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Hoon
Brazil891 Posts
On October 09 2011 10:05 MooLen wrote: supermule: Uses flames to burn down minerals faster. Mines a patch in 100 secs and is usable in fights ö.ö Why would you burn down mineral patches in fights? ö_ö | ||
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exShikari
Australia237 Posts
On October 08 2011 19:41 grappasc wrote: okay, I don't know which mushrooms you've been eating. terran has WAY MORE upgrade paths than that. 1) infantry weapons 2) infantry armor 3) vehicle weapons 4) vehicle plating 5) ship weapons 6) ship plating on top of this you can upgrade your buildings armor and damage many units have other upgrades too and production facilities? haven't you ever used command centers? and orbital commands also create a unit no other facility creates. the mule! dividing them to biological, mechanical and AIRIAL only makes zero sense. edit: just a hint about buildings. planetary fortresses are pretty freakin' awesome! PS. you can see a pattern here too, all units and buildings have defensive and offensive upgrades. maybe some upgrades break this pattern, but I could see 2 main categories of units here. you can make offensive infantry and defensive vehicles! maybe even offensive infantry and defensive infantry, but I haven't tested that! edit2: I meant building range. I'm so stupid! (edit3: if some soulless lump of fat didn't get it, or if you just don't play starcraft and you just happen to watch this thread and think it's entertaining, which is absolutely fine, because it is pretty hilarious, here's a hint: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ck0v7.jpg) you'll find RPG games by clicking multiplayer, join game, and then there's some filters where I think you can choose role playing games, if my memory serves me correctly. there you can find games where you can make "mech" that only consists of land units.) edit4: nachtwind, misquoting people is pretty bad mannered... Your understanding of Terran seems pretty flawed. They have mech, bio, air (as an aside it's not airial, it's aerial). Weapons and armour aren't separate upgrade paths, infantry and vehicle are though. Which leads me to this, T have infantry, vehicle and ship upgrades. P have ground, air and shield upgrades. Same number of upgrades, go figure. Production facilities are building that produce army units. So no an orbital is not considered a unit producing structure. | ||
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ppdealer
Canada161 Posts
On October 08 2011 20:07 perser84 wrote: agree with you t vt = mass marine tank meidvac tvz= mass marine tank medivac (maybe ghost) tvP=MMM (ghost viking) you will never see any other unit combo because they dont fit you will never see from pro terran that they add tier 3 units into their tank marine or mmm ball i mean even a reaper that you could built in the barack is not possible to built why ? you could have acces to speed uppgrade and have enough raxes to do so the reason is simple 40 sec built time i dont say decrease it because they would got imba in the early game for all in but the design @sc2 dont allow you to use they proplery like ohter units if you compare them a marauder need 28 sec to built so if you built a reaper you could in that time have like 1.5 marauder produced Typical Terran players with an over-abundant amount of self-entitlement (that includes both you and the poster you're quoting). Just go watch the game between Nestea and GuMiho in the WCG qualifier if you think Terran T3 are useless. Terrans have never had to explore their T3 because everything else they have are just too good to start with, just like Ghost. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
On October 09 2011 15:03 windsupernova wrote: Ummm so when is the Zerg unit revealed? The tenth according to sclegacy. | ||
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ZorBa.G
Australia279 Posts
On October 09 2011 14:27 ppdealer wrote: Typical Terran players with an over-abundant amount of self-entitlement (that includes both you and the poster you're quoting). Just go watch the game between Nestea and GuMiho in the WCG qualifier if you think Terran T3 are useless. Terrans have never had to explore their T3 because everything else they have are just too good to start with, just like Ghost. Yeah it would be awesome if we could mass marines in about a minute flat and morph the whole lot into banelings...... oh yeah, we can also Warp in our Marines. Seriously, GTFO. | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
On October 08 2011 07:12 NicolBolas wrote: As far as multiplayer is concerned, this is not a "Zerg expansion." It's only a Zerg expansion because they're providing a Zerg-based single-player campaign. Blizzard is not out to counter "counter the claim made by some" guys on a forum. They really don't care. If forumites want to think that Blizzard favors Terran, then they're not going to waste their time convincing you otherwise. Mech is already viable in 2/3rds of the matchups. Does Mech really need to be the dominant playstyle in all matchups? Because Blizzard was too frightened to mess with certain "iconic" units. So they designed around them. You could think of SC1 as a jigsaw puzzle: each piece fits exactly and only with the pieces around it. With SC2, they only took out half of the pieces, then tried to make new pieces that would fit with the remaining ones. It doesn't work very well. A better approach would have been to dump everything from SC1 wholesale and start over with the most basic mechanics (workers, collecting resources, etc). Marauders were intended to fix Terran play, by making it multidimensional. The sheer range and firepower of Siege Tanks means that any tank-based strategy where you can effectively defend and protect them will be the dominant Terran playstyle. Essentially, all SC1 Terran play (except TvZ SK-Terran, and even that's considered old-school now) is built around STs. Everything else is some support unit designed to allow the STs to do their job. And why? Because M&M dies to AoE too easily. It's cheap and high DPS, but easily crushed by any AoE. Which SC1 Terrans and Protoss have a lot of. Zerg have less, which is why SK-Terran actually worked in TvZ. But notice how that's fallen by the wayside in favor of... you guess it: Siege Tanks. Because massed Siege Tanks win against pretty much anything that doesn't have a specific mechanic designed to foil them (ie: Immortals or flying units). Marauders in SC2 exist to allow Barracks play to actually work. By itself, or in partial tandem with Factory/Starport play. Marauders are a Barracks unit, but they can actually survive. They don't instantly die in the presence of AoE, the way Marines do. While mass Marauders can't assault a fortified Siege Tank line, their high health and ability to pick off units is still strong vs. Protoss. Marauders also can act as meatshields for Marines. Basically, the Marauder question is this: do you want Terran to actually have some stratigies other than "Build Siege Tanks and stuff that protects Siege Tanks?" I'm sure Artosis