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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 21 2011 19:34 GMT
#2661
Not a fan of the Replicant or Warhound (I like the idea, it just looks stupid) right now, but everything else looks awesome. The 2 zerg units look really cool, and their abilities look extremely useful (the one where units gets yanked away does look odd when done to a Colossus thought). Mech play seems back and kicking for Terran, and that Battle Hellion should effectively stop marines charging into siege lines.
Protoss stuff gets a meh from me.
Overall though, this looks very good. For now, good job Blizzard.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Smurphy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States374 Posts
October 21 2011 19:35 GMT
#2662
The Colossus is still in the game...
Cain0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom608 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 19:35:24
October 21 2011 19:35 GMT
#2663
On October 22 2011 04:33 SupItsG wrote:
Collapsible rocks rofl


I thought of another idea for rock, its called a tumbling rock. It sits onto of the natural expansion and if you shoot it enough, it flattens the expansion and all the workers. LOL.
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
October 21 2011 19:35 GMT
#2664
On October 22 2011 04:33 Cain0 wrote:

Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 04:29 MuseMike wrote:
I am glad they are going to have a WoL ladder still.


Enjoy playing TvT all day then. Because terrans will be the only race playing on WoL when HotS comes.


And Zergs will be the only race playing HoTS by the looks of the updates.
Superneenja
Profile Joined December 2010
United States154 Posts
October 21 2011 19:35 GMT
#2665
I think terran got screwed on this one....
How is replicant not going to OP?..Can you just make replicants and make whatever units you need to counter opponent?
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 19:36:04
October 21 2011 19:35 GMT
#2666
On October 22 2011 04:32 SolidMoose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 04:30 NeonFox wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:25 GinDo wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:21 ruhrohraggy wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:14 NeonFox wrote:
Wait wait wait from someone's twitter the viper costs 200 gas? So for zerg to have mobile detection he needs 200 gas?

If it stays this way dts can deny a zergs third for a loooong time :/


This is the reason why I just can't see them removing the Overseer. I think they will have to add it back in.


Ravens are 200 gas O_O. Zergs won't be happy until detection comes free with overlords.


You can scan, you can even build turrets where you want, the only other detection we have is spore crawlers, and we can only build them on creep.


Spore crawlers move, and scans kill off the entire Terran economy. Not to mention things can just run out of scan range.

Also it already sounds like Viper is going to be way better than the Raven, so it's not like you're getting some dumb useless unit like Terran would have to.


I'm not saying the viper is bad, and we can't now anyways how all this will work out until the game is out, my prime exemple still stays; if with what we know now a toss goes for dts early enough zergs will not be able to secure a third before they get lair and 200 gas.

Edit : I'm not even saying it's bad, because nobody will know until we play it.
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
October 21 2011 19:35 GMT
#2667
I hope the viper pull gets removed/changed, it looks really awkward.
/commercial
Little-Chimp
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada949 Posts
October 21 2011 19:36 GMT
#2668
The viper looks so so sick. Zerg looks so much better now. Terran is underwhelming but that's okay.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
October 21 2011 19:36 GMT
#2669
On October 22 2011 04:35 Smurphy wrote:
The Colossus is still in the game...


do you even see the other units? and you're worried about the colossus?
The universe created an audience for itself.
Otak
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom110 Posts
October 21 2011 19:36 GMT
#2670
that viper is the most ridiculously OP thing I have seen. Blatantly OP if it can pull massive key units away from the safety of the army like that. Don't know how they can possibly think its ok.
Kal_rA
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2925 Posts
October 21 2011 19:36 GMT
#2671
On October 22 2011 04:34 awesomoecalypse wrote:
my thoughts on the new Toss goodies:

New Nexus Spells: A+++ Mass Recall as a core Protoss mechanic makes a ton of sense and will help the race enormously. With how expensive Toss units are, and how ineffective they typically are in small numbers, it is very difficult to commit with enough of your forces to do damage without setting up a scenario where you either win the game outright, or lose your army and therefore the game. The new defensive spells seems purely to give defender's advantage back to early game PvP, which is much needed.


Yea sure, but offensive recall goes out the window (unless your a total bad ass and manor nexus hahaha)
Jaedong.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 19:36:35
October 21 2011 19:36 GMT
#2672
On October 22 2011 04:35 Superneenja wrote:
I think terran got screwed on this one....
How is replicant not going to OP?..Can you just make replicants and make whatever units you need to counter opponent?


