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On October 20 2011 20:08 Eviscerador wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 19:30 iNViCiOUZ wrote:
God thanks for Battlefield 3.
I am not going to play this map-pool anymore... Because BF3 and SC2 are related games... I find this amusing, I'm sure most people posting here don't have skill enough to blame the maps for imbalance, but they rant because the mainstream "wanna be pros" in TL do. I'm glad you are hardcore gamers (well, people saying won't play because of maps doesn't seem too hardcore for me) but remember for every master player, there are 50 casual gamers, which enjoy current maps, or just doesn't care nor have skill to care about them. Blizzard could do better, and there are some maps which are better than others for sure. But saying the map pool sucks it is just too much imo.
Its quite cheap and arrogant to claim that people should not be entitled to an opinion about the ladder maps because they are not grandmaster or pro level. Even if its too much for you to grasp, people can very well tell if they enjoy a game or not at any level.
And there is not a single good reason for anyone not play on tournaments maps.
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May Blizz has to make a poll for the 2 maps the people like to have replaced.
For me the most hated maps as toss are backwater gulch and searing crater. Backwater is no fun for me and searing crater is just imbalance in my opinion!
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On October 20 2011 18:24 Slyce wrote:
Not sure why there is so much love for Metalopolis in this thread.
It was rubbish! unless you played zerg... Then it was just funny.
But seriously, a very bad map.
I love Metalopolis!
Yes, I´m only silver - but I paid Blizzard as much money for the game as any other high-level player. And I know that tons of bronze, silver and gold player also love Metalopolis.
It is a lot of fun to play. If it is not balanced, let´s change it a bit. But I don´t like it, that it was removed completely.
Most new maps are all very similar from my point of (silver-)view...
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On October 20 2011 20:08 Eviscerador wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 19:30 iNViCiOUZ wrote:
God thanks for Battlefield 3.
I am not going to play this map-pool anymore... Because BF3 and SC2 are related games... I find this amusing, I'm sure most people posting here don't have skill enough to blame the maps for imbalance, but they rant because the mainstream "wanna be pros" in TL do. I'm glad you are hardcore gamers (well, people saying won't play because of maps doesn't seem too hardcore for me) but remember for every master player, there are 50 casual gamers, which enjoy current maps, or just doesn't care nor have skill to care about them. Blizzard could do better, and there are some maps which are better than others for sure. But saying the map pool sucks it is just too much imo.
You know everyone doesn't only argue about something for their own sake, I want the ladder to have tournament maps so that the pros can have an easier time practicing. And a lot of people just find it fun to play on the same maps that they see the pros play on when they watch tournaments, you can try their strategies for that map etc.
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I feel like it's time to let go xel'naga at least...
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I agree 100%. I enjoy watching the pro players in these GSL maps that encourage [usually] macro games. And when I go to casually ladder, I have to deal with close by ground spawns, wide open naturals, and 3rds that are literally surrounded by high ground.
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On October 20 2011 20:50 kYem wrote:
I feel like it's time to let go xel'naga at least...
xelnaga
searing crater
taldarim (especially pvp)
T.T
edit~
backwater gulch
typhon
yuck
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Why can't they just add like Dual Site and some of the bigger GSL maps, maybe Xelnaga fortress? Blizzard showing yet again that they have no understanding of competetive play. I think they will understand just how bad their maps are after the shitstorm following blizzcon though.
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just add new maps blizzard... -.-
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On October 20 2011 20:55 StarBrift wrote:
Why can't they just add like Dual Site and some of the bigger GSL maps, maybe Xelnaga fortress? Blizzard showing yet again that they have no understanding of competetive play. I think they will understand just how bad their maps are after the shitstorm following blizzcon though.
Uhh, I think I'd rather have Searing and the other lame maps in the pool than Dual Sight. Dual Sight is a really terrible map balance-wise. But sure, Fortress and stuff would be cool.
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On October 20 2011 19:18 TechnoZerg wrote:
There's probably legal/ego issues regarding Blizzard's reluctance to adopt community-made maps in the 1x1 map pool. This will inherently skew balance data and future balance discussion. I just hope for the sake of the consumers that Blizzard will bite the bullet and include tournament playable maps.
Well fuck, I'm not asking for blizzard to steal GSL maps. I just wish Blizzard had better map developers on staff. Stop with all the got damn destructive rock shenanigans and give us better maps that don't involve close position shenanigans or blatant racial imbalance on them.
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So why are we starting a new season earlier then? :S
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WHY?
that was the only reason I was psyched for the new season..
