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l3lackjax
Canada24 Posts
This is how SC2 used to look guys. Enjoy! | ||
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terran0330
New Zealand106 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/blizz-con-2011/ There is a TON of good stuff from the panels, especially from the Mapmaking and Art panels. The vods are worth checking out. Specifically, the video about new Creep effects and new physics effects is really cool | ||
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DjRetro
Chile309 Posts
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l3lackjax
Canada24 Posts
On October 23 2011 14:53 DjRetro wrote: Wow dude, amazing video. The game has been changed a lot along the years... i cried while watching the video lol I agree. This is like... the evolution of StarCraft, seeing it go from 2D --> 3D. I can see why they chose to redesign so many things, the game looked awkward as a straight BW port. Also, not hating on Blizzard, but at this point they we're using BW sounds for units... this is 2006. It was 2010 when they released the game, they had 4 years to do BW quality sound effects... what happened...? | ||
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SoraLimit
Canada747 Posts
 And the rag doll effect with the burrow charged ultralisk was pretty funny. xD | ||
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tsuxiit
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Meteora.GB
Canada2479 Posts
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
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andiCR
Costa Rica2273 Posts
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quantumslip
United States188 Posts
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ROOTheognis
United States4482 Posts
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l3lackjax
Canada24 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:23 quantumslip wrote: So LAN does exist for SC2, they're just being lame about releasing it cause their greedy.if you look in the earlier builds you would spy a multiplayer (aka lan) in the menus... | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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johanngrunt
Hong Kong1555 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
His voice sounds shaky I'm guessing he felt it was a real honor and all to present this (hint from how he said that moment in korea was the best in his life) On October 23 2011 15:26 l3lackjax wrote: So LAN does exist for SC2, they're just being lame about releasing it cause their greedy. So you're saying it's fine to pirate games? Edit: LOL the physics part with the flying bodies and stuff is cool/funny xD | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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l3lackjax
Canada24 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:37 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: awesome! His voice sounds shaky I'm guessing he felt it was a real honor and all to present this (hint from how he said that moment in korea was the best in his life) So you're saying it's fine to pirate games? Not everyone who uses LAN is a pirate. Some legitimately use it. If Blizzard is so scared their sales will plummet if they release LAN for SC2, then they are just being a greedy corporation. Battle.net 2.0 is like StarCraft II's room, and Blizzard is the parent. They tell SC2 to get to their room and stay there, and it does. In short B.net 2.0 is literally there to control it's playerbase, otherwise they had no real reason to remake the original. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:41 l3lackjax wrote: If Blizzard is so scared their sales will plummet if they release LAN for SC2, then they are just being a greedy corporation. You foolish little commie, a company exists to support employees and their families. Being scared people will steal something and taking steps to prevent that is greedy? Clearly you have no sense of morals. =) | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:19 TheAmazombie wrote: Those are some awesome vids. I love the physics engine changes throughout. Yes, but can the physics engine actually do moving shot? We need fantasy vultures and air unit micro for this game to be completely perfect. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:41 l3lackjax wrote: Not everyone who uses LAN is a pirate. Some legitimately use it. If Blizzard is so scared their sales will plummet if they release LAN for SC2, then they are just being a greedy corporation. Battle.net 2.0 is like StarCraft II's room, and Blizzard is the parent. They tell SC2 to get to their room and stay there, and it does. In short B.net 2.0 is literally there to control it's playerbase, otherwise they had no real reason to remake the original. Yes but what about the piraters. The point is this. You and he are saying Blizzard is being greedy for wanting money they deserve. If they are greedy, then they do not deserve their sales. One and only one of these can be true, you cannot have both or else you basically support pirating. Battle.net 2.0 is not going to stop any pirating if there's LAN, i don't see why you mentioned it. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:37 0neder wrote: Who the hell cares about physics effects when you can't not have phoenixes shoot and fantasy vulture micro is impossible? Maybe the people working on the physics and graphics engines aren't the same ones responsible for changing gameplay? I'm sure if the gameplay designers wanted to tweak Phoenixes and Vulture-esque micro, the engineers would be more than capable of accommodating. The video was from the arts and technology presentation, so they're not the right people to complain about concerning gameplay. | ||
