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I)etox
Profile Joined April 2011
1240 Posts
October 21 2011 19:15 GMT
#2541
looks like michael bay is the new terran unit design lead
ArEgHollow
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada31 Posts
October 21 2011 19:16 GMT
#2542
On October 22 2011 04:09 zeehar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 04:07 Grummler wrote:
On October 22 2011 03:39 galivet wrote:
The new protoss units don't sound very fun to me.

Replicant:
If I wanted to use zerg or terran units, I would play zerg or terran. These things sound like such a pain in the ass to micro: Have to get it melee range of an enemy unit, cast the spell, then get away without losing the replicant. Seems very micro-intensive, especially against concussive shell. So to me this unit sounds like a big APM-dump that I can use to do something that I can also achieve just by changing my race before the match starts.


Ok, so maybe i am dumb, but i dont get your post.

1. The Replicant allows you to use your enemy units in combination with your own. Changing to Terran limits your unit choice to pure terran, picking zerg allows you to control your enemy units for a very short amount of time. So "just changing my race" doesnt work.

2. You dont need to get in melee range.

But maybe its not me who is dumb.


according to askjoshy, they do have to get into melee range.


if you look at the video @1:40 you it doesnt seem to have to be in melee range
Butigroove
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Seychelles2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 19:16:47
October 21 2011 19:16 GMT
#2543
I'm like a little kid. This is awesome. I bet blizzard couldnt wait to reveal this stuff to ease some of the communities complaining. Now every argument about the game is countered by 'just wait till HotS' LOL
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TheUltimate
Profile Joined August 2011
82 Posts
October 21 2011 19:16 GMT
#2544
I agree with a lot of what you wrote. However:

On October 22 2011 04:01 3clipse wrote:
Swarm Host B-

It's a fun idea for a unit, I just don't see it being incredibly useful.

How useful was the Lurker in BW?

On October 22 2011 04:01 3clipse wrote:
Moving Burrowed Banelings D-

This is going to be incredibly imbalanced for a week before players realize that they need detection everywhere, and then no one will use it.

It'll encourage more missile turrets from the Terran. It will be OP especially if the Raven isn't made any easier to obtain.

On October 22 2011 04:01 3clipse wrote:
Oracle C+

Is slowing down mining really preferred when killing workers might take similar effort? I sort of like the concept (feels right to have these abilities under P rather than Z control), but I'm not entirely convinced this will be useful.

It seems to be positioned to be a low-risk way of stopping mining. A full drop can be quite costly, especially if it's stopped. But for Zerg especially, it's difficult to stop air before mutas/infestors, so all Protoss would be risking is mining, and it'd have a low micro-cost. I can see it being quite useful

On October 22 2011 04:01 3clipse wrote:
Warhound D-

Poor design (looks like a tall scv). Function overlaps thor (please don't remove the thor for this piece of garbage). Seems like an all-around boring unit that doesn't offer new micro possibilities and has an indistinct role.

No, I think this makes sense. Hopefully it'll allow air-aoe for less cost - air-aoe was the most substantial use for thors.

On October 22 2011 04:01 3clipse wrote:
Battle Hellion C-

Ok, it adds a little micro and decision making. But really, were hellions not good enough before? The fact that they die to banelings or roaches fairly quickly is my only saving grace vs these bastards. It's also a pretty lazy change.

This, along with the warhound, seem to be added to make mech a more powerful tech choice - it's considered weaker than marine/tank against Zerg just now. Ordinary hellions just aren't as effective as marines at keeping things off your tanks.

On October 22 2011 04:01 3clipse wrote:
Shredder C

Holds the unimpressive distinction of being the least awful new Terran unit. I like that it creates a new type of gameplay dynamic, but doesn Terran really need more static defense? With siege tanks, bunkers, turrets and PD's? It seems a bit superfluous to me.

Terran currently have no zero-supply ground defense except planetary fortresses. That makes drops on the main and natural a lot easier for other players. They're filling a gap here, I think - pull away your SCVs quickly enough and the pulse will take out the zealots/marines.
forumtext
Profile Joined September 2011
575 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 19:17:42
October 21 2011 19:16 GMT
#2545
Terran is going to ignore and walk pass Swarm Host. spitting out 2 unit is not going to do much when marine have high DPS. even with 10 Hosts you still get about 20 units spawns. the spawn creatures will never reach the marines. So unless the terran need to take over a position, they are just gonna stim and run pass.
tarodotoxin
Profile Joined July 2011
United States110 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-21 19:16:52
October 21 2011 19:16 GMT
#2546
i remember saying that ultras need a charge attack and hydras need speed upgrade.

everyone said it was OP..... ha, guess not idiots....
Br1ghT
Profile Joined February 2010
53 Posts
October 21 2011 19:16 GMT
#2547
HoTs Trailer who missed it like me
Flossy
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States870 Posts
October 21 2011 19:16 GMT
#2548
This sounds like bling muta viper will be super OP.
Mutas and vipers can swoop in and take out detection then your burrowed blings can kill everything else.
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carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
October 21 2011 19:16 GMT
#2549
Thors are 600 minerals now and require a fusion core. Theyve got the aoe ability from single player.You can only have 1 thor at a time now,.a la mothership


Well, there goes (T)GoOdy stile play :/
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Chibithor
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil514 Posts
October 21 2011 19:17 GMT
#2550
On October 22 2011 04:13 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 04:06 Daralii wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:05 XRaDiiX wrote:
What's funny is im seeing alot of Complaints from Terran and Protoss but you guys got 3 new units Zerg only got 2 .

