watched this was beyond me. All fucking day i have been just getting goosebumps just thinking of Toads shooting out of one anothers back.
This, this omg. I can't get those shit out of my head now.
Just about the "phobia" idea, here is a Phobia list. Among the phobia, there is the :
Arachibutyrophobia- Fear of peanut butter sticking to the roof of the mouth.
Anglophobia- Fear of England or English culture, etc.
I don't have problems like these, but obviously if people have a real phobia it should be changed. I doubt anyone here is a mental health professional so lets stop with the arm chair psychology...
also lol at it's not on Wikipedia so its not real. You'll find that a lot of very real things and people are not on Wikipedia. I'm honestly surprised by how often I can't find an entry on Wikipedia for things that don't even seem that obscure, especially when I'm studying. I would not expect obscure phobias to make it onto Wikipedia.
I just took a quick look at the phobia list, and the second phobia Acarophobia is not on Wikipedia. It's the fear of itching, so, like I said, don't expect Wikipedia to have everything under the sun.
On October 25 2011 08:41 DreamChaser wrote: I just want to say FUCK THIS THREAD I NOW HAVE A PHOBIA OF THE TOAD THAT SHOOTS BABY TOADS OUT OF ITS BACK why i watched this was beyond me. All fucking day i have been just getting goosebumps just thinking of Toads shooting out of one anothers back.
Wow, I thought that baby toad shooter was amazing. Second most interesting thing I've seen today right after this thread.
On October 25 2011 05:34 cosineInfinity wrote: Don't suffer from it personally, but I can understand those with the phobia.
I don't think the swarm host needs a change, though; I don't think it's that bad.
This "phobia" does not exist.
It literally takes less than a minute to read up on this and understand that this is not a legitimate medical or psychological condition. Don't just accept things at face value, people.
*sigh* I know I was avoiding posting in this pointless thread but I can resist.
I completely agree, I mean the first thing that the 'test' says is that 'Tryophobia, the unofficial word adopted by urban dictionary'.
I get all my medical terminology from urban dictionary.
The sad thing isn't that the OP and his ilk are trying to sneak one by us here. The sad thing is that half of the thread believes him and doesn't question this invented sickness. :lol
On October 25 2011 06:00 Bobster wrote: Hey, you can "not like this" - that's perfectly fine. You can even find it disgusting. That's exactly the effect Blizzard is going for with every Zerg unit (not sure why anyone would find Banelings "cute", the artwork and actual in-game model is pretty disgusting).
Just don't call this a phobia and try to argue from a standpoint of medical need or some shit.
Banelings are so cute. Round and squishy and they can even roll around. (Round things do actually tend to be considered cute).
On October 25 2011 05:34 cosineInfinity wrote: Don't suffer from it personally, but I can understand those with the phobia.
I don't think the swarm host needs a change, though; I don't think it's that bad.
This "phobia" does not exist.
It literally takes less than a minute to read up on this and understand that this is not a legitimate medical or psychological condition. Don't just accept things at face value, people.
*sigh* I know I was avoiding posting in this pointless thread but I can resist.
I completely agree, I mean the first thing that the 'test' says is that 'Tryophobia, the unofficial word adopted by urban dictionary'.
I get all my medical terminology from urban dictionary.
The sad thing isn't that the OP and his ilk are trying to sneak one by us here. The sad thing is that half of the thread believes him and doesn't question this invented sickness. :lol
On October 25 2011 06:00 Bobster wrote: Hey, you can "not like this" - that's perfectly fine. You can even find it disgusting. That's exactly the effect Blizzard is going for with every Zerg unit (not sure why anyone would find Banelings "cute", the artwork and actual in-game model is pretty disgusting).
Just don't call this a phobia and try to argue from a standpoint of medical need or some shit.
Banelings are so cute. Round and squishy and they can even roll around. (Round things do actually tend to be considered cute).
nothing is cute when you look at it close enough... on the topic, I'd say if the number of people who would get severely affected by this artwork is high enough i wouldn't mind them changing it.
If starcraft (or games in general) changed things based on peoples phobias we'd have squares vs triangles vs circles instead of actual races. But even then I'm sure there's phobias for basic shapes.
How many games have spiders in them? A lot. Do you think the developers ever thought about peoples phobias when putting spiders in those games?
The majority of people in this thread seem to be attempting to debunk this phobia. However it's not about the OP saying that we will get itchy then we must have this phobia, it's about what happens when you see this kind of stuff.
Before I knew what this was, whenever I would see things like a Lotus seed pod or anything with holes in that similar manner, I would literally freak out. It doesn't look right, it makes me want to throw up, it makes me want to run away. I don't know how else I can describe it, I don't know why I react the way I do but the Swarm Host is definitely something that makes the game less enjoyable for me now. I have to try my damnedest to deal with this because it will be in a game I love. I wish Blizzard would change it but I know they most likely won't.
That being said, a lot of you people don't seem to have any respect because you think it's not a real phobia or think it's just silly in general. Grow up and stop trolling. I can't help the fact that this freaks me out, obviously it's all psychological and if I knew how to fix it I would.
I have to feel that the first video had a very strong placebo effect working for it. Perhaps there are people who actually suffer from this phobia, but I feel that this number is over represented due to this effect. Anyway, are the zerg supposed to be nice to look at?
No, the video is a poor attempt to identify the phobia in addition. It intentionally shows typically unattractive images (frogs, bugs, bad apples) so that right off the bat makes it uneasy.
zerg is supposed to be the creepy insect race. they are doing good job with the artwork (except the ultralisk looks like a dinosaur)
if u have a fobia for certain things for example spiders then dont play games with giant spiders in them, as simple as that. personally i feel really uncomfortable with brains, organs and shit like that in real life (dont know if its a fobia or not, maybe its just normal lol) but when i see it in movies its much less uncomfortable. and if i play a video game where units splash from inside out it doesnt bother me at all. my point is shouldnt ur fobia be pretty extreme to actually make u this bothered by a unit in a computer game?
People need to calm the fuck down. He's not suggesting that they change the art because people are "afraid of it" he just wants to see how many people are bugged out by it.
Swarm Host itself doesn't creep me out since I'll never be that zoomed in anyway and when I play I don't really consider the art of the unit. That first video however freaked me out. Not a fan. The photo-shopped fingers with the lampreys fucked with my head the first time I saw it, and it did again. Gross.
On October 25 2011 10:14 duBstar wrote: The majority of people in this thread seem to be attempting to debunk this phobia. However it's not about the OP saying that we will get itchy then we must have this phobia, it's about what happens when you see this kind of stuff.
Before I knew what this was, whenever I would see things like a Lotus seed pod or anything with holes in that similar manner, I would literally freak out. It doesn't look right, it makes me want to throw up, it makes me want to run away. I don't know how else I can describe it, I don't know why I react the way I do but the Swarm Host is definitely something that makes the game less enjoyable for me now. I have to try my damnedest to deal with this because it will be in a game I love. I wish Blizzard would change it but I know they most likely won't.
That being said, a lot of you people don't seem to have any respect because you think it's not a real phobia or think it's just silly in general. Grow up and stop trolling. I can't help the fact that this freaks me out, obviously it's all psychological and if I knew how to fix it I would.
I believe such things exists. Phobias are IRRATIONAL by nature, so it's definitely possible. What I'm saying is people like you should go to the psychiatrist, there's very specific treatments for phobic disorders. The game shouldn't be changed at all...
On October 25 2011 10:34 taldarimAltar wrote: I have a little bit of this phobia, makes the hair on my neck stand, give me the chills but its not debillitating
This is an example of what's NOT a phobia. Phobias are severe anxiety disorders, so they manifest as such. Tachycardia, cold sweating, desperate need to get away from the trigger, taking special measures to avoid the phobic trigger, lightheadedness, sometimes fainting, tremors, are all possible manifestations, in the context of an irrational and uncontrollable response. Patients afflicted know and understand their fear is irrational, but they can't control it.
Why this thread alive? I don't understand the OP, or a reason to change a unit in a VIDEO GAME to suit peoples phobia, I am sorry if you r scared of something like this but no, no u not allowed to change my game for you being scared!! they myswell change it to, Any one i play against has no attacking units because im scared of those too!
I don't think it Blizz will change it, because during a game the first thing you think about when seeing a Swarm Host is "crap, those little boogers will will me" then after a bit of battle, then you think "damn that's gross!"
And I doubt many times it will be creepy cause you'll be trying to kill it.
i think theres such a small amount of people with that Phobia (and its not like its one with a super major reaction) that blizz is unlikely to change the swarm host due to it
although i would like a change to the animation, as of now (from waht ive seen) its got a bunch of holes with the blue stuff, then all of it disapears to produce one swarmling thing
i think it would be better if it started empty then they slowly starting filling after burrowing and each one launched after one filled
I'd like to think that phobias are like diseases, and that it's not peoples fault that they have them. However I have this nagging "deal with it" feeling that I just can't get rid of. I apply this rule to things like hunting massive spiders that I spot intruding in my house. But like I said, I'd like to believe that phobias are like diseases, but on other hand thinking like that might only encourage the phobia-owner to be more afraid because "it's not my fault, it's just natural".
Oh well, I don't know. However it is, I don't think it's Blizzards responsibility to take into account every single disease out there, even if phobias are those. I mean, as much as you'd like SC2 to be compatible with people who lost one of their hands (to extent that they can be pros), it just can't be. I'd apply this rule to other rare things that might impair the player.
On October 24 2011 20:35 Ahelvin wrote: Hahaha that's so awesome.
Suddenly, in a pro game, the Terran scans in front of his base and starts to scratch his skin like crazy... That's facing the gross and disgusting zerg for you !
Winner winner, chicken dinner.
And I don't have it or mind the unit model. I also think it's funny how the vid's top rated comment is 14 hours old, saying "Team Liquid sent me," and it has 415 upvotes already.
That pic from the last page bothers me quite a bit to be honest. And according to the poll, I'm not the only one. The Swarm Lord happened to remind me exactly of a similar pic.I will get used to the design eventually I guess, but it's not my first choice.
Whoa...today at work, some dried up soup at the bottom on the pot resembled what is described in the OP. I actually had to wash that particular pot for my coworker because she got all scared. crazy shit.
On October 25 2011 11:39 sureshot_ wrote: This poll is useless. Half of these pictures are just disgusting. Stop blending this phobia of holes with a common disgust of things unnatural.
Exactly. The latter half of the video is totally misleading due to the gross things popping out of holes. The definition of the phobia clearly just states a fear of holes and makes no mention of gross things popping out of holes. The only examples of this phobia were the beginning pics of the chocolate bar and honeycomb, etc. The rest were just gross out vids that have nothing to do with the phobia as described by the definition of it.
I think it's a bit difficult for Blizzard to try and cover any possible phobia that people suffer from unless it's particularly well known. Also Zerg is meant to look creepy and threatening not cuddly. Gotta agree with earlier posters that the stuff in the second half of the vid like holes in human flesh and what not is just plain yucky rather than anything to do with a fear of a hole.
Showing the pictures of stuff growing in skin isn't a cause phobia. If anyone looks at like mangled human parts or gross rashes with puss they are disgusted.
I'd downvote this thread if I could. Zerg larve are similar to maggots and such, and the thought of crawling insects that can penetrate you skin and do all sorts of crazy disgusting things is probably enough to make more people uneasy. Haven't seen any threads on changing the zerg larve.
That picture is just VISCERALLY disgusting. It has nothing to do with "patterns".
Should zerg get removed cuz they're bugs and this is gross? It's the same thing.
Come on people use some common sense
That picture reminds me of this 'shopped picture of a breast/nipple/areola with like honeycomb holes. Idk if I had or have trypophobia, but that picture scarred me life--and this thread (and the youtube test) just reminded me about it. *sigh*
The reason it reminded you of it is because its the exact same trick. I'm suprised you didn't notice it. Its just the locust seed photoshopped onto body parts.
Whoever the man was that made that picture was a master troll, because he gave everyone here this "phobia"
I can understand that people will view this thread as a joke, but for some reason the swarm host design bothers me A LOT. Everytime I look at it I literally get shivers/goosebumps.
On October 25 2011 12:28 yeastiality wrote: I think this is a good metric for who the "true zerg players" are
If I saw that stuff in front of me, I'd scream like a little girl. On a computer screen, though? It's fascinating!
Ya, I'm in the same boat as you. It's just weird when only the swarm host gives you goosebumps/shivers whenever you see it. I enjoy the creepy designs as much as anyone else (infestor/muta/roach), but the reaction that I get from the swarm host is unique.
