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PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
September 28 2011 17:06 GMT
#41
There is racial diversity in Code A and the games are really good....
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
adalcim
Profile Joined August 2009
Germany166 Posts
September 28 2011 17:06 GMT
#42
I bought every individual league since the beginning including AoL. I also bought the ticket for October, but if after the U&D-matches we still have lots of Terrans and we will not have a Protoss champion or finalist this season in Code S, I think I will not buy a ticket again. Then I will wait until the format changes or we have a better race distribution in the first round.
I am sick of too much TvTs. I play protoss and I think it is normal that you prefer to watch your own race, but that was not often the case the last months.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 28 2011 17:08 GMT
#43
Code S lacks race diversity, but all days have been good (except yesterday that was I think the worst GSL day of games ever ?). But code A is too awesome this season to be missed.
thane
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States407 Posts
September 28 2011 17:09 GMT
#44
I almost didn't buy it because of this but I did buy it. This was the first season I bought ever. Also I'm sure someone pointed out that you get code A and and the up and downs so you will get to watch other match ups and a very very high level. I'm hoping to learn some new Zerg skillz :D
Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
September 28 2011 17:11 GMT
#45
LoL, I guess I kinda agree with the whole racial uniformity thing. But at the same time.. It is nice to see the TvT match up, and how exactly to get to the late game. And then how the late game is handled by professionals.
ponyo.848
BigLighthouse
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom424 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 17:12:52
September 28 2011 17:11 GMT
#46
I didnt buy this season because I've been watching too much starcraft this summer and uni is coming back around in a weeks time, plus I was on a holiday away for the first week of the season. Plus the fact that im not at a level where I can really distinguish between a close exciting game between 2 very good players and a close exciting game between 2 very good but korean refined players, I just dont pay attention to THAT level. Because of that GSL is a financially foolish option because I can get better quality streams with equivalently skilled casters of a wider variety from countless other events at a better time of day for myself, not to mention free vods. I now follow a wider amount of competitions with my time and see a higher amount of my personal favourite players and that just gives me more satisfaction that watching GSL. Racial diversity wasnt a huge factor in the decision but I guess maybe it added to a growing sense of tedium with the gsl season that overall takes quite a long time to get through. Crucify me i guess.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5224 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 17:19:02
September 28 2011 17:11 GMT
#47
I've bought 3 tickets in the past and I've skipped the last few due to NASL Season 1 and the fact that I can't stand there being so many Terrans in Code S, and the Terrans dominating Code A (12 Protoss in Ro32, 4 in Ro16, 8 Terrans in Ro32, 5 in Ro16. Oz and Sage only had to go through 1 Terran to reach the Ro4.) I think Polt put it best when he said a lot Terrans were in Code S simply because they played Terran. GOM can't do anything about it though Blizzard really needs to work on the balance of this game, I feel bad for SC2 as an esport if this continues, and in my opinion, all signs point to it continuning.

I did buy an MLG Gold Membership, which I think is literally worth its weight in Gold for a one year pass to the HD Stream and VODs. I think I will skip NASL Season 2, since the HD stream lagged so bad in Season 1, and didn't perform well for me for the first week in Season 2 if I remember correctly.
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 22:21:57
September 28 2011 17:14 GMT
#48
I did not, but mostly it is because of school. Watching 5 hours of Code A in one day is not possible for me. The lack of protoss/zerg is only the icing on the cake.

I did pay for Arena of Legends though.

EDIT: TvT is also my favorite mirror match up, I don't know why noobs are always complaining about a mirror match just because it can actually last longer than 10 minutes.
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
September 28 2011 17:14 GMT
#49
On September 29 2011 02:06 Za7oX wrote:
There is racial diversity in Code A and the games are really good....


exactly ... I didnt even vote... there is tons of protoss and zergs and good games this season I dont even think I have seen 1 TvT in code A

this poll is completely 100% awful

there is no option for anything except saying there are only TvTs which isn't true
DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
September 28 2011 17:14 GMT
#50
I bought it because of the foreigners and the early code a times. I hope they do more code s at 9 pst.
http://grooveshark.com/#/deltrus/music
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 17:16:39
September 28 2011 17:16 GMT
#51
I bought the Oct GSL and even though some of groups ended up being lackluster, looking at the quality of the Ro16 and potential Ro8 matches, I believe it will be totally worth it.

