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On December 10 2011 01:53 iamke55 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:50 -Archangel- wrote:On December 10 2011 01:48 Silidons wrote:On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-) who went full mech....sigh people these days Actually he tried his build that he uses on all Zergs on ladder but Stephano defended perfectly and crushed him. I heard he beat Idra 5 times with that build. Must be pretty strong.
I think only cezanne and stephano managed to hold off this build on stream today. I must say stephano's mass queen style is indeed the counter to this and fOrGG seems to have experience playing against mainly muta users which explains how he owned idra so badly.
Proxying 2 rax against Idra helps too.
This build seems weak if you know its coming though.
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On December 10 2011 01:53 iamke55 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:50 -Archangel- wrote:On December 10 2011 01:48 Silidons wrote:On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-) who went full mech....sigh people these days Actually he tried his build that he uses on all Zergs on ladder but Stephano defended perfectly and crushed him. I heard he beat Idra 5 times with that build. Must be pretty strong.
Reactor hellions, cloaked banshees, expand. Then a blueflame follow up into hellion/thor push with scv's.
It's just got a lot of points in time where it can do damage, but obviously relies on doing damage to not be behind.
Whoever he played before Stephano beat it even more handily tbh and that was just standard ling/muta.
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On December 10 2011 01:53 iamke55 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:50 -Archangel- wrote:On December 10 2011 01:48 Silidons wrote:On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-) who went full mech....sigh people these days Actually he tried his build that he uses on all Zergs on ladder but Stephano defended perfectly and crushed him. I heard he beat Idra 5 times with that build. Must be pretty strong.
It was not that build, it was a thor timing after an effective hellion/banshee harass.
ForGG that game did the "imaekthor" build after his harass failed and lost his whole army to mass lings (after letting all his hellions get fungaled btw)
The game was over when his harass did no damage, because Stephano can metagame him every time because he does the same hellion shit every game.
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On December 10 2011 01:56 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:53 iamke55 wrote:On December 10 2011 01:50 -Archangel- wrote:On December 10 2011 01:48 Silidons wrote:On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-) who went full mech....sigh people these days Actually he tried his build that he uses on all Zergs on ladder but Stephano defended perfectly and crushed him. I heard he beat Idra 5 times with that build. Must be pretty strong. I think only cezanne and stephano managed to hold off this build on stream today. I must say stephano's mass queen style is indeed the counter to this and fOrGG seems to have experience playing against mainly muta users which explains how he owned idra so badly. Proxying 2 rax against Idra helps too. This build seems weak if you know its coming though.
DRG stopped it too.
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On December 10 2011 01:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:53 iamke55 wrote:On December 10 2011 01:50 -Archangel- wrote:On December 10 2011 01:48 Silidons wrote:On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-) who went full mech....sigh people these days Actually he tried his build that he uses on all Zergs on ladder but Stephano defended perfectly and crushed him. I heard he beat Idra 5 times with that build. Must be pretty strong. It was not that build, it was a thor timing after an effective hellion harass. ForGG that game did the "imaekthor" build and lost his whole army to mass lings (after letting all his hellions get fungaled btw) The game was over when his harass did no damage, because Stephano can metagame him every time because he does the same hellion shit every game.
When his harass did no damage? I was watching both streams and he did a ton of damage, and he was ahead by like 30 supply (with a mech army) for a long time before stephano got ultras. If he decided to attack sooner rather than keep harassing stephano would have lost.
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On December 10 2011 01:54 Sporadic44 wrote:
The kid does not stop. Anyone else notice idra never has anything nice to say about stephanos recent success? its always the standard "he wont keep winning using that style, flash in the pan, koreans havent adapted to it", etc. Showing signs of fear he may lose the loosely given(fair argument), "best foreign zerg" title?
LOL you're ridiculous. The better a gamer gets the more critical he has to be so that he can judge his own play. I don't understand how you can infer "showing signs of fear" from that.
No matter how much you hate idra or how bad he does at tournaments, it is an undeniable fact that his macro is better than even the best Koreans. Stephano definitely plays a lot smarter and has really good multitasking to back it up, but idra's macro is still better from what I've see in replays.
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On December 10 2011 01:59 .Sic. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:54 Sporadic44 wrote:
The kid does not stop. Anyone else notice idra never has anything nice to say about stephanos recent success? its always the standard "he wont keep winning using that style, flash in the pan, koreans havent adapted to it", etc. Showing signs of fear he may lose the loosely given(fair argument), "best foreign zerg" title? LOL you're ridiculous. The better a gamer gets the more critical he has to be so that he can judge his own play. I don't understand how you can infer "showing signs of fear" from that. No matter how much you hate idra or how bad he does at tournaments, it is an undeniable fact that his macro is better than even the best Koreans. Stephano definitely plays a lot smarter and has really good multitasking to back it up, but idra's macro is still better from what I've see in replays.