On October 25 2011 12:25 jongzor wrote: I can understand that people will view this thread as a joke, but for some reason the swarm host design bothers me A LOT. Everytime I look at it I literally get shivers/goosebumps.
^ oh god, i keep getting the chills looking at that.
THIS is the only thing that creeps me out.AJHDGLJKAH
On October 25 2011 12:25 jongzor wrote: I can understand that people will view this thread as a joke, but for some reason the swarm host design bothers me A LOT. Everytime I look at it I literally get shivers/goosebumps.
Should zerg get removed cuz they're bugs and this is gross? It's the same thing.
Come on people use some common sense
That picture reminds me of this 'shopped picture of a breast/nipple/areola with like honeycomb holes. Idk if I had or have trypophobia, but that picture scarred me life--and this thread (and the youtube test) just reminded me about it. *sigh*
The reason it reminded you of it is because its the exact same trick. I'm suprised you didn't notice it. Its just the locust seed photoshopped onto body parts.
Whoever the man was that made that picture was a master troll, because he gave everyone here this "phobia"
So do you think it's only the very last frame that just "bugs" the hell out of us? And through association we feel uneasy when we see this bubbly/hole pattern else where?
that type of frog has always grossed me out. and the last pic with the asian chick did make me itchy. the rest was fine. i like that i feel uncomfortable looking at the swarm host though. zerg SHOULD be gross. i also like that it's not just more generic spikes and shit and they did something slightly different with its design.
This probably strays a bit from the OP, but I just hope people don't start thinking "Trypophobia" is a real phobia recognized by people who diagnose phobias (i.e. psychologists). The reason why "Trypophobia" is a word you can find in the Urban Dictionary but you will never find in any psychology manual is because the fear you are describing is not directly caused by holes per se.
In the youtube video, most of the pictures/scenes that were disturbing involved insects/weird stuff popping out of the said holes. Thus the fear is not induced directly by the sight of the hole, but rather by the thought of that some insect/creepy/harmful creature might pop out of the hole and cause you ill. Such fear is not necessarily irrational. Heck, if you weren't creeped out AT ALL at some point by the video, I would dare say there is something wrong with you.
Think of the following: Vespene geysers? Probably not creepy right? But an apple full of holes made by worms? Disgusting! A sieve? Not creepy. Holes made by maggots? Ewww.
My point is that the term "Trypophobia" is not recognized by science because it has no scientific base. So to come back to the OP, people who have fear of creatures popping out of holes should:
A. Not play Zerg B. Never research burrow C. Look away when burrowing and unburrowing
Should zerg get removed cuz they're bugs and this is gross? It's the same thing.
Come on people use some common sense
That picture reminds me of this 'shopped picture of a breast/nipple/areola with like honeycomb holes. Idk if I had or have trypophobia, but that picture scarred me life--and this thread (and the youtube test) just reminded me about it. *sigh*
The reason it reminded you of it is because its the exact same trick. I'm suprised you didn't notice it. Its just the locust seed photoshopped onto body parts.
Whoever the man was that made that picture was a master troll, because he gave everyone here this "phobia"
So do you think it's only the very last frame that just "bugs" the hell out of us? And through association we feel uneasy when we see this bubbly/hole pattern else where?
For the 1% you can't stand holes, no, for everyone else yes. Unless the sight of asymetric holes sends you running, you're not part of that of that 1%. Everyones overblowing this
On October 25 2011 12:25 jongzor wrote: I can understand that people will view this thread as a joke, but for some reason the swarm host design bothers me A LOT. Everytime I look at it I literally get shivers/goosebumps.
^ oh god, i keep getting the chills looking at that.
THIS is the only thing that creeps me out.AJHDGLJKAH
a lot of things are disgusting when attached to the human anatomy.. doesnt mean they're disgusting in and of itself
What does this "phobia" even have to do with the design of the Swarm Host? We shouldn't be targeting specific phobias in the first place. I don't care if people hate the Swarm Host because of some phobia. I care if they dislike the Swarm Host in general, regardless of the cause.
The phobia is completely unrelated to why the Swarm Host could be considered unpleasant. Fix this. The entire thread just seems like a campaign to raise awareness of an irrational fear that most people will only give a second thought to now that it's been introduced to them, and it's given people a false sense of what the fear supposedly is in the first place. If you want to hate on the design, create a thread that hates on the design, then use something like this (not that it would work, because it's a ridiculously manipulative action that ignores any statistical integrity) to support it. Don't just single it out, otherwise you look like a prick who just wants attention for something while barely relating it to the topic at hand.
I don't like the design of the Swarm Host and think it should be changed, but it's not due to this "phobia". I guess that means my opinion shouldn't count.
On October 24 2011 20:34 IplayTerran wrote: this topic make's not sense at all.
You obviously haven't ever had an experience with a true phobia. I don't have Trypophobia, and watched the video fine, but I used to have a serious issue with Aichmophobia (fear of needles or very pointed objects) and literally could not get a shot until I was like 14 because I just hated needles that much. They had to put me to sleep to do it. It's an IRRATIONAL fear, that's why its a phobia, but it doesn't make it stupid, its a legitimate psychological issue.
On October 25 2011 12:51 Zeke50100 wrote: What does this "phobia" even have to do with the design of the Swarm Host? We shouldn't be targeting specific phobias in the first place. I don't care if people hate the Swarm Host because of some phobia. I care if they dislike the Swarm Host in general, regardless of the cause.
The phobia is completely unrelated to why the Swarm Host could be considered unpleasant. Fix this. The entire thread just seems like a campaign to raise awareness of an irrational fear that most people will only give a second thought to now that it's been introduced to them, and it's given people a false sense of what the fear supposedly is in the first place. If you want to hate on the design, create a thread that hates on the design, then use something like this (not that it would work, because it's a ridiculously manipulative action that ignores any statistical integrity) to support it. Don't just single it out, otherwise you look like a prick who just wants attention for something while barely relating it to the topic at hand.
I don't like the design of the Swarm Host and think it should be changed, but it's not due to this "phobia". I guess that means my opinion shouldn't count.
Wait so you think this guy doesn't like the design and is making up an excuse to criticize it? What? The OP is bringing up the issue of the design as it relates to this specific condition. This is why he doesn't like it very much, he isn't using this as an excuse to hate on it. I have absolutely no idea what your thought process was while making that post.
To be honest, "irregular holes" or "asymmetry" have nothing to do with disgust for holes in humans skin caused by parasites, disease, or Photoshop.
I'm fairly sure that the vast majority of people feel disgust at lacerations and wounds at the sizes shown in human skin for rational reasons. For one thing, wounds that size are instinctually recognized as "a bad sign" for obvious reasons.
I'm surprised there's so much argument about whether this phobia is a real psychological condition or not, when it's pretty obvious to everyone that whether or not people are genuinely phobic, creatures popping out of HOLES IN ANOTHER CREATURE'S BODY is pretty fucking disgusting. I didn't "itch" and I don't claim to be phobic, but the images of painted or shopped "sores" on people's bodies, especially with shit coming out of them, and even the frogs popping out of the mother frog, just grosses me out. It probably has to do with the fact that people have evolved to find sickness disgusting, and if you have shit popping out of you like that you're pretty fucking sick.
So.. all I'm saying is that the Swarm Host artwork is gross (way grosser than the other zerg "bugs") because it resembles open sores and parasites, and I hope blizzard changes it up some. Not because of phobias, but just because it's fucking gross.
Bro, im sure you had good intentions when making this thread, however, It is kind of ridiculous. Why would Blizzard ever change the way a unit works just because a few people are scarred of, oh my god, holes in its back.
I agree. Blizzard should definitely change the unit appearance. High percentage of people are affected by it so they really should do something about it.
This doesnt really bother me at all but if it bothers enough people (doesnt need to be majority by any means) i suppose it may be worth including an alternate animation (kinda like how some games can play without blood or something) where its just a sphere back without holes.
I mean even if its like 18% that are bothered, its not like the other 82% of people are like NO THE HOLES ARE WHAT MAKE THE UNIT COOL!
I am all for people being considerate of others, and I respect that people are legitimately scared of these things, but I mean I don't think that changing the art would make sense at all. Should designers completely omit the ubiquitous spider because of (the much more common) arachnophobia? Should revelers avoid balloons because of globophobia? Cater to the masses, I say. And I think the swarm host looks AWESOME. The pulsating nastiness that makes you squirm a bit is a plus. After all, the Zerg are supposed to strike terror in the heart of all Terrans (us).
Things with holes (like those flower-seed photoshops a while back) really creep me out, and that video totally made me feel uneasy and yes itchy. Apparently I have this.
I don't think they should change the swarm host graphic though, it's too cartoony to trigger it.
On October 25 2011 12:51 Zeke50100 wrote: What does this "phobia" even have to do with the design of the Swarm Host? We shouldn't be targeting specific phobias in the first place. I don't care if people hate the Swarm Host because of some phobia. I care if they dislike the Swarm Host in general, regardless of the cause.
The phobia is completely unrelated to why the Swarm Host could be considered unpleasant. Fix this. The entire thread just seems like a campaign to raise awareness of an irrational fear that most people will only give a second thought to now that it's been introduced to them, and it's given people a false sense of what the fear supposedly is in the first place. If you want to hate on the design, create a thread that hates on the design, then use something like this (not that it would work, because it's a ridiculously manipulative action that ignores any statistical integrity) to support it. Don't just single it out, otherwise you look like a prick who just wants attention for something while barely relating it to the topic at hand.
I don't like the design of the Swarm Host and think it should be changed, but it's not due to this "phobia". I guess that means my opinion shouldn't count.
Wait so you think this guy doesn't like the design and is making up an excuse to criticize it? What? The OP is bringing up the issue of the design as it relates to this specific condition. This is why he doesn't like it very much, he isn't using this as an excuse to hate on it. I have absolutely no idea what your thought process was while making that post.
No, my point is that the thread says "We should change the Swarm Host's design because of this phobia."
No. What the hell? We should change it because people don't like it, not because of some phobia. The thread unnecessarily draws attention to something that could otherwise have been COMPLETELY avoided, and this 29+ page dump truck wouldn't be here about phobias.
On October 25 2011 12:25 jongzor wrote: I can understand that people will view this thread as a joke, but for some reason the swarm host design bothers me A LOT. Everytime I look at it I literally get shivers/goosebumps.
^ oh god, i keep getting the chills looking at that.
THIS is the only thing that creeps me out.AJHDGLJKAH
Are not zerg supposed to inspire fear into their enemies? Im sure if its a real big problem you could lower graphics till holes disappear perhaps. Sorry to hear about all yall phobia, must be terrible. Dam zergs and their psychological warfare!
Oh wow, I didn't know this existed. That's crazy that so many people are affected by it. I personally couldn't take the test because I started to itch the moment I heard the word "Itch"
I definitely am really, really disgusted and creeped out by this trypophobia thing. But the Swarm Host isn't that bad. I can live with it. Good thing I don't play Zerg.
well i itched but i think its just the cotton fabric, then i realized my smoke was being wasted so i had to move. I dont think i have it this was at 1:30. i know i dont have it lol. but it was to feel the suspense of wondering.
I can't watch utubs on this comp, but I definitely have trypophobia, but swarmhost isn't that bad (compared to things like google imgs trypophobia which makes me want to cut off the stuff in the imgs/skin craw/stomach turn). Also I feel like ingame you won't be concentrating on how they look, although I do find it uncomfortable to look at swarmhosts for over 2 sec or so. IMO just hi apm + don't concentrate on hosts and nearly everyone will be fine.
Just to be safe blizz should prolly change it a bit, esp since new graphics aren't going to hurt any1....
I really can't stand the artwork or the concept of this unit what so ever , its groses me and give weird chills/goosbumps of disgust. And the worst part is that I play zerg.
I'm sooo worried dude.
I really I had to close the video when I watched, I don't know if is it phobia , but I just couldn't stand it I swear to god , I hope the change it for real.
I really wish they would just change it, the lurker did not have this problem. I was going to make a thread about this issue, but then I remembered how immature the TL community is so I reconsidered. Luckily my trypophobia isn't bad enough to the point where I can't stand looking at the unit as is temporarily.
you cant compare that on humans look argh and on a sc2 unit, its so completly different like you show a video of war crime killing people etc and say "in sc2 they also kill" etc ... not to be compared !
It makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable like ugghhh, stomach churning and heat beats slightly faster.
And no i'm not being a troll.
That image is extremely disturbing. I can say with total honesty, that I feel itchy and repulsed by that image. I can never look at the swarm host the same way again. Yuck man just...ugh.