MVP- Bomber, Clide-Ryung, DRG-Supernova, Ganzi-Leenock are all great matchups. Happy-Losira will also be probably entertaining.
Coca-Killer, MMA-asd, Nestea-Virus are probably going to be one-sided ones.

The potential Ro8 lineup this season seems great as well
MVP-Nestea or Bomber-Nestea
Losira-Coca
DRG-Leenock or DRG-Ganzi
Ryung-MMA (Clide will go in Ro16 as always)
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 17:18:05
September 28 2011 17:16 GMT
#52
I wouldn't buy a pass anyway but i would love to support the eSports i watch, unfortunately not an option. Anyway getting onto my point, it annoys me a lot that it's mainly a Korean product, with things like k-pop groups that must cost a lot of money. And there's big sponsors like Pepsi and LG right too so money shouldn't be an issue (Blizzard in too i assume?) I don't feel like the foreigner money is going in the interests of eSports. Like where's the Korean revenue stream to pay for stuff like k-pop groups which is entirely their interest?

Plus GOM player gets massive exposure too, and it even uses your bandwidth to peer2peer to other watchers so their bandwidth cost is less. So the product to the national fans is only including mainly Tasteless/Artosis wages as any extra i guess. I feel like it's just kinda lame when we are used to free streams and that business model worked fine, not to mention this is heavily involved by Blizzard and basically one constant publicity drive for their product in the first place. If the money just paid for the casters that would be cool but who knows really, just pisses me off to see money going for useless crap instead of the people that need it, the players!!

I really want a way to get money to teams basically, maybe buy stuff like shirts or whatever. I feel thats supporting in the correct way. I understand paying for HD VODs i guess but less than that? Everyone involved (Blizz, Sponsors and Gretech) is benefiting enough easily to be a bit more generous and possibly help long term growth at the same time.

Sorry bit ranting there. But i just feel like it's not actually helping who i think needs help in this scene?
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
September 28 2011 17:18 GMT
#53
I didn't, I wish they would sell code A separately for cheaper price cuz code A is funnier anyway.
Talho
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium592 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 17:23:12
September 28 2011 17:20 GMT
#54
I bought one, but not watching any TvT's this season or last season except for Ro4.
If its even worse next season I might just not buy one. And this is coming from someone who bought every ticket so far (I had AoL for free)

On September 29 2011 02:16 infinity2k9 wrote:
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I wouldn't buy a pass anyway but i would love to support the eSports i watch, unfortunately not an option. Anyway getting onto my point, it annoys me a lot that it's mainly a Korean product, with things like k-pop groups that must cost a lot of money. And there's big sponsors like Pepsi and LG right too so money shouldn't be an issue (Blizzard in too i assume?) I don't feel like the foreigner money is going in the interests of eSports. Like where's the Korean revenue stream to pay for stuff like k-pop groups which is entirely their interest?

Plus GOM player gets massive exposure too, and it even uses your bandwidth to peer2peer to other watchers so their bandwidth cost is less. So the product to the national fans is only including mainly Tasteless/Artosis wages as any extra i guess. I feel like it's just kinda lame when we are used to free streams and that business model worked fine, not to mention this is heavily involved by Blizzard and basically one constant publicity drive for their product in the first place. If the money just paid for the casters that would be cool but who knows really, just pisses me off to see money going for useless crap instead of the people that need it, the players!!

I really want a way to get money to teams basically, maybe buy stuff like shirts or whatever. I feel thats supporting in the correct way. I understand paying for HD VODs i guess but less than that? Everyone involved (Blizz, Sponsors and Gretech) is benefiting enough easily to be a bit more generous and possibly help long term growth at the same time.

Sorry bit ranting there. But i just feel like it's not actually helping who i think needs help in this scene?