would say, "No." Personally, I like "mobile infantry" style Terran play. I enjoyed SK Terran style in SC1 far more than tank pushes. I'm not saying that we shouldn't have STs (though I wouldn't be against that either). But however "foreign" Marauders are to Terrans, they do give them the ability to actually use Barracks units primarily. I find it odd how people complain about Terrans using "only Tier 1" units in TvP (despite the fact that Medivacs are not Tier 1). While Protosses and Zerg do incorporate a few high-tech units into their player, what is their army primarily composed of? Zerglings/Banelings/Roaches, or Zealots/Stalkers/Sentries. Yes, they get some Infestors and Colossi in there, but TvP play incorporates Medivacs, Vikings (where needed) and Ghosts (where needed). All higher-tech units. I kind of agree. I never understood the hatred toward marauders. No one gives any rational reason other than "They don't feel like a Terran unit". Huh? I think people need to get over the BW nostalgia. This is year 2011, not 2000 when personal computers were luxury. Now PC is a dying breed (I watch most of the GSL games on my iPad, in bed/couch/bathroom, etc.) and no one has time for a single game that lasts 30 minutes without much happening. That's why games like Age of Empires (it was a glorious franchise at its time) will no longer be out but games like WC3 or WoW/LoL do. Blizzard also stated that they would expect every match last avg. 15 mins or so - which would be a perfect length to fit commercials in between if the game really becomes mainstream. Mech TvT is great once in a while (Heck, even once every other game would be tolerable) but it becomes ridiculous tedious for viewers while players build up and draw tank lines staring at each other. I have always maintained that the problem is marines, not marauders. There is something wrong with marines along with Mules that make Terran's resource management way different from the other two races, and tweaks needs to be applied to marines. I wouldn't even mind buffed marauders as long as cost reflected the buffs. Edit: Oh I remember one criticism other than marauders don't feel like Terran units - That Bio play is gimmicky and relies on opponent's mistakes. Well, then think for a second what TvZ is all about. Heck, think of what Zerg is all about. The whole Zerg race and its strategies are gimmicks? | ||
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nudal
Romania10 Posts
Hint. (chill) Hint. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10290 Posts
On October 09 2011 14:27 ppdealer wrote: Typical Terran players with an over-abundant amount of self-entitlement (that includes both you and the poster you're quoting). Just go watch the game between Nestea and GuMiho in the WCG qualifier if you think Terran T3 are useless. Terrans have never had to explore their T3 because everything else they have are just too good to start with, just like Ghost. Thors are pretty much Tier 3. Not like tiers even make sense when you compare them cross race like that, anyway. But the idea is that Terran does use very high tech units (Thor, after that would be Battle Cruisers). | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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grappasc
Belgium86 Posts
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Ucs
264 Posts
 and I miss the old days when T could just run by in zerg base and get free win. Maybe those days are coming back! Tranform into hellion cliff jumper,jump in zerg base, then de-transform, hellion in base then do your worst on the mineral line!And now as i disengage troll mode I will wait for the zergs to complain about the possibility that they will actually do this, since Browder and Kim "obviously" hate zerg. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On October 09 2011 15:12 usethis2 wrote: I never understood the hatred toward marauders. No one gives any rational reason other than "They don't feel like a Terran unit". Huh? Not that hard to understand. Same approximate strength and cost as a stalker, about same range, same size, etc. How is that irrational? Racial diversity is more important for spectating excitement than having bio viable in TvT. That means we can't all have a tier 1 tank unit like the dragoon. Sorry. | ||
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
I think it will be a bio unit. I don't really think it looks like a mech unit and certainly not a flying unit. It MAY be a mech unit but I don't think that's likely given there is already a humanoid mech unit (thor) but I may be wrong. | ||
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Cobrakessen
Canada12 Posts
On October 09 2011 15:45 nudal wrote: It will be something that shoots ice and freezes STUFF i bet ! The last thing I want to see is any more units or spells that disable the ability to control your unit. Most there are enough people out there of all SC races that believe fungal should be a slow and damage not stop. It makes the game uninteresting. FF can be/is just as bad but grumblingly its how the protoss race gets through the early game. Although MC using his amazing force feilds while entertaining by his usage at first, became out cries of imbalance, unfair and bad game design even if necessary, which in the end becomes again uninteresting and frustrating to play against and to watch. Id hope more from blizzard then to go against the communities outcries and stop a players ability to control their own units in new ways in the new expansion. Then again TvT could turn into blue flame helions against the new terran fireman unit to nullify the flames. Edit: afterthought - I kinda hoped to see diamond backs make it into multiplayer in some form or another to make mech more playable. Being in sync with the hellion in mobility to make for flexible mech rather then slow and brooding push of death while your base gets raped since you cant move around deal with harass. That really just something I would have liked to see so bio isnt the only option to be mobile. How to implement it I wouldn't want to be in charge of that, definitely not qualified. Id break the game =) | ||
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grappasc
Belgium86 Posts
On October 09 2011 16:09 valheru wrote: I still can't believe that the hellion transformer got so many votes. I think it will be a bio unit. I don't really think it looks like a mech unit and certainly not a flying unit. It MAY be a mech unit but I don't think that's likely given there is already a humanoid mech unit (thor) but I may be wrong. amen to that, but I'm guessing it's because the thread starter included a picture of a transformer in the OP. it becomes the first impression for everyone and since the transformer would be pretty exciting, people hold on to it. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6590 Posts
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usethis2
2164 Posts
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Callynn
Netherlands917 Posts
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
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