On October 25 2011 15:22 neoghaleon55 wrote: I figured that one of the possible explanation for my trypophobia could have come from.... the surinam toad....
1- the swarm isn't supposed to be all cuddly and cute. but, if phobias are going to be that big a problem, why not just make every zerg unit a teddy bear. all the melee units give hugs, and the ranged shoot out little hearts. 2- i think the first video "phobia test" could be found slightly disturbing by almost anyone. it also exhibits a great example of the placebo effect (go look it up). if it weren't for the fact that they placed in the back of my mind, what i might feel, i probably would have felt nothing at all. 3- the actual swarm host art does not disturb me in the least. you didn't need to show me the frog with babies living in it's back. that was, i will admit, slightly disturbing. however the swarm host is not a frog, nor is it real,nor is it any type of real life edited event that has been created only to disturb people. the video you showed was, however, all of these in one. all you needed was to show video #2(the one with the actual topic). 4- if this thread was about a videogame unit, why did it start with a video of things that even people without this phobia could find disturbing. you may as well have linked to some article about scabies. 5- the SH does not bother me in the least, and neither does the idea of what it is, or it's artwork. i think it's cool. i think it fits the zerg ideal awesomely, and i think 66.6% of the votes made against it are T or P.
I never knew I had a minor condition until I saw the swarm host. It makes me feel uneasy and overall in a shitty mood after thinking about it. Sure, I've seen those gross infections and shit but I think everyone hates seeing those because we sure as hell don't want to catch it. I'm not even someone to be grossed out. That worm in the face didn't bother me, gore type things don't bother me and I can't really think of anything else that does that most people can find disturbing.
Half the people here are now saying the OP is just complaining about "gross things".
You're forgetting this is all about that pattern. The annoying thing to me, is that I only noticed these patterns now after the OP (and I have this problem, but not at an untolerable level) and get annoying tingles and around my neck when I even think about it.
This wasn't ever a problem because although zerg units are somewhat disgusting, they never had these hole-like patterns which triggers this "phobia".
I'm wondering why complain now since this design is already in WoL.The swarm host's back with the holes looks very much like a creep tumor. If you zoom into an unused creep tumor it very much looks like a swarm host burrowed.
BAH! I wouldn't have noticed this if you didn't point it out so blatantly. I guess I have the phobia... T___T (I also freak out at beehive patterns, someone help me!)
On October 25 2011 16:43 Classysaurus wrote: BAH! I wouldn't have noticed this if you didn't point it out so blatantly. I guess I have the phobia... T___T (I also freak out at beehive patterns, someone help me!)
I can't stand things that look parasitic in any way, and the little eggs coming out of the little holes on that things back make me a bit uneasy. It makes me sad when I reflect on it because the lurker is one of the coolest Zerg units ever and I like how the Swarm Host functions, just not how it looks while doing it.
I originally didn't like Zerg because I thought they were gross in the overall broad sense (which they are). I play them now since they're the most fun to me and I like how they function and produce, but this is a different kind of gross. It's more of an unnerving discomfort that rises in you and makes you feel nervous, anxious, and makes you squirm (I can't watch those things with those frogs that have eggs in their backs and things like ringworms and ticks fuck with me). It honestly wouldn't bother me if the unit laid the eggs or threw them up (like the Infestor with ITs).
I sincerely hope Blizzard never change a graphic because a few people are scared of it, ridiculous. Zerg are supposed to be creepy, if they make you itch then they've done their job.
Well, coming from a person that has this phobia, I've been constantly forcing myself to look at the pictures that bother me and the reaction isn't so bad anymore (been doing this while I was in the library studying all night). I actually just watched the swarm host preview video again and it didn't bother me one bit, but the gross pictures still give me a small reaction. Hopefully I can just keep training myself to not be completely disgusted by the pictures.
On October 25 2011 16:43 Classysaurus wrote: BAH! I wouldn't have noticed this if you didn't point it out so blatantly. I guess I have the phobia... T___T (I also freak out at beehive patterns, someone help me!)
I take it that you didn't like Banjo Kazooie.
And now I have to go listen to the theme for bubblegloop swamp again.....
On topic: Uhhhhhhhh I have a hard time actually believing this phobia will affect you in game, and I don't really think it should be changed. But I do want to see a halloween version of starcraft 2 where every unit is completely repulsive to the human eye and the game is unbearable to play..
So because it's on urban dictionary trypophobia is a real psychological phobia? Lol. Blizz developers at blizzcon on zerg units, namely the viper: 'you don't even want to click on it, it's so disgusting'. Anyone who has a problem with 'trypophobia' hasn't spent enough time on 4chan /b/
Okay, so now let's say you are in a match. Multiple choice question coming up:
You are: a) Going to be keeping up with macro, microing your infestors, spreading creep, etc. Seeing a million things happening on screen, units and buildings everywhere. or b) Doing nothing of worth and staring at the unit portrait for the Swarm Host exclusively.
I don't really think that test video is valid. If you're sitting there like "am I feeling uneasy? can I take it? do I have a phobia? is it itching?", which it invites you to do, of course you're gonna feel uneasy. The belief that something's bound to happen is a very powerful thing, think of the placebo effect. The biggest mistake you can make in an experiment with human subjects is to tell those subjects in advance what reactions you expect from them.
Plus, there were other things involved that can trigger uneasiness, like holes in bodies, insects etc.
I really don't like to bitch about things at all, but I did kind of notice this the first time I saw the Swarm Host. I'm generally not afraid of anything and I can handle my fair share of gore. The only thing that really gets to me is slow damage to human eyes and loss of nails.
What overcomes me though is the desire to rip those fucking eggs out of those holes. I just want to rip that fucker open and have those god damn things stop fucking taunting me.
I can sympathize with the fear thing though. I get it, it implies some sort of parasitic infection and we're programmed to avoid such things so it doesn't spread to us. Sure it's illogical to be threatened by a game and the zerg are supposed to be nasty, but this guy strikes a very specific nerve I find.
On October 25 2011 19:21 DarQraven wrote: Okay, so now let's say you are in a match. Multiple choice question coming up:
You are: a) Going to be keeping up with macro, microing your infestors, spreading creep, etc. Seeing a million things happening on screen, units and buildings everywhere. or b) Doing nothing of worth and staring at the unit portrait for the Swarm Host exclusively.
Make your pick.
You seem to have forgotten that SC2 also has a single player experience, WHICH IS COMPLETELY ZERG ORIENTED THIS TIME. You also seem to have forgotten that everyone who plays this game aren't good at macroing, microing and all that other crap. in fact most players sit in the bronze league were most players watch the battles from start to finish without ever moving the screen.
If a new unit pops up I'm sure as hell going to stare at the picture until my optical senses are satisfied. With that said;
No. The unit design does not bother me, but that video did because of that disgusting fish, and not the holes.
1 in 5 feel disgusted by the swarm host holes. Doesn't seem like the 0.1% some people were talking about. The question that as many people would feel disgusted by all zerg units seems unlikely seeing that this is the first time this issue has ever been brought up. Zerg units may remember insects, but one thing is them being ugly to look at, another is them making one uncomfortable when he looks at it. Lotus seed pods for instance are kind of beautiful but i personally still find them uncomfortable to look at.
so, when i saw the apple with the tiny hole i instantly turned the browser off and my heartbeat went a bit crazy, but i feel comfortable watching the swarmhost, i mean, i am not afraid or disgusted by it... nor am i by any other zerg unit :D
Made it all the way through the video. Some real gross stuff in there especially the fingertip one.
I did get a tad itchy during the video but not nearly enough for me to actually scratch. Based on the number of people that it makes uncomfortable maybe they should do a different art design. Interesting stuff
I think the Swarm Host looks like a mario kart- turtle with a toad's back(some toads keep their brood in holes on their back)..I love the role it filles. Every race should be able to contain/pressure/siege midgame.
Lol am I the only one that watched those bot fly larva videos multiple times, there kind of gross but... I cant look away, the fact that some absurd parasites like that actually exist is so cool.
I think it's ridiculous to ever consider changing artwork due to potential phobias.
Phobias, by definition, are irrational. And irrational beliefs and fears should not be respected, as that only further enables the irrational belief or fear.
As someone who suffers from trypophobia, I hate it. I'm not sure if I should play zerg and never make them or play another race and try to kill them now.
I hear that Selendis is the reason that 38% of all Protoss players play that race, Kerrigan is the reason that 84% of all Zerg players play that race, and Nova is the reason why 95% of all Terran players play that race.
Can we get some augmented adjusted breast sizes in here so that we get an even ratio of each race being played?
Hahaha, I know exactly what the OP means -- those photoshopped images of lamprey mouths onto hands/etc. are DISGUSTING as fuck, but I think the swarm host looks cute.
On October 26 2011 07:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I find this rather silly.
I hear that Selendis is the reason that 38% of all Protoss players play that race, Kerrigan is the reason that 84% of all Zerg players play that race, and Nova is the reason why 95% of all Terran players play that race.
Can we get some augmented adjusted breast sizes in here so that we get an even ratio of each race being played?
I think that you are vastly underestimating Selendis, good sir, though you are probably right about Nova.
All jokes aside, the video was rather disturbing, and I felt an intense compulsion to smash my screen and/or close the browser tab.
However, when I think of the Swarm Host, I think about destroying things and infection through the Swarm. Mmmmmmm.
I'm not gonna lie, I thought exactly of the lotus pics that I see on 4chan every now and again when I saw the swarm host. It hasn't really creeped me out, it just makes me feel uneasy...
Wait why does it tell you the symptoms of trypophobia before it shows the video. Does it not understand confirmation bias? That's just stupid.
I don't get the phobia. I watched it and was very confused. Obviously the idea of holes and pustules on skin is very disturbing, but pizza dough and apples? I don't get it.
it was difficult for me to watch clips of the swarm host in the HOTS reveal. makes me feel really uncomfortable and i start almost instantly sweating. i really hope blizzard changes it
I get uneasy by seeing the lotus picture for some reason, but just seeing a lot of holes such as in Areo chocolate or a behive is fine. I felt fine seeing the Swarm Host as well although I do think it's design isn't fantastic. Redesigning it slightly would be great.
Hmm cool video I made it though no problem, I am curious if someone who really suffers from this would really have an issue in game... I think it is a sill thought, but non the less and I'm interested...
My friends brought the trypophobia topic up a few weeks ago. I have a pretty serious case of trypophobia and i thought everybody was like me until that discussion.
Swarm host does not bother me IF i haven't had a trypophobic(?) episode recently. I looked at the swarm host after 20mins of watching that trypophobia test video and.. I WANT TO PEEL MY SKIN OFF
And p.s. for some people out there: Of course nobody is afraid of the holes.It makes you itch like hell and feel like crap.
On October 26 2011 08:51 DoubleReed wrote: Wait why does it tell you the symptoms of trypophobia before it shows the video. Does it not understand confirmation bias? That's just stupid.
I don't get the phobia. I watched it and was very confused. Obviously the idea of holes and pustules on skin is very disturbing, but pizza dough and apples? I don't get it.
Yeah I didn't get that one either... Very faulty "research" video. And what disturbed me was the movement of the frogs and whatnot more than anything. The food and even the eyes/arms and things had no effect.
That video was pretty weird, and I would really like to have the swarm host reworked, probably to something more like a lurker. Actually the thing that creeped me out more was one of the related videos on the sidebar about some giant spider.
It does look very creepy, kinda like one of those units in the campaign, the abberations, I think they were called? People should probably just deal with it, but I don't like the design, and it does look a bit weird and creepy.
On October 26 2011 04:31 minimalistic wrote: The poor bastards can not even play lego. How sad is that?
i'm fine with legos actually, nothing triggers from that pic or most of the holes stuff like ant hives or holes on the ground, no big deal.
Unless if there's appears alive in those holes, then i'll probably flip. Living worm or insects on tables = no big deal, the same thing in holes = panic
I think it has to do with being on the skin that freaks me out
Even IF this makes people feel uncomfortable and / or disgusted, im PRETTY SURE that it will be considered a perfect design from blizzard.... It's a zerg unit. This was their intention man.........
As a kid, I enjoyed many a day riling up the hornets nests around my neighborhood. Stingers be damned!!! I will enjoy killing the swarm hosts just as much as I did laying seige to hornets nests as a kid. This time I won't need my sweater armor.
On October 26 2011 11:35 McFeser wrote: What an unintentional wonderful troll thread. 34 pages of responses - not a single one that agrees with the OP.
Well, to be honest, I have very mild trypophobia and I knew that people would be saying that swarm host would be disgusting because of that. Trypophobia is actually quite common, and it sure freaked me out a little bit when I first saw it. Obviously not a valid reason to change a fine unit design, but it sure surprised the heck outta me.