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l3lackjax
Canada24 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:46 0neder wrote: You foolish little commie, a company exists to support employees and their families. Being scared people will steal something and taking steps to prevent that is greedy? Clearly you have no sense of morals. =) Cause you know, they don't already make enough money from any of their other games. Not enough to actually pay their employees, apparently. | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
It looks simply sick!!! | ||
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Moshikaro
135 Posts
Those rumors about the HD BW remake. The video on how SC2 used to look. They could use that for the HD BW remake, right? It actually looks pretty decent. | ||
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Nash
151 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:51 l3lackjax wrote: Cause you know, they don't already make enough money from any of their other games. Not enough to actually pay their employees, apparently. It's not up to you to decide when they have earned enough money. Commies will be commies. | ||
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Wedge
Canada580 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:54 Moshikaro wrote: Those physics looked sick, damn. Those rumors about the HD BW remake. The video on how SC2 used to look. They could use that for the HD BW remake, right? It actually looks pretty decent. What do you mean by "rumored?" There's a third-party BW remake, but I doubt Blizz will ever make one. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145316 | ||
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l3lackjax
Canada24 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:49 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Yes but what about the piraters. The point is this. You and he are saying Blizzard is being greedy for wanting money they deserve. If they are greedy, then they do not deserve their sales. One and only one of these can be true, you cannot have both or else you basically support pirating. Battle.net 2.0 is not going to stop any pirating if there's LAN, i don't see why you mentioned it. SC2 as itself is fine, that's in no way being 'greedy'. It's the fact that they're scared to support their game, tournaments, and generally just normal players because of pirates. Most developers nowadays know their game, if it is on the PC, will be pirated. They don't necessarily exclude such a big feature as LAN because of it. Blizzard already gets enough money as it is anyways, even if their sales did drop, they could recover. The reason why I mentioned B.net 2.0 is because it's so closed off. You play by Blizzard's rules, even if they aren't accommodating in say, a tournament setting. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:58 Daralii wrote: What do you mean by "rumored?" There's a third-party BW remake, but I doubt Blizz will ever make one. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145316 I guess a few rumors about BW HD were spawned when the 4 BW pros were invited to Blizzcon, but I guess those rumors never solidified into anything substantial. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 23 2011 16:00 eviltomahawk wrote: I guess a few rumors about BW HD were spawned when the 4 BW pros were invited to Blizzcon, but I guess those rumors never solidified into anything substantial. I just assumed they were invited for them to advertise. Jaedong said back when SC2 was in beta that he'd consider switching when his contract was up, so I wouldn't be surprised if Blizz wants to try really hard to win over some of the BW gods. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On October 23 2011 16:00 l3lackjax wrote: SC2 as itself is fine, that's in no way being 'greedy'. It's the fact that they're scared to support their game, tournaments, and generally just normal players because of pirates. Most developers nowadays know their game, if it is on the PC, will be pirated. They don't necessarily exclude such a big feature as LAN because of it. Blizzard already gets enough money as it is anyways, even if their sales did drop, they could recover. The reason why I mentioned B.net 2.0 is because it so closed off. You play by Blizzard's rules, even if they aren't accommodating in say, a tournament setting. Eh, dunno why people are arguing about LAN in this thread considering the content has almost nothing to do with LAN other than the existence of LAN during the Alphas. Of course the Alphas would have LAN, as they don't use B.net. IMO, the discussion of Blizzard's removal of it should be in other threads. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 23 2011 16:02 eviltomahawk wrote: Eh, dunno why people are arguing about LAN in this thread considering the content has almost nothing to do with LAN other than the existence of LAN during the Alphas. Of course the Alphas would have LAN, as they don't use B.net. IMO, the discussion of Blizzard's removal of it should be in other threads. People love using any opportunity possible to bitch about Blizz. You get used to it reading any forum related to WoW. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On October 23 2011 16:03 Daralii wrote: People love using any opportunity possible to bitch about Blizz. You get used to it reading any forum related to WoW. Yeah. I can't expect too much off of the internet, it seems. Kinda irritating how in a thread looking at the interesting evolution of SC2's graphics and art direction, it's still so easy to derail into the standard complaints about completely unrelated problems. | ||
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l3lackjax
Canada24 Posts