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i hate kydhiran depths sigh
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I was hoping for
- xel'naga
- tal'darim
- searing crater
to be out of the pool.
IMO they should add:
- daybreak
- bel'shir beach (yes i'm zerg  )
- and another map (maybe a 4 player blizz map...)
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On October 20 2011 20:42 perestain wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 20:08 Eviscerador wrote:On October 20 2011 19:30 iNViCiOUZ wrote:
God thanks for Battlefield 3.
I am not going to play this map-pool anymore... Because BF3 and SC2 are related games... I find this amusing, I'm sure most people posting here don't have skill enough to blame the maps for imbalance, but they rant because the mainstream "wanna be pros" in TL do. I'm glad you are hardcore gamers (well, people saying won't play because of maps doesn't seem too hardcore for me) but remember for every master player, there are 50 casual gamers, which enjoy current maps, or just doesn't care nor have skill to care about them. Blizzard could do better, and there are some maps which are better than others for sure. But saying the map pool sucks it is just too much imo. Its quite cheap and arrogant to claim that people should not be entitled to an opinion about the ladder maps because they are not grandmaster or pro level. Even if its too much for you to grasp, people can very well tell if they enjoy a game or not at any level. And there is not a single good reason for anyone not play on tournaments maps.
I didn't say anything about people giving an opinion. I was talking about the 90% of this thread posters which just say "Fuck, this map pool is shit, pros play in other maps" which isn't quite true (pros also ladder as practice)
And in case people just want tournament maps in blizzard ladder just because their favourite pro players play in them, well those pros also play in blizzard ladder most of the time, so if they play on them, why you not? Do like them, ladder in blizzard maps and play custom game in GSL or whatever custom map you desire.
But ranting just for rant is pretty amusing.
As I said, i'm not defending Blizzard. Some of their maps are not as good as they should, and they could do better, but from this to "FUCK BLIZZ SHIT MAPS" there is a loooong way.
After all, if there was no Blizzard, we wouldn't be here talking about some of the best games in gaming history.
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Don't they always talk about how they want to see varied play all the time? I thought new maps would create new playstyles.... hmmm
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I don't understand it, there are good GSL maps that arn't "too big" as Blizzard would put it, and most of the people playing probably have as many of the new maps as they can from last season vetoed...
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On October 20 2011 22:03 Eviscerador wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 20:42 perestain wrote:On October 20 2011 20:08 Eviscerador wrote:On October 20 2011 19:30 iNViCiOUZ wrote:
God thanks for Battlefield 3.
I am not going to play this map-pool anymore... Because BF3 and SC2 are related games... I find this amusing, I'm sure most people posting here don't have skill enough to blame the maps for imbalance, but they rant because the mainstream "wanna be pros" in TL do. I'm glad you are hardcore gamers (well, people saying won't play because of maps doesn't seem too hardcore for me) but remember for every master player, there are 50 casual gamers, which enjoy current maps, or just doesn't care nor have skill to care about them. Blizzard could do better, and there are some maps which are better than others for sure. But saying the map pool sucks it is just too much imo. Its quite cheap and arrogant to claim that people should not be entitled to an opinion about the ladder maps because they are not grandmaster or pro level. Even if its too much for you to grasp, people can very well tell if they enjoy a game or not at any level. And there is not a single good reason for anyone not play on tournaments maps. I didn't say anything about people giving an opinion. I was talking about the 90% of this thread posters which just say "Fuck, this map pool is shit, pros play in other maps" which isn't quite true (pros also ladder as practice) And in case people just want tournament maps in blizzard ladder just because their favourite pro players play in them, well those pros also play in blizzard ladder most of the time, so if they play on them, why you not? Do like them, ladder in blizzard maps and play custom game in GSL or whatever custom map you desire. But ranting just for rant is pretty amusing. As I said, i'm not defending Blizzard. Some of their maps are not as good as they should, and they could do better, but from this to "FUCK BLIZZ SHIT MAPS" there is a loooong way. After all, if there was no Blizzard, we wouldn't be here talking about some of the best games in gaming history.
I'm quite sure that almost every professional player uses the majority of their practice on tournament maps. Many players have stated that ladder to them, is just a casual thing. Who would ever want to play ladder maps the majority of the time and get 2 raxed close spawn on Shattered?
The current map pool is underwhelming, this is a fact. Blizzard haven't changed it for the next season, then somehow wonder why their ladder becomes stagnant after the first few weeks.
People are entitled to bitch. It's one year into SC2 and we're still dealing with close spawn Shattered. Specific maps/spawns should never be almost universally dreaded by everyone, yet continuously locked into ladder.
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