I don't think that the swarm host needs those bulging holes though. Make it like a devourer
On October 26 2011 11:52 Endymion wrote: what the fuck was that frog, i didn't know things even existed like that on this beautiful planet, the horror..
I would very much like to know this aswell. I have a terrible fear for toads and I need someone to tell me that what I just saw was something absolutley disgusting so I can justify my fear.
It's defined as an irrational fear of nature's aesthetics. I actually found the video quite soothing. The only thing it missed was Sir David Attenburough's voice-over.
Don't cater to the irrational. Don't cater to the fear.
i never had those feelings before watching that damn video.....now i can't unsee the frog and the connection between it and the swarm host that this thread has conjured in me will haunt me now.........
I think lotus break was the first thing to ever truly gross me out online. I made up to the very last image in the video, but that actually gave me goosebumps and shivers and I had to look away.
I wanted to create a thread on TL about this too, but i found this So basically i watched sotg, onemoregame, ipl and many others (including yt videos) and when they were about to introduce the swarm hosts many of the streamers were warning the viewers and when it was showed many when "F@#$ that! turn that off"
To my amusement, many were scared, irritated, or rather feel uneasy watching the holes of it on the swarm host (that of the un-burrowed holes of bling on ultra settings) I used to thought it was only me.
Even though many are not scared of the holes, i can say many feel uneasy and irritated by the holes. Its a natural reaction to many too (even u dont have the phobia)
So im hoping Blizz would change part of it, though i dont really hold high hopes for blizz to change it for a small part of the community.
I have always had a mild case of this but never until just a few days ago realized it had a name. I have no issues at all with stuff like honey combs or similar but when it comes to stuff like this on human skin it completely freaks me out. I have no real problems with lotus seed pods and that frog is gross in another way and I don't really have a problem with the Swarm Host but I can totally understand people that do as it is borderline for me.
People that mock this needs to shut up, it's real. And like all/most phobias, it's not really rational or can be explained. You can't compare it to fear of the dark or anything like that. Fear of the dark very rarely triggers from watching a dark space, you have to be in the dark yourself etc.
A small change to the art work would be nice I think.
I guess it's hard to relate unless you have some sort of phobia as well, so I can't really say whether it really should be changed or not. I like the concept of the swarm host, so I wouldn't want it changed (unless they can make it look even better), but considering how many seem to be grossed out about it I suppose it'd be nice of blizzard to consider offering an alternative look for those who need it.
No, 1/10 on thread with such a small sample size does not warrant a change in the swarm host. I bet less than %1 of the population even have this phobia. Did blizzard remove the infestor because people have entomophobia? No! Just don't play zerg. Problem solved.
Just now watched the video... Ugh. It was very uncomfortable at times, but it was more kind of a placebo-ish thing, in that it was very hyped and the atmosphere was very odd. If i'd seen any of those images just randomly on the Animal Planet or something, I would probably be completely fine.
The last few ones (the ones with humans) were the ones that really made me sick, I'm actually really disgusted and weirded out by that kind of stuff. Nonetheless, I don't think I'll be shitting my pants over a swarm host push for the wrong reasons anytime soon.
Oh my god! I thought I was weird because I have always felt sick when looking at clusters of holes! I made it to 1.30 in the video until I had to itch my arm. It was super uncomfortable all the time though! :/
I seriously cant believe there is a phobia on this, but i think blizz should redesign it anyway, so i wouldnt mind it, just for the people who are affected
Watched the entire video and I didn't really find it any special but I did have one hell of a itch I wanted to scratch, a small spot right above my neck. I decided to wait to scratch it until the video ended and when it did the itch went away as well LOL.
The irrational fear of clusters of holes, pods, circles, cracks, and/or other asymmestrical shapes which results in an all-over itchy feeling and a general uneasiness.
Asymmetrical was also spelled wrong. This isn't a real condition.
On October 26 2011 11:52 Endymion wrote: what the fuck was that frog, i didn't know things even existed like that on this beautiful planet, the horror..
I would very much like to know this aswell. I have a terrible fear for toads and I need someone to tell me that what I just saw was something absolutley disgusting so I can justify my fear.
During each arc, the female releases 3-10 eggs, which get embedded in the skin on her back by the male's movements. After implantation the eggs sink into the skin and form pockets over a period of several days, eventually taking on the appearance of an irregular honeycomb. The larvae develop through the tadpole stage inside these pockets, eventually emerging from the mother's back as fully developed toads, though they are less than an inch long (2 cm). Once they have emerged from their mother's back, the toads begin a largely solitary life.
On October 26 2011 08:51 DoubleReed wrote: Wait why does it tell you the symptoms of trypophobia before it shows the video. Does it not understand confirmation bias? That's just stupid.
I don't get the phobia. I watched it and was very confused. Obviously the idea of holes and pustules on skin is very disturbing, but pizza dough and apples? I don't get it.
Yep. That's what happened through the entire thread... -_-
I'm sure that multiple people per page ACTUALLY have this phobia, right? To anyone saying they have this: what about burrowing and unburrowing zerglings, as Destiny said? How does that not trigger it?
I have pretty bad trypophobia, barnacles, everything like that really really bothers me and makes me itchy for like half an hour, even the mention of it has a pretty big effect. However I have no such reaction to the swarm host or any kind of video game creatures so I think I'm lucky in that I have to at least feel like it's something real. I also don't get the itchyness from say the Bunyip from FFX: http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Bunyip
On October 26 2011 08:51 DoubleReed wrote: Wait why does it tell you the symptoms of trypophobia before it shows the video. Does it not understand confirmation bias? That's just stupid.
I don't get the phobia. I watched it and was very confused. Obviously the idea of holes and pustules on skin is very disturbing, but pizza dough and apples? I don't get it.
Yep. That's what happened through the entire thread... -_-
I'm sure that multiple people per page ACTUALLY have this phobia, right? To anyone saying they have this: what about burrowing and unburrowing zerglings, as Destiny said? How does that not trigger it?
It does for me. Group 6+ zerglings and burrow them and then unburrow. The pecks they leave on the ground make me uneasy.
I'm quite amazed at some of the reactions in this topic. So far, the polls point out that over 1 out of 10 players is actually disgusted by the Swarm Host artwork. I would say that is a pretty high percentage.
Please be aware that such polls are NOT representative. The real number is almost certainly much lower. Polls like these are influenced by many things. One of them is, that people with this phobia are more likely to vote. That is a lot different from choosing a representative amount of people first and THEN asking them a question (or questions), which they all have to answer.
On October 26 2011 08:51 DoubleReed wrote: Wait why does it tell you the symptoms of trypophobia before it shows the video. Does it not understand confirmation bias? That's just stupid.
I don't get the phobia. I watched it and was very confused. Obviously the idea of holes and pustules on skin is very disturbing, but pizza dough and apples? I don't get it.
Yep. That's what happened through the entire thread... -_-
I'm sure that multiple people per page ACTUALLY have this phobia, right? To anyone saying they have this: what about burrowing and unburrowing zerglings, as Destiny said? How does that not trigger it?
It does for me. Group 6+ zerglings and burrow them and then unburrow. The pecks they leave on the ground make me uneasy.
Not Zerglings for me. Roach holes after they unborrow get me. As do burrowed Banelings because they have their dots which are small clustered holes. But this stuff is rather mild, and I can easily get over it. Browder's video of the Swarm Host was quite different and far worse, and I really do not want to have to watch it again.
Oh my god I haven't seen the swarm host up close until now.. That is disgusting..
I would very much prefer them to change it, I am terribly disgusted by that stuff.. I made it to the fish (or whatever) with holes in his back in the video, getting chills down my spine..
On October 26 2011 11:52 Endymion wrote: what the fuck was that frog, i didn't know things even existed like that on this beautiful planet, the horror..
I would very much like to know this aswell. I have a terrible fear for toads and I need someone to tell me that what I just saw was something absolutley disgusting so I can justify my fear.
During each arc, the female releases 3-10 eggs, which get embedded in the skin on her back by the male's movements. After implantation the eggs sink into the skin and form pockets over a period of several days, eventually taking on the appearance of an irregular honeycomb. The larvae develop through the tadpole stage inside these pockets, eventually emerging from the mother's back as fully developed toads, though they are less than an inch long (2 cm). Once they have emerged from their mother's back, the toads begin a largely solitary life.
The surinam toad, and the photoshopped lotus boob, lotus girl, and lamprey eels fingers are disgusting for a different reason though.
Holes in wood don't bother me. Holes in an apple don't bother me (unless I just took a huge bite out of it).
But seeing something erupt out of flesh (or the implication that something could crawl out of flesh), is disturbing.
The swarm host feeds into that fear too. But, whatever. I don't play zoomed in enough to really care. And frankly, I don't see "Marines" when I look at a StarCraft 2 marine. I see "Mobile small ranged unit." Yeah, if I pay attention I could point out his gun, and pieces of armor, but fuck if I'm paying that much attention during an actual game.
swarm host is ok but i probably have slight phobia of holes but then it is going to be even more fun stiming my marines running to it and kill it while zerg is not watching O_O
I seriously have to laugh at how a supposed Youtube "test" which not only tells the symptoms prior to the test thereby inducing bias, but also gives completely ridiculous examples. The skin on the back of that toad, and the smaller toads inside them, are fucking disgusting - phobia or not.
This is like testing phobia for the color red by showing gore videos. "Yeah I was pretty affected by that video where the girl was decapitated, guess the color red just somehow gets to me".
Now I can understand that there is such a phobia (how can you validate a phobia anyway?) and that some may find the Swam Host overly repulsive, but that test is useless and needs to get out of this discussion.
Good. Maybe I can get some free wins versus some Trypophobes. 1 base swarm host rush.
All kidding aside, I personally have no problem with the units appearance. However if some people will actually have a hard time enjoying the game because of it, I think they should change it before release. Would hate to hear stories about people quitting SC2 because they cant' get through a TvZ without itching or whatever the condition causes to happen.
Should a minority kill a perfectly good unit design ?
20+% is a big number mate.
I don't believe in that number. I have zero form of Trypophobia but due to the explanation I had an itch before the test even begun. They could have shown anything during that time span and I would still have had an itch.
Also I was uncomfortable because it was incredibly boring and I didn't make it past 20 seconds or something.
Edit: I don't like the design at all though, but it has nothing to do with Trypophobia.
On October 26 2011 08:51 DoubleReed wrote: Wait why does it tell you the symptoms of trypophobia before it shows the video. Does it not understand confirmation bias? That's just stupid.
I don't get the phobia. I watched it and was very confused. Obviously the idea of holes and pustules on skin is very disturbing, but pizza dough and apples? I don't get it.
Yep. That's what happened through the entire thread... -_-
I'm sure that multiple people per page ACTUALLY have this phobia, right? To anyone saying they have this: what about burrowing and unburrowing zerglings, as Destiny said? How does that not trigger it?
My "case" (I use that word only because I can't come up with anything better right away) is fairly mild, but the look of the unburrow holes causes a changing range of my skin to itch. It's really bizzare, but not something I would call life-changing.
Hahaha, I wonder how many people got suggestioned(?? Not sure if a real word) by this whole discussion.
Watched the video, some of the stuff is disgusting(but thats because it is) but the holes phobia does nothing for me. Still , Blizzard should add the option so that the animation is changed(not a super priority but it would be nice)
Sorry guys, I guess thats all I can contribute to this.
Edit: Oh wait, I want to be a smartasss by making fun of people´s fears.
I guess this unit will cause a lot of .....nerdchills
On October 26 2011 08:51 DoubleReed wrote: Wait why does it tell you the symptoms of trypophobia before it shows the video. Does it not understand confirmation bias? That's just stupid.
I don't get the phobia. I watched it and was very confused. Obviously the idea of holes and pustules on skin is very disturbing, but pizza dough and apples? I don't get it.
Yep. That's what happened through the entire thread... -_-
I'm sure that multiple people per page ACTUALLY have this phobia, right? To anyone saying they have this: what about burrowing and unburrowing zerglings, as Destiny said? How does that not trigger it?
It does for me. Group 6+ zerglings and burrow them and then unburrow. The pecks they leave on the ground make me uneasy.
Not Zerglings for me. Roach holes after they unborrow get me. As do burrowed Banelings because they have their dots which are small clustered holes. But this stuff is rather mild, and I can easily get over it. Browder's video of the Swarm Host was quite different and far worse, and I really do not want to have to watch it again.
This thread got to 37 pages how? Shouldn't this be in the blogs section along with the 'personality tests' and other self-diagnosis threads with youtube and urbandictionary links as the sources?
