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QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 16:30:40
October 13 2011 16:29 GMT
#21
I find it quite interesting that during Zerg's "underpowered" era, their winrate did not drop below 40%.

Also that Terran seems to bounce back from any temporary drops in win rates very quickly.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
October 13 2011 16:31 GMT
#22
On October 14 2011 01:22 Fleebu wrote:
Maybe you should also look at the percentage of people in Korea who actually play Protoss...


Lower than Terran, higher than Zerg. It's like 36% Terran, 33% Protoss and 31% Zerg in Korean Pro Teams. In Korean GM it's a bit more Terran skewed, but similar overall.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
October 13 2011 16:31 GMT
#23
On October 14 2011 01:29 Roxy wrote:
Very Interesting

It is a shame that all of the skilled players chose terran.. wish i could see some protoss innovate new strategies but alas all of the protoss players are scrubs

I guess they just pick terran because it is the hardest race to play and we all know koreans love high APM


this is the kind of reasoning that blows my mind
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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 13 2011 16:31 GMT
#24
Just what i was saying. TvZ is fine. P is doing badly in both of its MUs atm.

Does this include GSTL? Or are you only including GSL Sponsor tournaments?

But then off course Zergs are going to ignore that Terran against Zerg is fine and jump on the T OP bandwagon.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
October 13 2011 16:32 GMT
#25
On October 14 2011 01:31 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 01:29 Roxy wrote:
Very Interesting

It is a shame that all of the skilled players chose terran.. wish i could see some protoss innovate new strategies but alas all of the protoss players are scrubs

I guess they just pick terran because it is the hardest race to play and we all know koreans love high APM


this is the kind of reasoning that blows my mind


It's not even reasoning, it's just blind assumption.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Caesarion
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia8332 Posts
October 13 2011 16:33 GMT
#26
On October 14 2011 01:31 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 01:29 Roxy wrote:
Very Interesting

It is a shame that all of the skilled players chose terran.. wish i could see some protoss innovate new strategies but alas all of the protoss players are scrubs

I guess they just pick terran because it is the hardest race to play and we all know koreans love high APM


this is the kind of reasoning that blows my mind


His sig says that he's a masters protoss. It's most likely sarcasm directed at those who seem to think percentage of terrans should affect winrates.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44910 Posts
October 13 2011 16:34 GMT
#27
On October 14 2011 01:29 Roxy wrote:
Very Interesting

It is a shame that all of the skilled players chose terran.. wish i could see some protoss innovate new strategies but alas all of the protoss players are scrubs

I guess they just pick terran because it is the hardest race to play and we all know koreans love high APM


It's a shame that all of the skilled StarCraft units chose to join the Terran race. I wish I could see some Protoss units innovate some new skills and tech, but alas all of the Protoss units are scrubs.

Ah, much better.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
InFi.asc
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany518 Posts
October 13 2011 16:34 GMT
#28
On October 14 2011 01:31 windsupernova wrote:
Just what i was saying. TvZ is fine. P is doing badly in both of its MUs atm.

Does this include GSTL? Or are you only including GSL Sponsor tournaments?

But then off course Zergs are going to ignore that Terran against Zerg is fine and jump on the T OP bandwagon.


No GSTL data is included here. See OP for what's included.
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Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 16:37:16
October 13 2011 16:35 GMT
#29
On October 14 2011 01:24 InFi.asc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 01:23 Alejandrisha wrote:
On October 14 2011 01:22 Fleebu wrote:
Maybe you should also look at the percentage of people in Korea who actually play Protoss...

Oh so you're saying protoss is not as appealing to professional games? I think you're on to something here!


on top of that this is a winning percentage. doesn't matter how many people play a race

Yes it does. Let's say there are 40% terrans, 35% zergs and 25% protoss *players*, there is a higher chance to have more top terrans than top protoss.... Hence a higher win rate percentage for terrans vs protoss since there are more good terrans than good protoss...


Before being flamed, I have to add : YES I do think toss a doing worse for a reason, not ONLY more terrans etc... but it DOES play a role *as well*, mathematically speaking.
NoiR
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
October 13 2011 16:38 GMT
#30
every day new terran domination data pops up, every non terran know, every terran knows, nothing happens. have high doubt that anything will change before the addon :/

as torch once said, terran isn't imba, its just better

or yellows first reaction to terran: a dropship that can heal? what kind of imba unit is this?
InFi.asc
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany518 Posts
October 13 2011 16:39 GMT
#31
On October 14 2011 01:35 Nouar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 01:24 InFi.asc wrote:
On October 14 2011 01:23 Alejandrisha wrote:
On October 14 2011 01:22 Fleebu wrote:
Maybe you should also look at the percentage of people in Korea who actually play Protoss...

