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On October 14 2011 01:29 Roxy wrote:
Very Interesting
It is a shame that all of the skilled players chose terran.. wish i could see some protoss innovate new strategies but alas all of the protoss players are scrubs
I guess they just pick terran because it is the hardest race to play and we all know koreans love high APM
You're joking right? You can't honestly think that the win rates are like this simply because all the skilled players picked terran? All protoss players are scrubs???? Please tell me you're a troll. It would sadden me to think that a human is capable of actually thinking(Or lack thereof) like this....
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Open office can't create a proper graph for percentages? I somehow doubt that. But if that's the case, then shame on Open office.
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On October 14 2011 01:46 naut1c wrote:
give it some time... protoss players have to develop... do some insane warp prism harassment
Yes give  Squirtle some time eventually he will evolve into Wartortle and show 'em all!
I think we need to get David Kim to watch some more GSL!
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Unfortunately this is not really a surprise... some protoss changes in season 4 maybe? I'm only in diamond so being an underpowered toss really doesnt matter to much to me in game, but its really hard to watch tournaments and root for by fav brotoss's (white-ra, huk, hero) these days... It's also maddening to hear people still complain that toss is overpowered(Quantic Destiny) despite all evidence to the contrary... *sigh* guess that just the nature of the beast.
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On October 14 2011 02:07 eYeball wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 01:46 naut1c wrote:
give it some time... protoss players have to develop... do some insane warp prism harassment Yes give Squirtle some time eventually he will evolve into Wartortle and show 'em all! I think we need to get David Kim to watch some more GSL!
IDK if that will matter since Terran already have Charizard and Zerg have Venusaur in MVP and Nestea :p
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I´m random, and I have to say, the hardest race is Terran. You have far too many options, far too many decisions to make, far too much information to gather, and having all that just makes the game harder, not easier. Protoss is the easiest race for me to play, followed by zerg, and if you don´t know the other races well enough, you shouldn´t talk about balance. Try it out: if you are protoss or zerg, play as terran a couple of times and you´ll see how much harder it is.
So stop whining about balance. I mean, if you are not pro, you are not in the level to choose a race. Play as all of them.
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For anyone interested, I was looking at the ESV Korean Weekly stats which should provide a good picture of players trying to break into Code A.
In the Ro64:
#10: 30P 16T 18Z
#11: 23P 19T 21Z
#12: 24P 20T 20Z
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On October 14 2011 02:09 Caesarion wrote:
For anyone interested, I was looking at the ESV Korean Weekly stats which should provide a good picture of players trying to break into Code A.
In the Ro64:
#10: 30P 16T 18Z
#11: 23P 19T 21Z
#12: 24P 20T 20Z
Well... at least they're trying. All hope is not lost.
On October 14 2011 02:09 TiTanIum_ wrote:
I´m random, and I have to say, the hardest race is Terran. You have far too many options, far too many decisions to make, far too much information to gather, and having all that just makes the game harder, not easier. Protoss is the easiest race for me to play, followed by zerg, and if you don´t know the other races well enough, you shouldn´t talk about balance. Try it out: if you are protoss or zerg, play as terran a couple of times and you´ll see how much harder it is.
So stop whining about balance. I mean, if you are not pro, you are not in the level to choose a race. Play as all of them.
I played Terran a bit. And I find it easier. I can go into a macro game without fearing being cheesed and my mechanics and multitasking (around 150 APM lategame post patch) are actually put to another use than defending relentlessly drops, cloaked banshees and mutalisks :D. Terran is a real pleasure when you know how to move your fingers somewhat fast.
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On October 14 2011 02:09 TiTanIum_ wrote:
I´m random, and I have to say, the hardest race is Terran. You have far too many options, far too many decisions to make, far too much information to gather, and having all that just makes the game harder, not easier. Protoss is the easiest race for me to play, followed by zerg, and if you don´t know the other races well enough, you shouldn´t talk about balance. Try it out: if you are protoss or zerg, play as terran a couple of times and you´ll see how much harder it is.
So stop whining about balance. I mean, if you are not pro, you are not in the level to choose a race. Play as all of them.
Gotta love these masters who think their own experience with the game overruns the numbers from pro games xD
What's easier for you does not mean crap, seriously.