HOTS looking to be awesome ....

Toss lost at least 2, though. Net gain of 1, same for Z.


You Do Realise Protoss initially had around 4-5 more unique units compared to Zergs number of Unique Units.

I just noticed in the Polls 90% of the Zerg were happy with their 2 new units. While the Protoss and Protoss were 50% satisfied and the Terran 35%-65% i think.

Just saying the polls show you guys aren't as satisifed as Zergs but you got more *new* units i'm not referring to Net Gain (since you already had way many more unique Units in WOL)

Don't know about the rest, but I voted on all of the polls, so you can hardly say it's just the Terran that are disappointed in their units. I voted yes for Z and P, no for T. Because the Terran units are pretty lame other than the semi-unrevealed one.
eugalp
Profile Joined August 2011
United States203 Posts
October 21 2011 19:17 GMT
#2551
I hope they change the nexus defensive ability. Right now, not only does it look weak, but you must also choose whether you want to use it on your buildings or chronoboost warpgates to get your units to come out faster. Tough choice...
"More GG more skill" - White-Ra
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
October 21 2011 19:17 GMT
#2552


1:33 for new units.. watching that just gave me chills..
XXXSmOke
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States1333 Posts
October 21 2011 19:17 GMT
#2553
Why does the warhound have the EXACT animation of the collsus???????????

erm???

Hermm????

What???
Emperor? Boxer disapproves. He's building bunkers at your mom's house even as you're reading this.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 21 2011 19:17 GMT
#2554
On October 22 2011 04:16 carloselcoco wrote:
Show nested quote +
Thors are 600 minerals now and require a fusion core. Theyve got the aoe ability from single player.You can only have 1 thor at a time now,.a la mothership


Well, there goes (T)GoOdy stile play :/

Nah, GoOdy's all about tanks.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Bonkerz
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States831 Posts
October 21 2011 19:17 GMT
#2555
Looks sweeeeet!!
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RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3121 Posts
October 21 2011 19:18 GMT
#2556
On October 22 2011 04:00 MasterFischer wrote:
Pandas..... hahhahahahaha


Man i'm glad I quit WoW so long ago...

FUCKING PANDAS ! :D hahaha'



but hey.....you can buy 12 months of it and get diablo 3 free!

insta-mute on that speech, btw.
tuoli9
Profile Joined October 2011
Finland211 Posts
October 21 2011 19:18 GMT
#2557
On October 22 2011 04:12 AIRwar wrote:
Omg the trailer...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG_3R9BoVvg&feature=youtu.be


Is it just me or are stalkers a little bit smaller? You can see them at 1:48.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
October 21 2011 19:19 GMT
#2558
What's awesome is the Snow Maps and stuff. I Can't wait for a lot of new maps.. Hopefully Blizzard will make a lot of HUGE maps for the Ladder etc.

So we can have more macro games instead of 8-10 minute Rushes.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
lowercase
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1047 Posts
October 21 2011 19:19 GMT
#2559
As an aside...

From a design perspective - why remove units from the game at all? What harm could be done by leaving carriers, motherships, and regular thors in the game? They would just add more depth and provide more options for players that would make the game more interesting and dynamic overall.
That is not dead which can eternal lie...
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
October 21 2011 19:19 GMT
#2560
On October 22 2011 04:11 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 04:09 zeehar wrote:
On October 22 2011 04:07 Grummler wrote:
On October 22 2011 03:39 galivet wrote:
The new protoss units don't sound very fun to me.

Replicant:
If I wanted to use zerg or terran units, I would play zerg or terran. These things sound like such a pain in the ass to micro: Have to get it melee range of an enemy unit, cast the spell, then get away without losing the replicant. Seems very micro-intensive, especially against concussive shell. So to me this unit sounds like a big APM-dump that I can use to do something that I can also achieve just by changing my race before the match starts.


Ok, so maybe i am dumb, but i dont get your post.

1. The Replicant allows you to use your enemy units in combination with your own. Changing to Terran limits your unit choice to pure terran, picking zerg allows you to control your enemy units for a very short amount of time. So "just changing my race" doesnt work.

2. You dont need to get in melee range.

But maybe its not me who is dumb.


according to askjoshy, they do have to get into melee range.

Replicants in the gameplay trailer were able to copy siege tanks up a ramp with a full wall of marines between them, though.

Its possible that once a Replicant copies something, that copy is stored for all future replicants to use.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
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