New Terran Unit in Heart of the Swarm - Page 114

On October 09 2011 10:05 MooLen wrote:
supermule: Uses flames to burn down minerals faster. Mines a patch in 100 secs and is usable in fights ö.ö

On October 08 2011 19:41 grappasc wrote:

okay, I don't know which mushrooms you've been eating. terran has WAY MORE upgrade paths than that.

1) infantry weapons
2) infantry armor
3) vehicle weapons
4) vehicle plating
5) ship weapons
6) ship plating

on top of this you can upgrade your buildings armor and damage
many units have other upgrades too

and production facilities? haven't you ever used command centers? and orbital commands also create a unit no other facility creates. the mule!

dividing them to biological, mechanical and AIRIAL only makes zero sense.

edit: just a hint about buildings. planetary fortresses are pretty freakin' awesome!
PS. you can see a pattern here too, all units and buildings have defensive and offensive upgrades. maybe some upgrades break this pattern, but I could see 2 main categories of units here. you can make offensive infantry and defensive vehicles! maybe even offensive infantry and defensive infantry, but I haven't tested that!

edit2: I meant building range. I'm so stupid!

(edit3: if some soulless lump of fat didn't get it, or if you just don't play starcraft and you just happen to watch this thread and think it's entertaining, which is absolutely fine, because it is pretty hilarious, here's a hint:

you'll find RPG games by clicking multiplayer, join game, and then there's some filters where I think you can choose role playing games, if my memory serves me correctly. there you can find games where you can make "mech" that only consists of land units.)

edit4: nachtwind, misquoting people is pretty bad mannered...

On October 08 2011 20:07 perser84 wrote:



agree with you

t vt = mass marine tank meidvac
tvz= mass marine tank medivac (maybe ghost)
tvP=MMM (ghost viking)

you will never see any other unit combo because they dont fit
you will never see from pro terran that they add tier 3 units into their tank marine or mmm ball


i mean even a reaper that you could built in the barack is not possible to built
why ?
you could have acces to speed uppgrade
and have enough raxes to do so
the reason is simple 40 sec built time

i dont say decrease it because they would got imba in the early game for all in

but the design @sc2 dont allow you to use they proplery like ohter units if you compare them

a marauder need 28 sec to built
so if you built a reaper you could in that time have like 1.5 marauder produced

On October 09 2011 15:03 windsupernova wrote:
Ummm so when is the Zerg unit revealed?

On October 09 2011 14:27 ppdealer wrote:


Typical Terran players with an over-abundant amount of self-entitlement (that includes both you and the poster you're quoting). Just go watch the game between Nestea and GuMiho in the WCG qualifier if you think Terran T3 are useless.

Terrans have never had to explore their T3 because everything else they have are just too good to start with, just like Ghost.

On October 08 2011 07:12 NicolBolas wrote:


As far as multiplayer is concerned, this is not a "Zerg expansion." It's only a Zerg expansion because they're providing a Zerg-based single-player campaign.

Blizzard is not out to counter "counter the claim made by some" guys on a forum. They really don't care. If forumites want to think that Blizzard favors Terran, then they're not going to waste their time convincing you otherwise.



Mech is already viable in 2/3rds of the matchups. Does Mech really need to be the dominant playstyle in all matchups?



Because Blizzard was too frightened to mess with certain "iconic" units. So they designed around them.

You could think of SC1 as a jigsaw puzzle: each piece fits exactly and only with the pieces around it. With SC2, they only took out half of the pieces, then tried to make new pieces that would fit with the remaining ones. It doesn't work very well.

A better approach would have been to dump everything from SC1 wholesale and start over with the most basic mechanics (workers, collecting resources, etc).



Marauders were intended to fix Terran play, by making it multidimensional. The sheer range and firepower of Siege Tanks means that any tank-based strategy where you can effectively defend and protect them will be the dominant Terran playstyle. Essentially, all SC1 Terran play (except TvZ SK-Terran, and even that's considered old-school now) is built around STs. Everything else is some support unit designed to allow the STs to do their job.

And why? Because M&M dies to AoE too easily. It's cheap and high DPS, but easily crushed by any AoE. Which SC1 Terrans and Protoss have a lot of. Zerg have less, which is why SK-Terran actually worked in TvZ. But notice how that's fallen by the wayside in favor of... you guess it: Siege Tanks. Because massed Siege Tanks win against pretty much anything that doesn't have a specific mechanic designed to foil them (ie: Immortals or flying units).

Marauders in SC2 exist to allow Barracks play to actually work. By itself, or in partial tandem with Factory/Starport play. Marauders are a Barracks unit, but they can actually survive. They don't instantly die in the presence of AoE, the way Marines do. While mass Marauders can't assault a fortified Siege Tank line, their high health and ability to pick off units is still strong vs. Protoss. Marauders also can act as meatshields for Marines.

Basically, the Marauder question is this: do you want Terran to actually have some stratigies other than "Build Siege Tanks and stuff that protects Siege Tanks?" I'm sure Artosis would say, "No." Personally, I like "mobile infantry" style Terran play. I enjoyed SK Terran style in SC1 far more than tank pushes.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't have STs (though I wouldn't be against that either). But however "foreign" Marauders are to Terrans, they do give them the ability to actually use Barracks units primarily.

I find it odd how people complain about Terrans using "only Tier 1" units in TvP (despite the fact that Medivacs are not Tier 1). While Protosses and Zerg do incorporate a few high-tech units into their player, what is their army primarily composed of? Zerglings/Banelings/Roaches, or Zealots/Stalkers/Sentries. Yes, they get some Infestors and Colossi in there, but TvP play incorporates Medivacs, Vikings (where needed) and Ghosts (where needed). All higher-tech units.

Hint. (chill) Hint.

On October 09 2011 14:27 ppdealer wrote:


Typical Terran players with an over-abundant amount of self-entitlement (that includes both you and the poster you're quoting). Just go watch the game between Nestea and GuMiho in the WCG qualifier if you think Terran T3 are useless.

Terrans have never had to explore their T3 because everything else they have are just too good to start with, just like Ghost.

On October 09 2011 15:12 usethis2 wrote:
I never understood the hatred toward marauders. No one gives any rational reason other than "They don't feel like a Terran unit". Huh?

On October 09 2011 15:45 nudal wrote:
It will be something that shoots ice and freezes STUFF i bet !

On October 09 2011 16:09 valheru wrote:
I still can't believe that the hellion transformer got so many votes.
I think it will be a bio unit. I don't really think it looks like a mech unit and certainly not a flying unit. It MAY be a mech unit but I don't think that's likely given there is already a humanoid mech unit (thor) but I may be wrong.