Idra's macro is better than the best koreans? Huh?
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On December 10 2011 02:04 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:59 .Sic. wrote:On December 10 2011 01:54 Sporadic44 wrote:
The kid does not stop. Anyone else notice idra never has anything nice to say about stephanos recent success? its always the standard "he wont keep winning using that style, flash in the pan, koreans havent adapted to it", etc. Showing signs of fear he may lose the loosely given(fair argument), "best foreign zerg" title? LOL you're ridiculous. The better a gamer gets the more critical he has to be so that he can judge his own play. I don't understand how you can infer "showing signs of fear" from that. No matter how much you hate idra or how bad he does at tournaments, it is an undeniable fact that his macro is better than even the best Koreans. Stephano definitely plays a lot smarter and has really good multitasking to back it up, but idra's macro is still better from what I've see in replays. Idra's macro is better than the best koreans? Huh?
Yes he does. He keeps his money lower, does a better job with injects, and his EAPM is higher than most Korean zergs.
edit:EAPM= APM - repetitive clicks
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On December 10 2011 01:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:53 iamke55 wrote:On December 10 2011 01:50 -Archangel- wrote:On December 10 2011 01:48 Silidons wrote:On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-) who went full mech....sigh people these days Actually he tried his build that he uses on all Zergs on ladder but Stephano defended perfectly and crushed him. I heard he beat Idra 5 times with that build. Must be pretty strong. It was not that build, it was a thor timing after an effective hellion/banshee harass. ForGG that game did the "imaekthor" build after his harass failed and lost his whole army to mass lings (after letting all his hellions get fungaled btw) The game was over when his harass did no damage, because Stephano can metagame him every time because he does the same hellion shit every game.
ForGG's hellion-harass did damage (and quite a bit at that)...
...I'll also be glad when people stop using "metagame" as a verb.
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On December 10 2011 02:05 .Sic. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 02:04 poorcloud wrote:On December 10 2011 01:59 .Sic. wrote:On December 10 2011 01:54 Sporadic44 wrote:
The kid does not stop. Anyone else notice idra never has anything nice to say about stephanos recent success? its always the standard "he wont keep winning using that style, flash in the pan, koreans havent adapted to it", etc. Showing signs of fear he may lose the loosely given(fair argument), "best foreign zerg" title? LOL you're ridiculous. The better a gamer gets the more critical he has to be so that he can judge his own play. I don't understand how you can infer "showing signs of fear" from that. No matter how much you hate idra or how bad he does at tournaments, it is an undeniable fact that his macro is better than even the best Koreans. Stephano definitely plays a lot smarter and has really good multitasking to back it up, but idra's macro is still better from what I've see in replays. Idra's macro is better than the best koreans? Huh? Yes he does. He keeps his money lower, does a better job with injects, and his EAPM is higher than most Korean zergs. edit:EAPM= APM - repetitive clicks
I don't know but a few games i seen from Idra, he dosen't seem to keep his energy as low on his queens as compared to like Nestea or DRG. But maybe you are right as you have seen more of Idra's play.
Just mind boggling to me.
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On December 10 2011 02:08 Gnosis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 10 2011 01:53 iamke55 wrote:On December 10 2011 01:50 -Archangel- wrote:On December 10 2011 01:48 Silidons wrote:On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-) who went full mech....sigh people these days Actually he tried his build that he uses on all Zergs on ladder but Stephano defended perfectly and crushed him. I heard he beat Idra 5 times with that build. Must be pretty strong. It was not that build, it was a thor timing after an effective hellion/banshee harass. ForGG that game did the "imaekthor" build after his harass failed and lost his whole army to mass lings (after letting all his hellions get fungaled btw) The game was over when his harass did no damage, because Stephano can metagame him every time because he does the same hellion shit every game. ForGG's hellion-harass did damage (and quite a bit at that)... ...I'll also be glad when people stop using "metagame" as a verb.
No, it really didn't.
Against 3 base zerg, "quite a bit" of damage isn't killing 15 drones.