The issue is incredibly easy to fix and causes moderate to severe problems to people. I think thats reason enough to fix it. It's a freaking ALPHA unit, after all. How hard could changing the model be?
Wow, I lasted until that Frog thing with all the holes on its back in the video. At that point my head, back and neck felt all tingly, and I got a terrible itch on the left side of my neck...
I never knew this was an actual phobia. This kind of shit's bugged me all my life, lol.
I didn't complete the video in the OP, but not because I had an itch or was uncomfortable. Because it was boring and slow. I started skipping through each thing just to see what they were showing.
Personally I think the swarm host just looks stupid and the name is even worse. I like what they are trying to do with the role of the unit for Z, but it's just not comparing to the lurker (as it's supposed to fill this role). It needs to look scarier and have a scarier name.
BTW, this thread is probably counter intuitive. Blizzard will see this and be like "WOW THESE PEOPLE ARE FREAKED OUT, WE DID A GOOD JOB. DONT EVER CHANGE THAT UNIT"
On October 27 2011 07:58 SpoR wrote: I didn't complete the video in the OP, but not because I had an itch or was uncomfortable. Because it was boring and slow. I started skipping through each thing just to see what they were showing. "
On October 27 2011 07:40 hejakev wrote: This thread got to 37 pages how? Shouldn't this be in the blogs section along with the 'personality tests' and other self-diagnosis threads with youtube and urbandictionary links as the sources?
make sure you let everyone know that when you find you have a phobia of something they should start taking the piss out of you instantly
On October 27 2011 07:58 PH wrote: Wow, I lasted until that Frog thing with all the holes on its back in the video. At that point my head, back and neck felt all tingly, and I got a terrible itch on the left side of my neck...
I never knew this was an actual phobia. This kind of shit's bugged me all my life, lol.
It's not. It doesn't even fit the definition of an actual phobia. It's just gross images, it would make anyone uncomfortable. It doesn't mean you have a condition. You are normal.
On October 27 2011 07:40 hejakev wrote: This thread got to 37 pages how? Shouldn't this be in the blogs section along with the 'personality tests' and other self-diagnosis threads with youtube and urbandictionary links as the sources?
make sure you let everyone know that when you find you have a phobia of something they should start taking the piss out of you instantly
If I ever find out I have a phobia, I won't be lobbying to have artwork changed in video games that I enjoy playing. I'll be booking an appointment with a therapist who will be able to help me return to a healthy, rational mindset so that my irrational fears don't hold me back from enjoying the things I do.
On October 27 2011 07:40 hejakev wrote: This thread got to 37 pages how? Shouldn't this be in the blogs section along with the 'personality tests' and other self-diagnosis threads with youtube and urbandictionary links as the sources?
make sure you let everyone know that when you find you have a phobia of something they should start taking the piss out of you instantly
If I ever find out I have a phobia, I won't be lobbying to have artwork changed in video games that I enjoy playing. I'll be booking an appointment with a therapist who will be able to help me return to a healthy, rational mindset so that my irrational fears don't hold me back from enjoying the things I do.
Exactly! It's like a fat person suing McDonalds, or a lazy parent complaining about violence in the media.
On October 27 2011 08:19 FlamingTurd wrote: I wanted to stop and scratch myself simply because I was told to pay attention to it not at all because of what I was watching...
this is very true, people don't tend to pay attention to the minor details until they're told to
and also, scratching yourself at the site of something does not constitute a phobia.
do you guys know what the zerg are based off of? (lets ignore the tyranids for the conversation lol) you can go look at hundreds of parasite videos on youtube (or any video of bugs on skin), and i can bet we will all scratch ourselves, but does that mean we should change the artwork for larva? what about nydus worm? what about infestors?
what you're probably suffering from is hypochondria, and no, you won't need to resort to urbandictionary for the definition.
oh lets have fun;
scratch your head and zerg larvae artwork gets changed
This thread is all kinds of stupid. What's worse, it's disgustingly manipulative. It's like that sensationalistic crap you get in a daily newspaper where they take a mundane thing and then blow it out of proportion with strawman arguments and blatant manipulation. OP, shame on you.
IMHO, anyone with a working brain should see there is a significant difference between seeing real-life maggots nesting in a real-life person's skin, and seeing something somewhat similar on a cartoony model in a computer game. Unless someone is actively conditioning you and telling you there *is* no difference, which is what OP is actually trying to accomplish (for some disturbing reason only he probably understands).
I mean, if I see a bug resembling Infestor or Roach crawling on my arm I'd be grossed out. If someone's face sported a huge pulsating boil resembling a building Hatchery I'd puke. An actual pile of blood and guts would disgust me, as opposed to pixelated blood and guts you get by shooting down an Overlord. And yes, I've actually had nightmares after seeing that picture with a close-up of woman's breast infected with spider eggs, even though I knew the picture was fake beforehand. But guess what? I'm ok with Swarm Host artwork, because I have working eyes and working brain and can pretty much see the difference between computer graphics and real-life imagery.
Don't let yourself get conditioned by threads like these, and especially by that manipulative "test" videos. There's a reason why the OP asked you whether you'd prefer different artwork AFTER he made you watch a video and AFTER he asked you what you think about the video. Be smart, don't let yourself get manipulated and played for a fool. Especially since you *can* psyche yourself into a phobia, and that's one thing you do not need in your life.
On October 24 2011 20:15 Morphs wrote: I'm quite amazed at some of the reactions in this topic. So far, the polls point out that over 1 out of 10 players is actually disgusted by the Swarm Host artwork.
Translation: I'm giggling with excitement over some reactions in this topic. So far, the polls point out that I've managed to manipulate and freak out over 1 out of 10 players. Tee hee! Oh and no, I'm not trolling.
i stopped when i´ve seen the guy with the wholes in the fingers.... but thats a real thing and not i game, i dont mind the look of the swarm host, but i feel sorry for everybody who got Trypophobia.
On October 27 2011 07:40 hejakev wrote: This thread got to 37 pages how? Shouldn't this be in the blogs section along with the 'personality tests' and other self-diagnosis threads with youtube and urbandictionary links as the sources?
But it's really not self-diagnosis -- there's an actual physiological reaction going on, and either you experience it or you don't. I mean, I can look at lotus pods without really feeling anything, and that picture of cracks that some guy posted has zero effect on me, but show me a lamprey or especially those goddamn photoshopped lamprey fingers and I feel profoundly unsettled and uncomfortable. I saw the lamprey fingers for the first time on the internet probably a half decade ago and they still absolutely gross me out. There is clearly some sort of instinctual, visceral reaction to patterns like this.
On October 28 2011 18:58 Zalitara wrote: I didn't itch, and I don't fear holes, I did however feel sick because some of those videos were fucking disgusting.
this.
its not like i had to stop watching, but why the hell should i watch that crap? Comparable to a babys birth.
And no, the unit is fine... its zerg after all. The Queen poops creep tumors, Infestors have a huge sack of shit on their back - what do you expect?
Fuck it, you cant cater to every minority. This is ridiculous in the extreme. Yo lets make this game black and white for color blind people or something. Shit.
Edit: README, I'm quite amazed at some of the reactions in this topic. So far, the polls point out that over 1 out of 10 players is actually disgusted by the Swarm Host artwork. I would say that is a pretty high percentage.
Now that is the wrong conclusion, 10% says: "I had to stop watching at some point/had to scratch due to itches (197)"
That is referring to the disgusting video, not the artwork.
If you want answer to how many get itches from the Swarm Host artwork, you have to do a poll for that.
I liked the Swarm Host before this thread and thought it was sort of cute the way it waddled across the field. Now that it is connected to that horrible video, I am not so good.
On October 28 2011 23:10 Plansix wrote: I liked the Swarm Host before this thread and thought it was sort of cute the way it waddled across the field. Now that it is connected to that horrible video, I am not so good.
Thats how I feel, lol. After this thread, you have to change the unit.
On October 28 2011 22:34 TheAntZ wrote: Fuck it, you cant cater to every minority. This is ridiculous in the extreme. Yo lets make this game black and white for color blind people or something. Shit.
Rather than catering for a minority, think of it as helping a bunch of people out. I don't think you'll complain if blizz comes out with a better unit design to replace the current swarm host.
I personally find all the vids/pics in this thread disgusting... the swarm host itself doesn't seem to bother me much though.
That video wasn't disgusting in the slightest...I remember seeing the surinam toad in a book as a kid and thinking about how awesome nature can be.
Haven't Blizzard succeeded really well if they make a creature that actually makes you feel disgusted? Tasteless said as much of the infestor. I love these kinds of races, from Zerg to Tyranids.
I think catering to a small minority for something trivial as this sets an unnecessary and annoying precedent.
EDIT: Just realized that we need different artwork for the overlord now as well...
These videos always get to me. I'm sitting in a computer lab watching this with no sound trying to stifle my laughter. My favorite is the pickle one! HAHAHA.
But seriously guys, this is probably the most ridiculous thread I have ever read. Blizzard made the swarm host with the artwork it has because that's what they decided should go in their game.
On October 28 2011 23:10 Plansix wrote: I liked the Swarm Host before this thread and thought it was sort of cute the way it waddled across the field. Now that it is connected to that horrible video, I am not so good.
Thats how I feel, lol. After this thread, you have to change the unit.
Or close the thread and save the rest of the world from the horror. Seriously, the kid who posted this and made the video is nothing but a troll. We were all fine until he exposed us to this fake phobia, which can be boiled down to "Do you find creepy shit creepy? Watch this video of horrible stuff. Do you feel horrible? Well you have this phobia."
Mhh i think its considerable. The video was rather discusting .. but not because of holes.. well i guess there are phobies for everything.
Now the thing is. There where quite a lot of people who where against this unit. This will harm the game. but on the other Hand.. I think this Unit was not designed to be ... cute or nice to watch and it will be burrowed a lot of times and even if not its not like you can see the creature in close up in game .. so i think as long as the Loggin screen isn´t the artwork it should be ok.
On the other hand i dont have a phobia and dont know how hard this can get ... so if Blizzard still ahs the time there is also no reason to not to (except the will of Blizzard)
I have this phobia, and it does make me itchy seeing the swarm host. My personal preference? Make the skin a lot less recognizable under medium or lower graphics. Give us an option - I don't care so much about having pretty graphics, but I don't want to be uncomfortable if someone masses swarm hosts against me.
Have to admit I go kind of itchy halfway through the video, don't think the unit needs to be changed though. I think it's kind of cool that the ugly Zerg have become so disgusting they reach out to the real world.
I kept skipping over this thread cuz I thought it seemed dumb, and now I regret looking at it. Surprisingly this does make me feel all itchy and disgusted. asdfasdfasfasd
I have an irrational fear of anything that's gross. Is there a term for that?
I didn't even see the video. I couldn't get past the first 2 seconds because the "suggested videos" on the side were so revolting that I had to immediately close the window.
Zergs in general kind of bother me. Larvae freak me out the most, and since you have to click on that shit all game to make anything, I can't ever play Zerg. Mutas, hydras, and ultras are all okay though.
I would like to make VERY CLEAR that an irrational fear of something, or a 'Phobia' is a real thing. It's not about 'disgust'. Everyone would be disgusted by some of the pictures in this video. Trypophobia is a primordial fear of clusters of holes, usually where there aren't supposed to be any in our frame of mind.
For people, including me in some cases, seeing this triggers a very intense uneasiness, unlike a general fear, or disgust.
I really can't take trypophobia seriously. It popped up suddenly in the past few years, and almost everyone who 'has' it was unaware until someone asked them and showed them a video and then asked some loaded questions.
On October 29 2011 02:05 visual77 wrote: I really can't take trypophobia seriously. It popped up suddenly in the past few years, and almost everyone who 'has' it was unaware until someone asked them and showed them a video and then asked some loaded questions.
I've literally had this for years and thought it was the dumbest, most made up thing. And then I saw this thread. I can say with confidence that probably some people genuinely have this fear. It's not about itchiness for me. I get extremely uncomfortable, need to look away, and feel the need to get away quickly as fast as I can. I can't believe that I am unique.
On October 29 2011 02:05 visual77 wrote: I really can't take trypophobia seriously. It popped up suddenly in the past few years, and almost everyone who 'has' it was unaware until someone asked them and showed them a video and then asked some loaded questions.
I've literally had this for years and thought it was the dumbest, most made up thing. And then I saw this thread. I can say with confidence that probably some people genuinely have this fear. It's not about itchiness for me. I get extremely uncomfortable, need to look away, and feel the need to get away quickly as fast as I can. I can't believe that I am unique.