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On October 14 2011 02:12 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 02:09 Caesarion wrote:
For anyone interested, I was looking at the ESV Korean Weekly stats which should provide a good picture of players trying to break into Code A.
In the Ro64:
#10: 30P 16T 18Z
#11: 23P 19T 21Z
#12: 24P 20T 20Z Well... at least they're trying. All hope is not lost.
Yep, I was trying to make the point that it's clearly untrue that professional SC2 players tend towards Terran, as some people were saying.
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On October 14 2011 02:09 TiTanIum_ wrote:
I´m random, and I have to say, the hardest race is Terran. You have far too many options, far too many decisions to make, far too much information to gather, and having all that just makes the game harder, not easier. Protoss is the easiest race for me to play, followed by zerg, and if you don´t know the other races well enough, you shouldn´t talk about balance. Try it out: if you are protoss or zerg, play as terran a couple of times and you´ll see how much harder it is.
So stop whining about balance. I mean, if you are not pro, you are not in the level to choose a race. Play as all of them.
For a guy who wants us to stop talking about balance (I agree this isn't a balance thread), you sure talk a lot about balance in your post, also, telling people that they can't talk about something because of their race is fairly ignorant, if anything those players know more about their race than someone who plays random.(stop being so elitest), everyone here is entitled to their opinion.
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On October 14 2011 01:29 Roxy wrote:
Very Interesting
It is a shame that all of the skilled players chose terran.. wish i could see some protoss innovate new strategies but alas all of the protoss players are scrubs
I guess they just pick terran because it is the hardest race to play and we all know koreans love high APM
Yea I am hundred percent sure that protoss players are no where near as skilled, nor practices no where near as hard as terran players do. Especially when thousands of dollars are on the line. I mean you have to be kidding me to say one race is the hardest to play when they are winning all the damn games.
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On October 14 2011 02:09 Alejandrisha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2011 02:07 eYeball wrote:On October 14 2011 01:46 naut1c wrote:
give it some time... protoss players have to develop... do some insane warp prism harassment Yes give Squirtle some time eventually he will evolve into Wartortle and show 'em all! I think we need to get David Kim to watch some more GSL! IDK if that will matter since Terran already have Charizard and Zerg have Venusaur in MVP and Nestea :p
Everyone knows Blastoise dominates them both. Not only because he learns Ice Beam and Blizzard which pump Venusaur and double pump Charizard, he's got mother fucking cannons on his back.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ChgbT.jpg)
Would not fuck with...
All we gotta do is wait for GSL Season 36 for things to balance themselves out. Nae bother
Sad Zealot fighting!
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On October 14 2011 02:03 usethis2 wrote:
If you're going to use percentage you should not cut the graph at the top. I have no vested interest in certain races' win rates but these types of graphs that people make in TL.net bother me because the posters all seem to have ulterior/sensational motives - because that's what manipulated graphs normally do.
There are cases where practical reasons (e.g. legibility) might be a hurdle for accurate graphs, but this isn't such a case.
I agree, and I have always said. With the way some people are presenting stats and graphs it makes it seem as if the differences were much much larger than they really are.
Not saying the Op is doing that, but people should really be a bit more responsible in ow they present their data
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I'm usually not one to comment on balance, but those graphs... specifically because of how far back they go, are very interesting... Does anyone want to bother calculating the overall win rates for all time combined? I have a hypothesis I would like to test. 
Oh, and perhaps a running avg, not just total?... :p
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guys... dw - look at the graph.. protoss peaks when MC wins, and its heading back up - MC is going to win the next gsl and protoss will be saved. (winning his seed from MLG ofc)
we can wish cant we? 
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Interesting graphs thanks for sharing them.
Toss is really taking a beating right now I still feel like once all the expansions come out it will be a different story and everything will be a bit more even and based a lot more on pure skill rather than any sort of...imbalances... <-- hate to use that word.
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Man all these stats thread, can we just bundle them all up into one so people can have a one stop thread to complain in?
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those graphs are suspiciously curvy... can you just show the raw data instead of this bs smoothed version?
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On October 14 2011 02:23 Sanchonator wrote:protoss peaks when MC wins
maybe this means MC genius sc2 player and protoss never was imbalanced TT
they nerf toss to stop MC, but as a result they totally kill race
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