When he had the third hatch at 200-300 hp, if that died, then it would have been "quite a bit of damage"
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On December 10 2011 02:08 Gnosis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:57 SafeAsCheese wrote:On December 10 2011 01:53 iamke55 wrote:On December 10 2011 01:50 -Archangel- wrote:On December 10 2011 01:48 Silidons wrote:On December 10 2011 01:46 arQ wrote:
Wow. He just crushed ForGG :-) who went full mech....sigh people these days Actually he tried his build that he uses on all Zergs on ladder but Stephano defended perfectly and crushed him. I heard he beat Idra 5 times with that build. Must be pretty strong. It was not that build, it was a thor timing after an effective hellion/banshee harass. ForGG that game did the "imaekthor" build after his harass failed and lost his whole army to mass lings (after letting all his hellions get fungaled btw) The game was over when his harass did no damage, because Stephano can metagame him every time because he does the same hellion shit every game. ForGG's hellion-harass did damage (and quite a bit at that)... ...I'll also be glad when people stop using "metagame" as a verb.
fOrGG had stephano on the ropes that game. He just dosen't have an idea to do past 2 base since he has ended almost all of his ladder games on 1 base today.
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lol, grandmaster rank 30, 81-30 on korea
:D
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On December 10 2011 02:22 KalWarkov wrote:
lol, grandmaster rank 30, 81-30 on korea
:D
Why so confused? Stephano has a great record against different Koreans (and most of them Code S/A) so ladder warriors should not be a problem for him.
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France13023 Posts
On December 10 2011 02:05 .Sic. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 02:04 poorcloud wrote:On December 10 2011 01:59 .Sic. wrote:On December 10 2011 01:54 Sporadic44 wrote:
The kid does not stop. Anyone else notice idra never has anything nice to say about stephanos recent success? its always the standard "he wont keep winning using that style, flash in the pan, koreans havent adapted to it", etc. Showing signs of fear he may lose the loosely given(fair argument), "best foreign zerg" title? LOL you're ridiculous. The better a gamer gets the more critical he has to be so that he can judge his own play. I don't understand how you can infer "showing signs of fear" from that. No matter how much you hate idra or how bad he does at tournaments, it is an undeniable fact that his macro is better than even the best Koreans. Stephano definitely plays a lot smarter and has really good multitasking to back it up, but idra's macro is still better from what I've see in replays. Idra's macro is better than the best koreans? Huh? Yes he does. He keeps his money lower, does a better job with injects, and his EAPM is higher than most Korean zergs. edit:EAPM= APM - repetitive clicks
Ret keeps his money lower than IdrA. And Ret hasn't the best macro among zergs.
You can't know who has
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On December 10 2011 01:59 .Sic. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 01:54 Sporadic44 wrote:
The kid does not stop. Anyone else notice idra never has anything nice to say about stephanos recent success? its always the standard "he wont keep winning using that style, flash in the pan, koreans havent adapted to it", etc. Showing signs of fear he may lose the loosely given(fair argument), "best foreign zerg" title? LOL you're ridiculous. The better a gamer gets the more critical he has to be so that he can judge his own play. I don't understand how you can infer "showing signs of fear" from that. No matter how much you hate idra or how bad he does at tournaments, it is an undeniable fact that his macro is better than even the best Koreans. Stephano definitely plays a lot smarter and has really good multitasking to back it up, but idra's macro is still better from what I've see in replays.
In my opinion you can't be more wrong. But this is my opinion and i just think this is a non ending debate, but saying things as "idra has the best macro among all zergs in the world" is something wrong. There is just maybe about 20 zergs better than him, more solid and complete.
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Its nothing short of amazing how stephano has been able to get top 30 GM in less than a weeks time. Most foreigners get crushed over and over after going to korea but stephano has been able to play solid from day one.
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On December 10 2011 02:46 trucane wrote:
Its nothing short of amazing how stephano has been able to get top 30 GM in less than a weeks time. Most foreigners get crushed over and over after going to korea but stephano has been able to play solid from day one.
TBH, laddering a lot with a winning rate = #1
Go look at the GM ladder.
MakaPrine, who is worse than Stephano, is #1. Yet he has 600 games played with a much lower win rate.
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Amazing player, easily the best non korean zerg.
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France13023 Posts
On December 10 2011 02:50 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 02:46 trucane wrote:
Its nothing short of amazing how stephano has been able to get top 30 GM in less than a weeks time. Most foreigners get crushed over and over after going to korea but stephano has been able to play solid from day one. TBH, laddering a lot with a winning rate = #1 Go look at the GM ladder. MakaPrine, who is worse than Stephano, is #1. Yet he has 600 games played with a much lower win rate.
ByunPrime plays on MakaPrime account.
And as far as I know Byun is better than Stephano atm
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