On October 23 2011 16:03 Daralii wrote: Reason why I brought it up was cause now it's pretty much been proved that LAN is entirely possible for SC2, they just wont implement it.People love using any opportunity possible to bitch about Blizz. You get used to it reading any forum related to WoW. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 23 2011 16:06 l3lackjax wrote: Reason why I brought it up was cause now it's pretty much been proved that LAN is entirely possible for SC2, they just wont implement it. Which seems incredibly obvious, since Bnet 2.0 wasn't at all in a working state until at least 2008 or 2009. | ||
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Goliath0nline
Canada165 Posts
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:26 l3lackjax wrote: So LAN does exist for SC2, they're just being lame about releasing it cause their greedy. Yeah absolutely, it's not like it's an upcoming feature, it wouldn't take much to implement, they just don't want to do it. | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
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Cuiu
Germany410 Posts
On October 23 2011 16:20 enzym wrote: The low quality of the models aside, I love the old style of the Terran buildings. It looks so much more like BW. Instead they changed it to the same style they have in WoW and WC3, which is much more comic-ish. I never understood Blizzard's obsession with making everything look like "cool" toys, at the cost of completely abandoning the original atmosphere, look and feel of their games. So sad. i dont agreee with that. BW"or the first build of sc2" looks so bulky and the proportion are weird i like the sc2 style more To the video its awesome to get such inside in to the development stages. 20k builds?wtf ^^ the Creep one is my favorite part "thats what happens when you put a bunch of programmers in a room without an artist" :D | ||
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taintmachine
United States431 Posts
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 23 2011 16:27 Cuiu wrote: "thats what happens when you put a bunch of programmers in a room without an artist" :D You get purple spraypaint. :p On October 23 2011 16:28 taintmachine wrote: zealots looked better w/ brighter arm blades or whatever Psi blades. | ||
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dLKnighT
Canada735 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
In retail SC2, air units clip into each other rather than stacking, so the first build was rather fascinating to look at. | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
On October 23 2011 16:27 Cuiu wrote: i dont agreee with that. BW"or the first build of sc2" looks so bulky and the proportion are weird i like the sc2 style more The low quality of the models aside That's why explicitly stated the above, to make sure that people won't fail to differentiate the two. | ||
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rebuffering
Canada2436 Posts
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On October 23 2011 16:38 rebuffering wrote: do they seriously want me to pay 40$ to watch the whole vods, thats ridiculous, id love to watch the panels as a whole, but i mean, thats just crazy, or am i just crazy? I think there are already vods on Youtube for parts of the panels. The multiplayer panel definitely has whole vods floating around. As for the mapmaking/DotA panel, you can watch the entire presentation on Youtube: + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCi8O3nMU6w The art and technology panel has yet to be uploaded in its entirety, though you can piece it together from the videos in this article: http://www.sc2mapster.com/announcements/blizz-con-2011/ | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On October 23 2011 15:58 Daralii wrote: What do you mean by "rumored?" There's a third-party BW remake, but I doubt Blizz will ever make one. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145316 I think he's making reference to this + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/november/blizzardslate.jpg) | ||
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InPlainSight
New Zealand40 Posts
20k builds?wtf ^^ That essentially means there have been 20k code submissions to their repository. When you consider that this is over the course of 4 years it's not that ridiculous. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
On October 23 2011 16:00 l3lackjax wrote: SC2 as itself is fine, that's in no way being 'greedy'. It's the fact that they're scared to support their game, tournaments, and generally just normal players because of pirates. Most developers nowadays know their game, if it is on the PC, will be pirated. They don't necessarily exclude such a big feature as LAN because of it. Blizzard already gets enough money as it is anyways, even if their sales did drop, they could recover. The reason why I mentioned B.net 2.0 is because it's so closed off. You play by Blizzard's rules, even if they aren't accommodating in say, a tournament setting. Once again you do not address my argument... once again you are saying they do not deserve their sales. This means that you support pirating. Bnet 2.0 still doesn't have anything to do with this... if there is LAN, it means they do not have to use Bnet 2.0, which is what you want. And then there will be piraters. It doesn't justify breaking the law just because you're unhappy with the product. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
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edc
United States666 Posts
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EnclaveUSA
United States18 Posts
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
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