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lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
December 09 2011 10:12 GMT
#1021
He has gone 17-7 in his last 24 games, that's 71% win ratio with a very high MMR.
I'll call Nada.
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 10:38:40
December 09 2011 10:33 GMT
#1022
On December 09 2011 02:06 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 21:09 bgx wrote:
On December 08 2011 18:23 WArped wrote:
As far as I know, nobody uses Stephanos technique. Adding the hatchery eggs that he uses to reinforce his army to his hotkeys, frees up apm to multitask and spread creep, macro etc. It's an amazing technique to be honest and not many pro Zergs have quite caught on to it. Of course every player is different and are comfortable using different ways of playing but I think Steph's technique has helped him somewhat. It also helps that his decision making is impeccable too.

dimaga uses it, afair sen also, but dimaga almost always uses it since release so no, hes not only one using it, i use it also but it slows your macro, its helpfull for aggresive play but slows your unit production because you have to ctrl click on eggs and than shift, which takes 0.5-1 sec.

it slows your macro because you cannot reselect your hatcheries before you shift add eggs, and after you shift add your eggs you have to select your hatcheries again, which results in slower macro, both methods have its uses

Hmm, when you build units they all stay selected. Then you just need to Shift+number of your army to add them.

If you build drones+units then you got a problem (or if you build different types of units that you don't want on same groupkey).

What if you still had larvaes not being morphed (ie : not enough money, or supplies) ? That's right, they're saved to ur units aswell... And when those said larves were being morphed to overlords, you wouldn't want to bring them along with ur main army, or worse with your mutas right ?
This is the reason why we use ctrl click.
Edit : on 2nd thought, you may not use a hotkey for selecting all ur hatchs, this way you may have to be less reliant on using ctrl click ?
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
December 09 2011 10:52 GMT
#1023
On December 09 2011 19:33 RaiZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 02:06 -Archangel- wrote:
On December 08 2011 21:09 bgx wrote:
On December 08 2011 18:23 WArped wrote:
As far as I know, nobody uses Stephanos technique. Adding the hatchery eggs that he uses to reinforce his army to his hotkeys, frees up apm to multitask and spread creep, macro etc. It's an amazing technique to be honest and not many pro Zergs have quite caught on to it. Of course every player is different and are comfortable using different ways of playing but I think Steph's technique has helped him somewhat. It also helps that his decision making is impeccable too.

dimaga uses it, afair sen also, but dimaga almost always uses it since release so no, hes not only one using it, i use it also but it slows your macro, its helpfull for aggresive play but slows your unit production because you have to ctrl click on eggs and than shift, which takes 0.5-1 sec.

it slows your macro because you cannot reselect your hatcheries before you shift add eggs, and after you shift add your eggs you have to select your hatcheries again, which results in slower macro, both methods have its uses

Hmm, when you build units they all stay selected. Then you just need to Shift+number of your army to add them.

If you build drones+units then you got a problem (or if you build different types of units that you don't want on same groupkey).

What if you still had larvaes not being morphed (ie : not enough money, or supplies) ? That's right, they're saved to ur units aswell... And when those said larves were being morphed to overlords, you wouldn't want to bring them along with ur main army, or worse with your mutas right ?
This is the reason why we use ctrl click.
Edit : on 2nd thought, you may not use a hotkey for selecting all ur hatchs, this way you may have to be less reliant on using ctrl click ?


I don't play Zerg so I'm not paying that much attention, but I'm almost positive he often shift-clicks larva out of the group before adding them to the control group.
Saying that something is killing esports is killing esports.
Zzzapper
Profile Joined September 2011
1793 Posts
December 09 2011 11:08 GMT
#1024
On December 09 2011 19:52 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 19:33 RaiZ wrote:
On December 09 2011 02:06 -Archangel- wrote:
On December 08 2011 21:09 bgx wrote:
On December 08 2011 18:23 WArped wrote:
As far as I know, nobody uses Stephanos technique. Adding the hatchery eggs that he uses to reinforce his army to his hotkeys, frees up apm to multitask and spread creep, macro etc. It's an amazing technique to be honest and not many pro Zergs have quite caught on to it. Of course every player is different and are comfortable using different ways of playing but I think Steph's technique has helped him somewhat. It also helps that his decision making is impeccable too.

dimaga uses it, afair sen also, but dimaga almost always uses it since release so no, hes not only one using it, i use it also but it slows your macro, its helpfull for aggresive play but slows your unit production because you have to ctrl click on eggs and than shift, which takes 0.5-1 sec.

it slows your macro because you cannot reselect your hatcheries before you shift add eggs, and after you shift add your eggs you have to select your hatcheries again, which results in slower macro, both methods have its uses

Hmm, when you build units they all stay selected. Then you just need to Shift+number of your army to add them.

If you build drones+units then you got a problem (or if you build different types of units that you don't want on same groupkey).

What if you still had larvaes not being morphed (ie : not enough money, or supplies) ? That's right, they're saved to ur units aswell... And when those said larves were being morphed to overlords, you wouldn't want to bring them along with ur main army, or worse with your mutas right ?
This is the reason why we use ctrl click.
Edit : on 2nd thought, you may not use a hotkey for selecting all ur hatchs, this way you may have to be less reliant on using ctrl click ?


I don't play Zerg so I'm not paying that much attention, but I'm almost positive he often shift-clicks larva out of the group before adding them to the control group.