It is not a phobia. A phobia is a irrational fear of something. Irrational means there really should not be a reason to fear the thing you are afraid of. A phobia of the number 13, large bodies of water, large ships or having your photo taken are all examples of phobias.
You can have a phobia of a thing that is dangerous, but the fear itself is not rational. Fear of spiders is a good example. Some spiders are danagerous, but not all.
Trypophobia is not a phobia because it is just a discofort with the deformation of something living. People are afraid of parasites and all the grossness that goes with them, with good reason. The fear is not irrational.
I am not devaluing your fear of the video and its subjects. The video is creepy as hell and I stopped watching after a few minutes. Having a strong reaction to it is not irrational. The concept of having your body invaded or having something living burrowing in your body is horrific.
Creepy frogs and bloat flys are not the number 13. Its ok to think they are creepy.
i don't have any phobia but i think that it need a rewamp anyways. Not only artwork but the way it attacks. The little "zombie walkers" are just silly.
A unit that makes a small percentage of my opponents itch and feel uncomfortable? Thank-you blizzard. Please don't change it!!! On a serious note, Just remember the women on Maury povich who was affraid of mustard, we do not cater to people like her who obviously have a psychological issue.. Awesome design blizz it's everything I want in a Zerg unit in terms of looks.
On October 29 2011 01:01 seraphe wrote: I have an irrational fear of anything that's gross. Is there a term for that?
I didn't even see the video. I couldn't get past the first 2 seconds because the "suggested videos" on the side were so revolting that I had to immediately close the window.
Zergs in general kind of bother me. Larvae freak me out the most, and since you have to click on that shit all game to make anything, I can't ever play Zerg. Mutas, hydras, and ultras are all okay though.
Blizzard should not be catering to people like this for obvious reasons and I'm 99.9% sure they wont.
The reptiles that seemed to have things living in their backs made me raise an eyebrow, but thats mostly curiosity. Now I want to know what the hell was in them! lol.
And the picture of the little girl with things in her skin was just odd...like someone tried WAY too hard to make that creepy so it just seems generic.
Ultimately I was unphased by the video, however I do think the holes in the swarm host make it seem more repulsive and biologically abnormal. I think this is SUPPOSED to happen, generating a WTF? responce the first time or two yo usee it. Working as intended.
I would say that I do not suffer from this phobia. Still, interesting to think about and killed some time at work. Thanks OP.
On October 28 2011 22:34 TheAntZ wrote: Fuck it, you cant cater to every minority. This is ridiculous in the extreme. Yo lets make this game black and white for color blind people or something. Shit.
Rather than catering for a minority, think of it as helping a bunch of people out. I don't think you'll complain if blizz comes out with a better unit design to replace the current swarm host.
I personally find all the vids/pics in this thread disgusting... the swarm host itself doesn't seem to bother me much though.
Why not help out alll the people who are grossed out and feel uncomfortable because of bugs? I guess the entire zerg race is going to have to change, to accomadate their fear.
As soon as the frogs or whatever started to pop out of hte fishthingy, i was starting to get itchy. But i don't think that that shows i have a certain phobia. It is the same with lice, really think about lice. How they are crawling on you head.
A lot of people will get itchy after reading that, does not mean they have a phobia.
On October 26 2011 18:30 Ajsbear wrote: I have always had a mild case of this but never until just a few days ago realized it had a name. I have no issues at all with stuff like honey combs or similar but when it comes to stuff like this on human skin it completely freaks me out. I have no real problems with lotus seed pods and that frog is gross in another way and I don't really have a problem with the Swarm Host but I can totally understand people that do as it is borderline for me.
People that mock this needs to shut up, it's real. And like all/most phobias, it's not really rational or can be explained. You can't compare it to fear of the dark or anything like that. Fear of the dark very rarely triggers from watching a dark space, you have to be in the dark yourself etc.
A small change to the art work would be nice I think.
On October 27 2011 07:40 hejakev wrote: This thread got to 37 pages how? Shouldn't this be in the blogs section along with the 'personality tests' and other self-diagnosis threads with youtube and urbandictionary links as the sources?
But it's really not self-diagnosis -- there's an actual physiological reaction going on, and either you experience it or you don't. I mean, I can look at lotus pods without really feeling anything, and that picture of cracks that some guy posted has zero effect on me, but show me a lamprey or especially those goddamn photoshopped lamprey fingers and I feel profoundly unsettled and uncomfortable. I saw the lamprey fingers for the first time on the internet probably a half decade ago and they still absolutely gross me out. There is clearly some sort of instinctual, visceral reaction to patterns like this.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG. The effect of trypophobia (thanks urban dictionary!) is down to subconscious (or primordial as a previous poster put it) level, and it is present in all humans. Humans are naturally disgusted by flesh that is disfigured/damaged, to varying degrees, from slight unease to outright disgust/fear (which is why discomfort can be caused by lotus seeds in their natural form, ie unphotoshopped onto people - it looks like it should be smooth flesh, but the holes induce this unease), if you are not there is something wrong with you. The above poster is correct in recognising an instinctual reaction, but is wrong to think it is a psychological phobia.
Personally, the pictures affect me not one whit (although they still made me feel itchy, what a coincidence, huh?), and I will tell you why. This entire thing was made up to troll people on 4chan many years ago. Their reactions then were the same as many people's in this thread, minus the 'itchy' part, which someone cleverly added on (you are getting itchy because you are getting told to feel itchy, not because of what you are watching). What is interesting is that no one said anything about this being a phobia then, it was just an interesting way to make people feel utterly freaked out until someone explained that the shit was photoshopped.
The only cure for this 'phobia' is to grab a bag of cement, and harden the fuck up.
I like the way the swarm host looks. Now I obviously cant relate to the the people who have trypophobia, since I dont suffer from it myself.. But if Blizzard took into account every phobia that existed and designed units based on that.. well then Zerg would be a visually boring race.
On October 29 2011 15:03 Ironsights wrote: The reptiles that seemed to have things living in their backs made me raise an eyebrow, but thats mostly curiosity. Now I want to know what the hell was in them! lol.
Quoting myself here, but curiosity won out and I thought I would share.
The creature spawning things from its back is totally natural and quite real. It is an amphibian known as a Surinam Toad, and that's its normal reproductive cycle. There are a few Surinam species, but that family of amphibians is the only one that reproduces like that (at least that I could find in a brief google session).
This serves two purposes:
1- the baby frogs go through the tadpole stage safely in their mother's back, protecting them from predators.
On October 29 2011 17:09 sandg wrote: Their reactions then were the same as many people's in this thread, minus the 'itchy' part, which someone cleverly added on (you are getting itchy because you are getting told to feel itchy, not because of what you are watching).
No, that's wrong. I must have missed when some humans gained the power to feel and know what other humans experience. Other people in this thread have said it, and I'm one of them too: we have felt these itches long before this thread or before anyone told us what this phobia is. I saw that picture of the teathed-hole-in-finger years ago and it made me literally claw at my own finger and scratch it. It still does if I think about it too intently. As soon as I saw Browders video on the Swarm Host I got itchy hands (before this thread was made). I'm getting itchy because that's what these images do, not because of what someone told. You have no ability to perceive others' lives, quit acting like you do.
.... you tell people they might get itchy by watching this video and a few people inevitably will. add on some lines of pseudo science to make it sound real and voila: you have a phobia.
Aberrations from the campaign have a bunch of little squirming boils on their back that burst open when you kill them...why didn't people complain about this before?
BTW this whole thread is BS and a waste of time.
I get a horribly itchy feeling when I think of think of walking on asphalt with beach sand on my feet. i also am slightly disgusted by things bursting out of the backs of other things. Holes do not bother me. The swarm host looks fine, and itchiness is not a good enough reason to change anything besides skin lotions.
There seems to be very little (read zero) reliable scientific literature on this, it looks more like something that makes a lot of people uncomfortable than a diagnosable phobia, which probably has more to do with humans often getting grossed out by the same things than people having actual medical disorders.
NesTea likes this units so no further changes shall be made!
Anyways, I don't think the units needs to be changed. It looks gross and it sends shiver down my spine (not as bad as THAT video, though), but if you don't concentrate on it, it should be fine. But only time will tell.
yeah those aberrations were really ewwwww ... but they weren't shown as a new unit, so no one cared. Which made the effect of seeing them first really cool. Anyway the swarm hosts ewww factor is nothing compared to a few other games, that weren't horror at all. For me the Ufo series (not xcom series the one that copyed em) had alot of really ewww monsters. And while playing multiplayer you will be to concentrated to even notice any effects, unless you will talk yourself into it.
On October 29 2011 17:09 sandg wrote: Their reactions then were the same as many people's in this thread, minus the 'itchy' part, which someone cleverly added on (you are getting itchy because you are getting told to feel itchy, not because of what you are watching).
No, that's wrong. I must have missed when some humans gained the power to feel and know what other humans experience. Other people in this thread have said it, and I'm one of them too: we have felt these itches long before this thread or before anyone told us what this phobia is. I saw that picture of the teathed-hole-in-finger years ago and it made me literally claw at my own finger and scratch it. It still does if I think about it too intently. As soon as I saw Browders video on the Swarm Host I got itchy hands (before this thread was made). I'm getting itchy because that's what these images do, not because of what someone told. You have no ability to perceive others' lives, quit acting like you do.
Whoa dude you may feel this way legitimately but there are going to be some people that feel slightly itchy or uncomfortable simply because the thread primed them to be, although probably never to the same extent you mentioned, its kind of like how saying "don't think of a black cat" will make people think of a black cat, the mind is very easily manipulated in these subtle ways.
Arachnophobia is one of the most widespread "phobias" around and nobody even raised the issue with Dragoons in Starcraft which look awful alot like spiders (Tarantulas to be more exact). There are gigantic spiders in pretty much every game, Resident Evil to World of Warcraft, and this issue was never raised, infact it made the game more fun for people who do suffer from it, as it was a safe way to confront their fears and phobias.
I do believe that some of you get itchy because of this and that you arent trolling or making shit up, but you also need to know that there are phobias for pretty much everything and people didnt complain about it before. Thus the question begs: why should your fears/phobias be something that we should try to hide when other phobias and other people do not get the same treatment? Not to mention that this is a damn videogame
That is the entire point of interactive entertainment and movies, to confront your fears, you do things in videogames you could never dream to do in real life. To accomodate everyone we would eventually all only have Pong, and i bet there is a phobia for balls/squares bouncing around, so we probably cant even have that.
And like i said before, if many of you experienced this on 4chan, then you know aswell as most people here that there are far far FAR worst things posted on that site than holes on bugs/people.
So, mass swarm lords and there's a 10% chance you'll win outright as your opponent can't even watch the screen as they're itching all over. Neat.
All in all I don't really see the issue here, there's tons of gross animations and art throughout games in general and you can't sit around thinking everything will be accpected by everyone.
For example, whenever blizzard release new art for armor in WoW, half the replies are shitting on 'em, granted that's not exactly the same, I don't think you should be suprised that people dislike how a certain unit looks, it's just how people are.
I wonder why the moderator haven't closed this thread already, or at least moved it to blogs.
I thought this forum was to talk about starcraft 2 and not some weird phobia.
Oh, and just go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phobias , and you will see that with all the weird phobia existing, you basically have to take everything out of the game if you follow the reasoning of the OP.
This is so absurd, I can't even believe it.
PS: The phobia the OP is mentioning is so rare and not worth mentionning, it's not even in the wikipedia list of phobia.
On October 30 2011 04:43 Tyree wrote: Arachnophobia is one of the most widespread "phobias" around and nobody even raised the issue with Dragoons in Starcraft which look awful alot like spiders (Tarantulas to be more exact). There are gigantic spiders in pretty much every game, Resident Evil to World of Warcraft, and this issue was never raised, infact it made the game more fun for people who do suffer from it, as it was a safe way to confront their fears and phobias.
You are wrong on this. You're irrationally scared of something - something makes you itch/it's impossible to even look at it. You don't understand it it just feels like that. It's not fun, and certainly doesn't feels like a safe way to confront your fears since there's never really any danger. I have to deal with a huge load of irrational fears in my life and I know myself that selldome in my fears/phobias I could be remotely in danger. (unless you decide to swim in spiders to fix your phobia or w/e)
The problem with things like this is that most people simply don't feel it and thus won't understand or associate the right feeling with it. I know this from therapy I've had over pretty much all of my life.
I don't think they should base their design choices of phobias since like said in this thread there are a huge load of fears out there and it's impossible to please everyone. At the same time I woulnd mind if they allowed you to filter certain things like the reduce blood option. But it's a design choice I guess chances are people with this specific phobia are out of luck.