Oh so you're saying protoss is not as appealing to professional games? I think you're on to something here!


on top of that this is a winning percentage. doesn't matter how many people play a race

Yes it does. Let's say there are 40% terrans, 35% zergs and 25% protoss *players*, there is a higher chance to have more top terrans than top protoss.... Hence a higher win rate percentage for terrans vs protoss since there are more good terrans than good protoss...


Before being flamed, I have to add : YES I do think toss a doing worse for a reason, not ONLY more terrans etc... but it DOES play a role *as well*, mathematically speaking.


You're right about that but the real numbers are so close the impact should be minimal.

Nevertheless, I stay corrected
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Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
October 13 2011 16:40 GMT
#32
On October 14 2011 01:29 Roxy wrote:
Very Interesting

It is a shame that all of the skilled players chose terran.. wish i could see some protoss innovate new strategies but alas all of the protoss players are scrubs

I guess they just pick terran because it is the hardest race to play and we all know koreans love high APM


Where did you acquire such great logic? Must be your education.
Professional tech investor, part time DotA scrub | Follow @AllMeasures on Twitter
Zic
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada32 Posts
October 13 2011 16:40 GMT
#33
How depressing.
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 16:41:13
October 13 2011 16:41 GMT
#34
Since the sample size is so small, every tournament that is won by MVP/Nestea/MC makes such a big impact on the statistics... hence these statistics show nothing of worth
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
InFi.asc
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany518 Posts
October 13 2011 16:41 GMT
#35
On October 14 2011 01:40 Arcanne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 01:29 Roxy wrote:
Very Interesting

It is a shame that all of the skilled players chose terran.. wish i could see some protoss innovate new strategies but alas all of the protoss players are scrubs

I guess they just pick terran because it is the hardest race to play and we all know koreans love high APM


Where did you acquire such great logic? Must be your education.


Please don't turn this into a flame fest and please consider if someone might be using sarcasm
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CHOMPMannER
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada175 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-13 16:42:16
October 13 2011 16:41 GMT
#36
Why the hell would blizzard care about statistics on non ladder maps?

Maybe if tournaments used proper ladder maps we wouldn't see Protoss losing so much.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
October 13 2011 16:42 GMT
#37
Funny how the only two times Protoss was above 50% at the GSL was when MC won his two GSLs.

R.I.P. MC :'(
R.I.P. Protoss :'((
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
October 13 2011 16:43 GMT
#38
On October 14 2011 01:33 Caesarion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 01:31 Alejandrisha wrote:
On October 14 2011 01:29 Roxy wrote:
Very Interesting

It is a shame that all of the skilled players chose terran.. wish i could see some protoss innovate new strategies but alas all of the protoss players are scrubs

I guess they just pick terran because it is the hardest race to play and we all know koreans love high APM


this is the kind of reasoning that blows my mind


His sig says that he's a masters protoss. It's most likely sarcasm directed at those who seem to think percentage of terrans should affect winrates.


Props to you, good sir
You are the only person that picked up on this
I thought my comment was rather obvious faulty logic, but i guess i'm sneakier than i give myself credit for
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
October 13 2011 16:43 GMT
#39
On October 14 2011 01:41 InFi.asc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 01:40 Arcanne wrote:
On October 14 2011 01:29 Roxy wrote:
Very Interesting

It is a shame that all of the skilled players chose terran.. wish i could see some protoss innovate new strategies but alas all of the protoss players are scrubs

I guess they just pick terran because it is the hardest race to play and we all know koreans love high APM


Where did you acquire such great logic? Must be your education.


Please don't turn this into a flame fest and please consider if someone might be using sarcasm


I'm not being sarcastic. I want to know.
Professional tech investor, part time DotA scrub | Follow @AllMeasures on Twitter
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
October 13 2011 16:43 GMT
#40
On October 14 2011 01:35 Nouar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2011 01:24 InFi.asc wrote:
On October 14 2011 01:23 Alejandrisha wrote:
On October 14 2011 01:22 Fleebu wrote:
Maybe you should also look at the percentage of people in Korea who actually play Protoss...

Oh so you're saying protoss is not as appealing to professional games? I think you're on to something here!


on top of that this is a winning percentage. doesn't matter how many people play a race

Yes it does. Let's say there are 40% terrans, 35% zergs and 25% protoss *players*, there is a higher chance to have more top terrans than top protoss.... Hence a higher win rate percentage for terrans vs protoss since there are more good terrans than good protoss...


Before being flamed, I have to add : YES I do think toss a doing worse for a reason, not ONLY more terrans etc... but it DOES play a role *as well*, mathematically speaking.


I don't follow.... surely there is a higher chance to have more rubbish terrans than rubbish protoss for the same reason? If you assume that each match is against another random person from the pool (it's not, but to model that would be far too complex and a waste of time), and you assume that race and skill are independent, then how could you hope to conclude that more terran means more anything?
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