He's probably ctrl-clicking the eggs. That way you only have to click once instead of shift-clicking 10 larvae.
RuneZerg
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark90 Posts
December 09 2011 11:11 GMT
#1025
either that or you can ctrl-shift click the larva with will deselect all larva
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
December 09 2011 11:30 GMT
#1026
On December 09 2011 20:11 RuneZerg wrote:
either that or you can ctrl-shift click the larva with will deselect all larva

Not only ctrl-shift is more complicated than control, but clicking on the larva is an issue when you have more than 24 eggs, it requires you additionnal clicks.
zerker2strong
Profile Joined May 2011
775 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 16:22:16
December 09 2011 16:14 GMT
#1027
LIVE NOW !

such good multitasking
arQ
Profile Joined October 2010
1033 Posts
December 09 2011 16:46 GMT
#1028
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-)
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." -Carl Sagan || Flash || Mvp || Naniwa ||
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
December 09 2011 16:48 GMT
#1029
On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-)

who went full mech....sigh people these days
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
December 09 2011 16:48 GMT
#1030
hey what about ostojiy
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 16:49:17
December 09 2011 16:49 GMT
#1031
On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-)

He almost lost that game. It was a very good and very close game.
Uridium
Profile Joined September 2010
United States86 Posts
December 09 2011 16:49 GMT
#1032
On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-)


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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 09 2011 16:50 GMT
#1033
On December 10 2011 01:48 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-)

who went full mech....sigh people these days

Actually he tried his build that he uses on all Zergs on ladder but Stephano defended perfectly and crushed him.
JohnMatrix
Profile Joined April 2011
France1357 Posts
December 09 2011 16:52 GMT
#1034
On December 10 2011 01:48 Silidons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-)

who went full mech....sigh people these days


MVP ? 3 times Gsl Champion ?
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 09 2011 16:53 GMT
#1035
On December 10 2011 01:49 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-)

He almost lost that game. It was a very good and very close game.




Insane good game. The skillevel from btoh of those players are so high. I was so impressed by Forgg multitasking and I was so impressed by Stephano multitasking was one of the best TvZ i seen i seriously got nerdchills watching that game
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
December 09 2011 16:53 GMT
#1036
On December 10 2011 01:50 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 01:48 Silidons wrote:
On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-)

who went full mech....sigh people these days

Actually he tried his build that he uses on all Zergs on ladder but Stephano defended perfectly and crushed him.

I heard he beat Idra 5 times with that build. Must be pretty strong.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
Sporadic44
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States533 Posts
December 09 2011 16:54 GMT
#1037
The kid does not stop. Anyone else notice idra never has anything nice to say about stephanos recent success? its always the standard "he wont keep winning using that style, flash in the pan, koreans havent adapted to it", etc. Showing signs of fear he may lose the loosely given(fair argument), "best foreign zerg" title?
"Opportunities multiply as they are seized."
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
December 09 2011 16:55 GMT
#1038
+ Show Spoiler +
On December 09 2011 19:33 RaiZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 02:06 -Archangel- wrote:
On December 08 2011 21:09 bgx wrote:
On December 08 2011 18:23 WArped wrote:
As far as I know, nobody uses Stephanos technique. Adding the hatchery eggs that he uses to reinforce his army to his hotkeys, frees up apm to multitask and spread creep, macro etc. It's an amazing technique to be honest and not many pro Zergs have quite caught on to it. Of course every player is different and are comfortable using different ways of playing but I think Steph's technique has helped him somewhat. It also helps that his decision making is impeccable too.

dimaga uses it, afair sen also, but dimaga almost always uses it since release so no, hes not only one using it, i use it also but it slows your macro, its helpfull for aggresive play but slows your unit production because you have to ctrl click on eggs and than shift, which takes 0.5-1 sec.

it slows your macro because you cannot reselect your hatcheries before you shift add eggs, and after you shift add your eggs you have to select your hatcheries again, which results in slower macro, both methods have its uses

Hmm, when you build units they all stay selected. Then you just need to Shift+number of your army to add them.

If you build drones+units then you got a problem (or if you build different types of units that you don't want on same groupkey).

What if you still had larvaes not being morphed (ie : not enough money, or supplies) ? That's right, they're saved to ur units aswell... And when those said larves were being morphed to overlords, you wouldn't want to bring them along with ur main army, or worse with your mutas right ?
This is the reason why we use ctrl click.
Edit : on 2nd thought, you may not use a hotkey for selecting all ur hatchs, this way you may have to be less reliant on using ctrl click ?



It's more a situational thing, sometimes you don't have the time to ctrl click + shift & select control group (even though at their level of play it's probably not as much a problem).
The huge advantage is that you can send your not hatched yet units directly to where you want at all times, and you can a-click so that they attack in the direction you specified as soon as they come out of the eggs.
Obviously never do that with your mutas if you are already attacking with your existing ones^^
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 09 2011 16:55 GMT
#1039
On December 10 2011 01:54 Sporadic44 wrote:
The kid does not stop. Anyone else notice idra never has anything nice to say about stephanos recent success? its always the standard "he wont keep winning using that style, flash in the pan, koreans havent adapted to it", etc. Showing signs of fear he may lose the loosely given(fair argument), "best foreign zerg" title?


He lost it long time ago when Stephano won IPL 3 and ESWC
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12794 Posts
December 09 2011 16:56 GMT
#1040
On December 10 2011 01:53 iamke55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 01:50 -Archangel- wrote:
On December 10 2011 01:48 Silidons wrote:
On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-)

who went full mech....sigh people these days

Actually he tried his build that he uses on all Zergs on ladder but Stephano defended perfectly and crushed him.

I heard he beat Idra 5 times with that build. Must be pretty strong.

When did fOrGG play against IdrA?
WriterMaru
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