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BaconofWar
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States369 Posts
June 12 2012 02:58 GMT
#801
Toooootally agree with this. Even if it is just for cheese, you can't have epic pro cannon rushing like that one guy who cannon rushed to masters without it. It's also just generally useful for strats that need reinforcments early.
Well, C9 is the best right now
soon.Cloak
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States983 Posts
June 12 2012 03:06 GMT
#802
Stop posting about the issue if we don't know if it's in there- that's why this got necroed in the first place.
So again, does anyone have any idea if this was at MLG?
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
June 12 2012 03:06 GMT
#803
Bears repeating that this is a year old thread, we still don't know if this change is going through and it may have been to accommodate the "warp a free canon in anywhere" nexus ability that was in the previous build as they haven't patched it into WoL. I'm interested to see if it's still in the game as well because it's an interesting change, I worry that it will hit canon rushes too hard though.
NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
June 12 2012 03:08 GMT
#804
On June 12 2012 12:06 Dingobloo wrote:
Bears repeating that this is a year old thread, we still don't know if this change is going through and it may have been to accommodate the "warp a free canon in anywhere" nexus ability that was in the previous build as they haven't patched it into WoL. I'm interested to see if it's still in the game as well because it's an interesting change, I worry that it will hit canon rushes too hard though.


I don't think you can actually get that ability out in time. From what I remember from the Battle Report, you need to have either a gateway or a cybernetics core to get one... and even then you have to save energy to get the cannon ability. Cannon rushes will hit way before then.
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
June 12 2012 03:10 GMT
#805
On June 12 2012 12:08 NguN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 12:06 Dingobloo wrote:
Bears repeating that this is a year old thread, we still don't know if this change is going through and it may have been to accommodate the "warp a free canon in anywhere" nexus ability that was in the previous build as they haven't patched it into WoL. I'm interested to see if it's still in the game as well because it's an interesting change, I worry that it will hit canon rushes too hard though.


I don't think you can actually get that ability out in time. From what I remember from the Battle Report, you need to have either a gateway or a cybernetics core to get one... and even then you have to save energy to get the cannon ability. Cannon rushes will hit way before then.


it's no longer in the current build, it's been replaced by the mothership core's purify which is limited to the nexus.
redDuke
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia207 Posts
June 12 2012 03:10 GMT
#806
On October 24 2011 18:46 Vardant wrote:
They really have no idea, what Protoss should be like, do they?


It *does* kind of seem like that

hmm i dont really see why this was a problem anyway? it just seems to remove some cheeses like cannon rush, but the low-hi ground warp in with obs/air/hallucinated units was fun to do and watch. i get the 4gate v 4gate thing but if your control and scouting was good you should be able to kill off the pylon before it warps in anything. At least thats what everyone seems to be able to do to me when i try this
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NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
June 12 2012 03:13 GMT
#807
On June 12 2012 12:10 Dingobloo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 12:08 NguN wrote:
On June 12 2012 12:06 Dingobloo wrote:
Bears repeating that this is a year old thread, we still don't know if this change is going through and it may have been to accommodate the "warp a free canon in anywhere" nexus ability that was in the previous build as they haven't patched it into WoL. I'm interested to see if it's still in the game as well because it's an interesting change, I worry that it will hit canon rushes too hard though.


I don't think you can actually get that ability out in time. From what I remember from the Battle Report, you need to have either a gateway or a cybernetics core to get one... and even then you have to save energy to get the cannon ability. Cannon rushes will hit way before then.


it's no longer in the current build, it's been replaced by the mothership core's purify which is limited to the nexus.


Oh sorry, yeah the Mothership Core was what I was talking about lol.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
June 12 2012 03:18 GMT
#808
I dont see the big deal. The all ins using this dont work anymore anyways and werent good for the game. I hope it actually stays gone
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 03:20:30
June 12 2012 03:19 GMT
#809
Maybe it is a metaphor for lower level players not being able to get into the higher level leagues in HOTS? :p
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Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
June 12 2012 03:24 GMT
#810
So is this confirmed or what? If so... Poor Gaulzi....
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
June 12 2012 03:39 GMT
#811
I like it. I get rid of some gimmick play from Protoss.
DashedHopes
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada414 Posts
June 12 2012 03:42 GMT
#812
Stopping 4 gate isn't hard, players just need to realize how to defend it.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 03:59:37
June 12 2012 03:45 GMT
#813
Removing this makes it a lot harder for Protoss players to punish greedy openers. A lot harder. I strongly oppose this change unless there is some early game buff for Protoss to compensate.

On June 12 2012 12:39 Wildmoon wrote:
I like it. I get rid of some gimmick play from Protoss.


Should Blizzard simply removed Cloaked Banshees, Nydus Worms, ect... simply because people see them as gimmicky?
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
June 12 2012 03:49 GMT
#814
On June 12 2012 12:42 DashedHopes wrote:
Stopping 4 gate isn't hard, players just need to realize how to defend it.

4 gating isn't hard, players need to realize how to play Protoss.
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
June 12 2012 03:50 GMT
#815
On June 12 2012 12:08 NguN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 12:06 Dingobloo wrote:
Bears repeating that this is a year old thread, we still don't know if this change is going through and it may have been to accommodate the "warp a free canon in anywhere" nexus ability that was in the previous build as they haven't patched it into WoL. I'm interested to see if it's still in the game as well because it's an interesting change, I worry that it will hit canon rushes too hard though.


I don't think you can actually get that ability out in time. From what I remember from the Battle Report, you need to have either a gateway or a cybernetics core to get one... and even then you have to save energy to get the cannon ability. Cannon rushes will hit way before then.


I'm pretty sure you only need a nexus to make the mothership core. So, gas, mcore. Which everyone should get asap every game due to the massive benefits as an energy bank for mass chrono, or recall, or crazy strong defense.

Look at tal'darim in PvP. 1 player 4 gates 'casue that's what you do on TA' and the other guy fast expands and drops an M-core on his expo, mostly walls off the main. see the 4 gate coming, seal the main with a gateway, activate the purifyer, warp in units. That 4 gate is dead in the water. Range 13, 60dmg, 1.3 fire rate. just an m-core and decent probe micro should hold it.
Bascal
Profile Joined March 2012
United States30 Posts
June 12 2012 03:52 GMT
#816
Seems like I'll be switching races come HotS. Time to start playing Zerg again...
"Just cause you feel it, doesn't mean it's there."
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
June 12 2012 04:36 GMT
#817
Warping in to high ground has a lot of potential and is very useful in a lot of situations. To remove it simply reduces available strategies which I don't think Blizzard wants. I mean this would kill 3 gate pressure builds to some extent as well and those are super fun to watch PvP.
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
June 12 2012 04:37 GMT
#818
I disagree with the change completely but if it absolutely must go through, go half and half on it. Let pylons warp in on the low ground but not high ground. Or vice versa; pick whichever is better.

But yeah, this is just flat out stripping tactics from the game and making it more bland for the 22 range tempest design.
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SheaR619
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2399 Posts
June 12 2012 04:55 GMT
#819
It probably due to them trying to make mech more viable. Pretty impossible to go mech right away and be safe from all opening. With the possibility of warpign on the high ground gone, alot of all-in are eliminated which make mech opening more safe.
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OneBaseKing
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Afghanistan412 Posts
June 12 2012 05:02 GMT
#820
Silly change, you guys don't actually believe this is coming to the real game right?
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