On October 30 2011 03:21 obsKura wrote: Am I a bad person because I started laughing while reading the topic? I think this is kind of weird.
No. I thought it was a joke the first time I read through it... then I started reading more posts made by the author of the thread. Blizzard is not going to change the design of a unit because 1% of the population doesn't like how it looks.
oke dude what ever reason u have for this, I got curious and did ur test but since at the start it forces me into a certain position, with a lot of MUSTS in the description. Followed by the remark to count and pauze the video when u "aid an itch" i already was itching on 3 places and struggling not to scratch them before the first picture of a creepy crawler oh sorry HOLE came up
Can u read/see/hear/think about head lice for example for 4 minutes without getting itchy, uncomfortable etc?
Now i like to get abck to my first remark, please tell me personal interest is not because you are a Psychology student. one Diederik Stapel is enough.......
The Zerg are all creepy disgusting infested animals. So this one freaks some people out? I'm still a little bit phobic of how extractors looked when they were building back when I was little. That $#!t was creepy, but I still played zerg! I still got my gas, and the game was fine for me. If we're banning holes in stuff, does that mean no one's allowed to ever launch a nuke ever again?
I don't have that phobiathingy and could easily watch through the video, but I still agree that the artwork should be changed as I can definitely understand people having a phobia for that
Also 99% of the people here seem to miss the point
...the whole fucking race is inspired by The Alien and H.R.Giger's artwork. It is supposed to be as scary and grose as possible. Look at the damn hydralisk. The 20 most common phobias include fears of insects, snakes and creepy things..
That video was absolutely horrid with some massive zoom on stuff crawling out of holes, or some body parts with massive holes in them. I was perfectly fine with plants and animals having lots of holes.
The holes weren't horrifying, it was the concept of holes appearing on unimaginable places (fingers, limbs, WTF?) that made it so freaky.
That video was a terrible test if the phobia was solely on the reaction of a cluster of holes. I could look at the gameplay video of swarm hosts all day and nothing is happening to me.
On October 24 2011 20:22 iGrok wrote: I'd prefer Lurker artwork. and maybe instead of the things that it sends out, it can shoot like, spines or something. And since Zerg doesn't have a lot of AOE, maybe these "spines" could do AEO damage of some sort.
In all seriousness though, yeah its kind of disturbing when I think about it, but if I don't its ok.
On October 24 2011 20:22 iGrok wrote: I'd prefer Lurker artwork. and maybe instead of the things that it sends out, it can shoot like, spines or something. And since Zerg doesn't have a lot of AOE, maybe these "spines" could do AEO damage of some sort.
In all seriousness though, yeah its kind of disturbing when I think about it, but if I don't its ok.
That youtube video is such a dumb example. There's something different to being scared of a bunch of lotus pods or chocolate bars with holes filled with air and thinking a frog of some sort with it's babies inside its back or flesh eating parasites are disgusting.
Still, really?
How about arachnophobia and lurkers or anything alike. Challenge yourself and try to overcome your fear or challenge yourself by not making the unit and still winning. It's an easy choice really.
On October 29 2011 17:09 sandg wrote:Wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG. The effect of trypophobia (thanks urban dictionary!) is down to subconscious (or primordial as a previous poster put it) level, and it is present in all humans. Humans are naturally disgusted by flesh that is disfigured/damaged, to varying degrees, from slight unease to outright disgust/fear (which is why discomfort can be caused by lotus seeds in their natural form, ie unphotoshopped onto people - it looks like it should be smooth flesh, but the holes induce this unease), if you are not there is something wrong with you. The above poster is correct in recognising an instinctual reaction, but is wrong to think it is a psychological phobia.
Personally, the pictures affect me not one whit (although they still made me feel itchy, what a coincidence, huh?), and I will tell you why. This entire thing was made up to troll people on 4chan many years ago. Their reactions then were the same as many people's in this thread, minus the 'itchy' part, which someone cleverly added on (you are getting itchy because you are getting told to feel itchy, not because of what you are watching). What is interesting is that no one said anything about this being a phobia then, it was just an interesting way to make people feel utterly freaked out until someone explained that the shit was photoshopped.
The only cure for this 'phobia' is to grab a bag of cement, and harden the fuck up.
It's pretty fucking stupid that you think that your experiences generalize onto the rest of the human race. I mean, this really is not a big deal to me. I will never see lamprey fingers in real life so I'm pretty safe on that front! On the other hand, I have basically same physiological reaction to looking at the lamprey fingers now as I first did however many years ago, long before anyone had ever coined the phrase 'trypophobia' (in fact I heard it for the first time in reading this thread); I literally feel my skin tingle.
On October 30 2011 04:29 TangJuice wrote:Whoa dude you may feel this way legitimately but there are going to be some people that feel slightly itchy or uncomfortable simply because the thread primed them to be, although probably never to the same extent you mentioned, its kind of like how saying "don't think of a black cat" will make people think of a black cat, the mind is very easily manipulated in these subtle ways.
And this is wrong, because I know that I have felt this sensation long before ever hearing of 'trypophobia'.
On October 30 2011 04:43 Tyree wrote:And like i said before, if many of you experienced this on 4chan, then you know aswell as most people here that there are far far FAR worst things posted on that site than holes on bugs/people.
I think the point is that it's not rational, and there's not really a hierarchy of 'worseness' in the manner that you suggest. I have seen many objectively horrible, gruesome, and disgusting things on the internet over the last 15 years or so, some of which I'm sure other people would find deeply unsettling. I can say without hesitation that I found the lamprey fingers more unsettling than any of them, even with full knowledge that it is a fake picture. I mean, many people in this thread (for example) have probably seen that gruesome set of pictures of a teenage girl driving a Porsche way too fast, getting in an accident, and literally having most of her head come off as a result. I think that those images are sad, and I think that they are gruesome, but I have no physiological reaction to them. Conversely I have shown the lamprey fingers to other people and they have claimed to have no reaction to them. I'm sure most people fall into this category. It's a stupid photoshop -- why should anyone react strongly to it at all, right?
Look, overall I feel kind of weird responding in this level of detail, especially given how typically obnoxious people on the internet who self-diagnose themselves with conditions such as Aspergers or Fibromyalgia are. I have no idea whether this is even a well-defined psychological condition, and I'm certainly not looking to define or re-define myself (as e.g. self-diagnosed Aspergers sufferers often do) through having this 'condition'. It certainly doesn't affect my day-to-day life in any remotely meaningful way. And I don't particularly care whether Blizzard changes the Swarm Host or not. I just feel that all of the posts claiming that people who claim to experience similar symptoms to the one mentioned in the OP are either lying, easily influenced, or squeamish, are ignorant.
heh Trypophobia was invented by a sociology student two years ago. the "trypophobia tests" all tell you what symptoms you should exhibit before the test begins (guaranteeing alot of people will exhibit them) and no psychologists recognise it as a disease or phobia.
please stop. :/ no need to change anything based on a sociology experiment.
Shouldn't the OP try to make a zoomed in GIF on the swarm hosts in action and make a poll on the reactions viewers experience off that instead? I really felt that the video was pretty unreliable because it went pretty off tangent on the phobia.
I'm sure every aspect of the zerg race can be fitted into someone's phobia - swarms of insects, spreading goo, dropping goo out of one's ass, vomiting larvae and so on. Do we really need an overhaul of the race to make it more phobia friendly?
On October 30 2011 05:15 dgwow wrote: If the unit disgusts you that's a pretty good sign zerg is going in the right direction, no offence
yea i completely agree the zerg are supposed to be like this
But they aren't. Maybe everyone posting stuff like this just really disagree with Blizzard's unit designs for zerg so far, or I'm completely missing it, but I can't pinpoint a single zerg unit that's remotely disgusting at the moment. I think most of them are pretty cuddly. Swarm Host isn't cuddly. The Viper is, so HotS isn't all bad. I don't have any phobias, though.
this is completely stupid. so because i think that a huge pus-filled hole in somebodies back full of flies and maggots is gross, you call me ill and suspect me of having some phobia?
sorry, but the answer is no! im against a design change, even though i found your videos and pictures unaesthetic and therefore didnt watch them to the end.
edit: i usually feel creepy when i watch videos of people with cut off bodyparts. i start to not feel my legs anymore when somebody is cutting of his own leg. guess i have saw-o-phobia?
This shitty self induced "phobia" is still going on? C'mon guys, it doesn't even have a page on wikipedia. Even the fear of being watched by ducks is there lol.
I'm sure there are way more people afraid of bugs yet the zerg doesn't seem to creep(huehue) anyone out. Shit, I'm terrified of most insects and I play zerg!
I can barely watch that. Ever since I was seven, I guess you can say I've had Trypophobia. It all started with a pop tart that was in the toaster too long, so the goo pushed out through the holes and through the frosting. I threw them in the garbage.
But I'm kind of weird, and nothing in a game, or anything, should be changed because of irrational fears. So, no, this thread need not exist, but thanks for reminding me about my fears.
Like those frogs who carry eggs on their back and skin grows over it, and tadpoles burst from their flesh.
Like when you row a boat and you can see deep little spirals in the water.
Like a topical allergic reaction where the blisters burst or dry out and leave holes.
On October 31 2011 05:25 MountainDewJunkie wrote: I can barely watch that. Ever since I was seven, I guess you can say I've had Trypophobia. It all started with a pop tart that was in the toaster too long, so the goo pushed out through the holes and through the frosting. I threw them in the garbage.
LOL. Don't know if you are serious or just trolling but it made me laugh. "I threw them in the garbage' LOL
You've gotta be kidding me. This cannot be for real. What's the point of bringing this up? You really think Blizzard will care as much as to change the artwork?
I'm actually disgusted with this thread. About 25% of people in the poll have some sort of problem with the artwork, and it is a documented and apparently common phobia.
You all disregard this as silly, but if I made a poll about adding options to help color blind people differentiate units better, I'm sure there would be overwhelming support for the idea.
Its just the art design of a small section of a unit that might not even make it into the game, and yet you all are so zealous about keeping it, even though it makes 25% of the people who have voted in this thread uncomfortable? What the hell?
I'm not even going to get into the fact that Starcraft 2 is supposed to be a spectator's game/sport!
On October 31 2011 09:37 AMW1011 wrote: I'm actually disgusted with this thread. About 25% of people in the poll have some sort of problem with the artwork, and it is a documented and apparently common phobia.
You all disregard this as silly, but if I made a poll about adding options to help color blind people differentiate units better, I'm sure there would be overwhelming support for the idea.
Its just the art design of a small section of a unit that might not even make it into the game, and yet you all are so zealous about keeping it, even though it makes 25% of the people who have voted in this thread uncomfortable? What the hell?
An option to change it would probably satisfy everyone. Actually getting rid of an artwork that many people think is fucking cool (myself included) is not so cool. For a ridiculous example, imagine if players weren't allowed to pick certain colours because the colourblind would struggle (red/orange or blue/purple for example).
So as long as the fix doesn't hurt the majority it'd be wonderful; I'm sorry to hear that such a phobia exists.
On October 31 2011 09:37 AMW1011 wrote: I'm actually disgusted with this thread. About 25% of people in the poll have some sort of problem with the artwork, and it is a documented and apparently common phobia.
You all disregard this as silly, but if I made a poll about adding options to help color blind people differentiate units better, I'm sure there would be overwhelming support for the idea.
Its just the art design of a small section of a unit that might not even make it into the game, and yet you all are so zealous about keeping it, even though it makes 25% of the people who have voted in this thread uncomfortable? What the hell?
An option to change it would probably satisfy everyone. Actually getting rid of an artwork that many people think is fucking cool (myself included) is not so cool. For a ridiculous example, imagine if players weren't allowed to pick certain colours because the colourblind would struggle (red/orange or blue/purple for example).
So as long as the fix doesn't hurt the majority it'd be wonderful; I'm sorry to hear that such a phobia exists.
And if your extreme example was true? Its a small price to pay, jeez.
This thread is going to cause people to feel itchy when they watch the video, 'cause they'll be hyper-aware of it and trigger the sensation as a result.
Edit: lol, this isn't even recognised by DSM? well then come the fuck on.
Also, Swarm Host's biggest problem seems to be its ridiculous ineffectiveness =/ Just saw like 6 of them kill SCVs slower than 12 lings =/
A poll like this on its own does not show much more than simply 79% does not feel disgusted with the holes on the unit’s back while 21% does, and 65% would not prefer a different artwork where 35% would.