Terran's aren't screwed. They just got Firebats and Goliaths only they don't look as cool.
vahgar.r24
Profile Joined October 2010
India465 Posts
October 21 2011 19:36 GMT
#2673
zomg i just came seeing the units!!!
No reaver shit
Somethings are just worth fighting for
SiegeFlank
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States410 Posts
October 21 2011 19:36 GMT
#2674
Really liking all of these changes and new units, seems like it'll open up lots of new options for strategies in multiplayer.

Zerg definitely got the best of this expansion though
Bird up
whoopadeedoo
Profile Joined June 2010
United States427 Posts
October 21 2011 19:36 GMT
#2675
On October 22 2011 04:34 awesomoecalypse wrote:
my thoughts on the new Toss goodies:

New Nexus Spells: A+++ Mass Recall as a core Protoss mechanic makes a ton of sense and will help the race enormously. With how expensive Toss units are, and how ineffective they typically are in small numbers, it is very difficult to commit with enough of your forces to do damage without setting up a scenario where you either win the game outright, or lose your army and therefore the game. The new defensive spells seems purely to give defender's advantage back to early game PvP, which is much needed.

Oracle: A-. A powerful scouting tool (that synergizes well with CB--see what they're making, cb out the counter) that also has a potent "get in, get out" harassment power that doesn't expose your unit to harm the way Phoenix or Void harass does. Its not quite Reaver-Shuttle, but if handled properly I could see it being a very potent weapon in the Protoss arsenal.

Replicator: C+/TBD. Not sure about this. The video shows it replicating from range, which could be crazily potent. But Joshy said it required melee, which seems so micro-intensive and niche as to be nearly useless. This unit worries me, because I think balancing it could be very hard, and it will mainly be used to set up specific broken unit combos like Fungal Growth+Psi Storm, or SCV repair+Colossi. Also, does it work on Protoss units. We need to learn more about this.

Tempest: B. I'll miss Carriers, but if we finally get a viable Protoss capital ship I'll be okay with it. With Mass Recall moved to the nexus, and Vortex so problematic given that they've been unable to figure out a way to remove Archon Toilet, the Mothership would seem a prime target for removal as well.




HoTS does seem like a platform for abuse-able combos. Again, I really do not like what Blizzard is doing with SC2.
nerak
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Brazil256 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 19:37:02
October 21 2011 19:36 GMT
#2676
On October 22 2011 04:27 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 04:25 entropius wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:23 0neder wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:22 unsmart wrote:
Those burrow charge Ultras scare me. Something Ultras normally aren't able to do.

Zealot charge should be removed, and they should just get a slight speed buff (more than the default they already get).


Why should Zealot charge be removed? I think it's a great flavorful ability that makes zealots unique.

Because this game is increasingly being built on a foundation of collections of abilities, rather than inherently dynamic matchups.


Yeah. Im loving the preview but I´m thinking the same thing. Hundreds and hundreds of abilities (compared to BW), most doesnt require that much micro, attacking units are more about dps. Some stuff in the preview does ressemble BW, but some are like, they´re pushing the game even farer away to the original...

Which´s neither good or bad. But Im having this thoughts, what´s their philosophy? Maybe they do want the game to be very different from BW.
"I am smiling" - Marauder Dynamite
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
October 21 2011 19:36 GMT
#2677
I had a horrible dream that Blizzard announced the release date & price of HoTS. They said $80.
EG-TL!
Cain0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom608 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 19:37:37
October 21 2011 19:37 GMT
#2678
On October 22 2011 04:35 MuseMike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 04:33 Cain0 wrote:

On October 22 2011 04:29 MuseMike wrote:
I am glad they are going to have a WoL ladder still.


Enjoy playing TvT all day then. Because terrans will be the only race playing on WoL when HotS comes.


And Zergs will be the only race playing HoTS by the looks of the updates.


Erm, no, all the pros will play HotS, so everyone else will. Anyways, ZvZ is much more fun than TvT. Enjoy staring at tank lines and defending 1/1/1's all day. Im loving all these Terran tears.
Jhuyt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden365 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 19:49:05
October 21 2011 19:37 GMT
#2679

User was warned for this post

EDIT: Sorry about that, it wont happen again.
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Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
October 21 2011 19:37 GMT
#2680
Speed upgrade (Redline reactor according to Aceanuu) for battlecruisers!
http://lostconcrete.com/BlizzconMultiScreens/Redline reactor allows Battlecruisers to speed into battle copy.jpg

http://lostconcrete.com/BlizzconMultiScreens/

more pictures of stuff here
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