Gom player P2P ? not true afaik, my up/dl meter is always running and I never see its uploading
bucckevin
Profile Joined April 2011
858 Posts
September 28 2011 17:21 GMT
#55
So you didn't buy because you want to hurt GOM's pocket for having too many TvT when GOM can't really do anything about it. Is it GOM's fault that the top players chose Terran as their race? They've already modified maps to not have close positions, put depots at the bottom of ramps, removed/added new maps. What else do you want them to do, just randomly boot the terran players from code S and add more Z and P?

I can understand if you're just too cheap to pay or just don't want to watch too many TvT but don't try to blame GOM for it. That's what I see you trying to do.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-28 17:24:16
September 28 2011 17:23 GMT
#56
On September 29 2011 02:16 infinity2k9 wrote:
I wouldn't buy a pass anyway but i would love to support the eSports i watch, unfortunately not an option. Anyway getting onto my point, it annoys me a lot that it's mainly a Korean product, with things like k-pop groups that must cost a lot of money. And there's big sponsors like Pepsi and LG right too so money shouldn't be an issue (Blizzard in too i assume?) I don't feel like the foreigner money is going in the interests of eSports. Like where's the Korean revenue stream to pay for stuff like k-pop groups which is entirely their interest?

Plus GOM player gets massive exposure too, and it even uses your bandwidth to peer2peer to other watchers so their bandwidth cost is less. So the product to the national fans is only including mainly Tasteless/Artosis wages as any extra i guess. I feel like it's just kinda lame when we are used to free streams and that business model worked fine, not to mention this is heavily involved by Blizzard and basically one constant publicity drive for their product in the first place. If the money just paid for the casters that would be cool but who knows really, just pisses me off to see money going for useless crap instead of the people that need it, the players!!

I really want a way to get money to teams basically, maybe buy stuff like shirts or whatever. I feel thats supporting in the correct way. I understand paying for HD VODs i guess but less than that? Everyone involved (Blizz, Sponsors and Gretech) is benefiting enough easily to be a bit more generous and possibly help long term growth at the same time.

Sorry bit ranting there. But i just feel like it's not actually helping who i think needs help in this scene?

They're basically giving a salary to the players, even those who lose the first round. They're giving nearly 2M$ (yeah, 2 millions dollars) a year to players....I don't understand why you say what you say.
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
September 28 2011 17:24 GMT
#57
I didn't buy because I still haven't watched any of the games I bought from last season and 80% of the games from the season before that.

There's just too many tournaments and not enough buildup for each one. If instead of every month, what if they had a GSL every 3-4 months? It would allow us time to build up story and hype. Up the prizes, drag it out, make all series a best of 5 or more, play a round 32 man round robin season or something. Some of us don't have the time to follow all of it anymore.
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
September 28 2011 17:25 GMT
#58
I bought it mostly for Code A and SangHo! I either watch the GSL to learn Protoss builds and strats or just to listen to Tastosis being Tastosis. But I have been skipping TvT's this season.
http://www.starcraftdream.com
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
September 28 2011 17:25 GMT
#59
On September 29 2011 02:21 bucckevin wrote:
So you didn't buy because you want to hurt GOM's pocket for having too many TvT when GOM can't really do anything about it. Is it GOM's fault that the top players chose Terran as their race? They've already modified maps to not have close positions, put depots at the bottom of ramps, removed/added new maps. What else do you want them to do, just randomly boot the terran players from code S and add more Z and P?

I can understand if you're just too cheap to pay or just don't want to watch too many TvT but don't try to blame GOM for it. That's what I see you trying to do.


Uhhhh this assumes he MUST buy GOM in the first place? How the hell do you manage to come up with this attitude. They sell a product, if you don't think it's entertaining then don't buy it. TvT isn't their fault but it is less entertaining when it's prevalent, so sorry but that means people won't buy the product.
Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
September 28 2011 17:26 GMT
#60
Anyone else think GOM should take additional steps to alleviate this problem? Just for example setting up brackets with terran knocking other terran out or against zerg who are specifically good against terran, there is also maps they could change, to make them more unfavorable to terran.
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