A poll itself will not tell anything about the reasons about why the players have the opinions on the issue. There are numerous reasons for people having the opinion they have. People can feel disgusted of something, while that disgust actually translates into a positive view on the unit design. Personally, I think Zerg units are supposed to look a bit creepy and disgusting; they are the Zerg after all. Maybe a person resembles the Swarm host with a spider (arachnophobia) and thus finds it disgusting. Trying to connect this issue with Trypophobia won’t explain or solve anything. I’m pretty sure that 475 people that have answered they find the unit disgusting does not suffer from Trypophobia.
The same goes to why people might prefer a different artwork. There are numerous of reasons on that as well. Maybe, someone find the unit design simply too weak compared to what one would expect out of Blizzard.
I find that you’re defensive approach on this issue does not help your cause. I find your edits in the OP a bit over the edge, as well as, just show your hard effort to link this to Trypophobia. If people disagree with you, that’s just how it is. You cannot expect the whole world to agree with you.
TLDR: You’re methodology does not show much other than some simple numbers. Without context and further research, you cannot conclude that 1 out 10 suffer from Trypophobia and the unit design should be changed.
On October 31 2011 10:11 Subversion wrote: This thread is going to cause people to feel itchy when they watch the video, 'cause they'll be hyper-aware of it and trigger the sensation as a result.
Edit: lol, this isn't even recognised by DSM? well then come the fuck on.
Also, Swarm Host's biggest problem seems to be its ridiculous ineffectiveness =/ Just saw like 6 of them kill SCVs slower than 12 lings =/
Their dps is ridiculous, set 5 on a planetary and they're more effective than siege tanks; it's just their movement speed is awkward. Their spawns are much more like zealots than zerglings, but with worse burst (so they don't snipe workers super effectively). Set them loose on a pack of marines and they'll tear through (this is all from playing the HoTS custom which uses the same numbers that were at blizzcon).
I watched the first part of the video and im like psh doesnt bother me
But then i looked again later andw atched the whole thing
I think the one that really started to mess with me was the one with the fingers cut open
That really really bothered me, it was just so disturbing in the way that it was UGLY. It didn't help when someone posted that he wants to cut the holes off. That just made me get this "phobia" i think. I'm not afraid of it though, it's just that it's... ugly/disturbing to look at now. I have a huge urge to cut those nasty finger tips even farther hoping that i dont have to see those holes/sacs.
Then it got worse when I saw the girl with the arms. Actually i saw the girl before the fingers do i didn't much a problem. But then when i looked at the fingers and then at the girl... the girl bothered me too. Not just the holes but those weird balls/sacs in the holes in the girl's skin. That's just really ugly to me and makes me want to cut them off... ugh
Also a question about the fish/frogs. Wtf is happening? The fish seems to move, but there's holes in the fish. Is it dead or alive or what did the frogs cut the holes open? so strange....
On October 31 2011 09:37 AMW1011 wrote: I'm actually disgusted with this thread. About 25% of people in the poll have some sort of problem with the artwork, and it is a documented and apparently common phobia.
You all disregard this as silly, but if I made a poll about adding options to help color blind people differentiate units better, I'm sure there would be overwhelming support for the idea.
Its just the art design of a small section of a unit that might not even make it into the game, and yet you all are so zealous about keeping it, even though it makes 25% of the people who have voted in this thread uncomfortable? What the hell?
An option to change it would probably satisfy everyone. Actually getting rid of an artwork that many people think is fucking cool (myself included) is not so cool. For a ridiculous example, imagine if players weren't allowed to pick certain colours because the colourblind would struggle (red/orange or blue/purple for example).
So as long as the fix doesn't hurt the majority it'd be wonderful; I'm sorry to hear that such a phobia exists.
And if your extreme example was true? Its a small price to pay, jeez.
It would be pretty bullshit to remove purple/orange from the game rather than just add an option similar to the team colours where one is green, other is red (only whatever suits the colourblind best).
On October 31 2011 11:13 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Also a question about the fish/frogs. Wtf is happening? The fish seems to move, but there's holes in the fish. Is it dead or alive or what did the frogs cut the holes open? so strange....
On October 31 2011 11:13 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: u know what previously i had no problem
I watched the first part of the video and im like psh doesnt bother me
But then i looked again later andw atched the whole thing
I think the one that really started to mess with me was the one with the fingers cut open
That really really bothered me, it was just so disturbing in the way that it was UGLY. It didn't help when someone posted that he wants to cut the holes off. That just made me get this "phobia" i think. I'm not afraid of it though, it's just that it's... ugly/disturbing to look at now. I have a huge urge to cut those nasty finger tips even farther hoping that i dont have to see those holes/sacs.
Then it got worse when I saw the girl with the arms. Actually i saw the girl before the fingers do i didn't much a problem. But then when i looked at the fingers and then at the girl... the girl bothered me too. Not just the holes but those weird balls/sacs in the holes in the girl's skin. That's just really ugly to me and makes me want to cut them off... ugh
Also a question about the fish/frogs. Wtf is happening? The fish seems to move, but there's holes in the fish. Is it dead or alive or what did the frogs cut the holes open? so strange....
Yeah, something like this. People aren't necessarily disgusted by the appearance of holes. They're disgusted by the flesh eating parasites or whatever they are on actual human flesh, and those can easily make anyone UNCOMFORTABLE, while they might have no issue looking at swarm hosts producing locusts nonstop.
On October 31 2011 09:37 AMW1011 wrote: I'm actually disgusted with this thread. About 25% of people in the poll have some sort of problem with the artwork, and it is a documented and apparently common phobia.
You all disregard this as silly, but if I made a poll about adding options to help color blind people differentiate units better, I'm sure there would be overwhelming support for the idea.
Its just the art design of a small section of a unit that might not even make it into the game, and yet you all are so zealous about keeping it, even though it makes 25% of the people who have voted in this thread uncomfortable? What the hell?
I'm not even going to get into the fact that Starcraft 2 is supposed to be a spectator's game/sport!
It's not documented, not common, and not even a phobia, as understood by clinical psychiatry. It's just a bunch of people getting disgusted by a video about frogs.
But yeah, keep up your ridiculous outrage, who cares about facts and actual science, when it gets in the way of your white knighting on the Internet!
On October 31 2011 11:13 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: u know what previously i had no problem
I watched the first part of the video and im like psh doesnt bother me
But then i looked again later andw atched the whole thing
I think the one that really started to mess with me was the one with the fingers cut open
That really really bothered me, it was just so disturbing in the way that it was UGLY. It didn't help when someone posted that he wants to cut the holes off. That just made me get this "phobia" i think. I'm not afraid of it though, it's just that it's... ugly/disturbing to look at now. I have a huge urge to cut those nasty finger tips even farther hoping that i dont have to see those holes/sacs.
Then it got worse when I saw the girl with the arms. Actually i saw the girl before the fingers do i didn't much a problem. But then when i looked at the fingers and then at the girl... the girl bothered me too. Not just the holes but those weird balls/sacs in the holes in the girl's skin. That's just really ugly to me and makes me want to cut them off... ugh
Also a question about the fish/frogs. Wtf is happening? The fish seems to move, but there's holes in the fish. Is it dead or alive or what did the frogs cut the holes open? so strange....
Yeah, something like this. People aren't necessarily disgusted by the appearance of holes. They're disgusted by the flesh eating parasites or whatever they are on actual human flesh, and those can easily make anyone UNCOMFORTABLE, while they might have no issue looking at swarm hosts producing locusts nonstop.
ahh
I see it's a kind of frog lol, it's normal.
Ugh I wonder is the picture with the fingers real? why the heck is it like that? xD
On October 31 2011 09:37 AMW1011 wrote: I'm actually disgusted with this thread. About 25% of people in the poll have some sort of problem with the artwork, and it is a documented and apparently common phobia.
You all disregard this as silly, but if I made a poll about adding options to help color blind people differentiate units better, I'm sure there would be overwhelming support for the idea.
Its just the art design of a small section of a unit that might not even make it into the game, and yet you all are so zealous about keeping it, even though it makes 25% of the people who have voted in this thread uncomfortable? What the hell?
I'm not even going to get into the fact that Starcraft 2 is supposed to be a spectator's game/sport!
It's not documented, not common, and not even a phobia, as understood by clinical psychiatry. It's just a bunch of people getting disgusted by a video about frogs.
But yeah, keep up your ridiculous outrage, who cares about facts and actual science, when it gets in the way of your white knighting on the Internet!
Yea. Even in the video they link, they say that the term of the phobia was invented by urban dictionary. Which is hardly a credible scientific source.
So...in short, there are some people who think that these things look gross, and convince themselves that they feel itchy because of it
The entire support for your thread, the video, is a load of rubbish. It advertises itself as a "psychological test" although his only source just happens to be urbandictionary.com
In fact a real psychologist had this to say about it:
"Trypophobia is not an official phobia recognized in scientific literature. For many (though perhaps not all) who have it, it’s probably not even a real phobia, which the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders says must interfere “significantly with the person’s normal routine.” Having just looked at a bunch of holey pictures and videos, I’m severely grossed out, but I can still write this story."
I'm not going to sit here and say that you made all this up and I'm sure that the image may make some people uncomfortable. However, if you want to make a real case for your argument, give us something better than a youtube video made by some bored college student.
IMO the Swarm Host's artwork is freaking awesome. The shell is the least cool looking part of it to me, but the design of the head and body structure is awesome. By far the coolest looking main body design that I've seen for a zerg so far, yes, the shell does look like it needs to be downsized a bit.
Anyone here zoomed in on a hydra ingame? I've got to say, compared to cinematic versions they look like fucking retards. The Swarm Host is the one unit the zerg has that actually manages to be zergy and look cool IMO.
i hate all the smart ass responses to this thread. its not an artwork thing its an actual mental thing that affects people like myself. TBH if blizz keeps the artwork i really dont know how i can play and look at that thing all the time, it bugs the shit out of me.I really hope they change this and i really hope people stop trolling and making fun of this.
you're a very small, very insignificant (sorry) portion of the gaming (or society as a whole) community. Companies cannot make changes for every niche problem people have, you know many people may have a phobia of roaches? Intense fear of aliens? Or are terrified if they hear gunfire? I'm sure you can find plenty of issues with much high % of people that are affected that are currently in many popular games, why you think blizzard should change their unit design because of this extremely small niche group is really quite delusional.
To be honest, the video / gameplay at blizzcon didn't affect me/i didn't notice it.... but when JP showed the images of the holes in the fingers... ewww, that's just fucking gross man.....
I can see how this would be a problem, and since HoTS is so far away, I don't see why not
On October 24 2011 20:22 iGrok wrote: I'd prefer Lurker artwork. and maybe instead of the things that it sends out, it can shoot like, spines or something. And since Zerg doesn't have a lot of AOE, maybe these "spines" could do AEO damage of some sort.
While I know the OP said not to respond with other phobias, I can't help but do so.
I suffer from thanatophobia (fear of death/dying) yet I play Starcraft pretty extensively. Have you ever counted the number of deaths in a game of SC2? Every unit makes a specific noise when it dies, telling you that it is dying... However, that doesn't stop me from playing. Yeah, it creeps me out when I stop to think about it (like when I'm writing this post) but I don't think that it's a bigger deal than that.
Really don't think changing the unit is necessary.
I also think the game is far to insensitive to our veterans. Do we really think its appropriate to show marines being ripped to shreds by alien monsters?
And for that matter, why must we call the zealot a zealot? This reinforces negative stereotypes about the religious....
Lol the test is the biggest joke of a test ever... When you do a psychological test you DON'T tell people what the test is about and what their reactions should be, the test is immediately flawed from that point on.
Also the stuff it showed in there doesn't prove this 'phobia', a phobia is defined as 'An extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something'; there is nothing irrational about being at least mildly disgusted seeing weird indentations in human skin with maggots crawling through them, but this is not the same as being repulsed by a few pods on a computer generated skin.
Although I did have a chuckle when I saw urban dictionary quoted as a credible source...
I feel uncomfortable with viewing lots of circles, but I don't think the swarm host is that bad from the gameplay footage. You can only see like 5 holes which isn't that much. I think the art could be improved, but I'm okay with it at the moment.
LOL-worthy thread. And that video... what's the big deal? Do you sue movie theaters that show horror movies cuz they disgust you? Everything's a disease and everybody's a victim in today's society, sigh.
I still stand by what I posted earlier - I dont think this is significant enough for Blizzard to change the design, from the videos I have seen, the holes are not that visible
However, going through the funny pictures thread (Daily ritual), I stumpled on this image and I got a really weird disgusting feeling..
Is this related to the holes maybe? Or am I completely alone on this one?
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