EPTOn December 08 2011 04:27 arQ wrote:
So, what is his ID?
So, what is his ID?
http://www.sc2ranks.com/kr/3282599/DreAm
Stephanos Ladderrun - Page 49
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
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Oreo7
United States1647 Posts
On December 07 2011 14:42 babylon wrote: The thing is that ladder's often a good indicator of base skill. MKP was first known as a ladder beast. So was Bomber. And DRG. The list goes on and on. I mean, sure there are going to be some people who are ladder beasts but who don't show it in broadcasted matches, but it does mean that at least they aren't going to be total shit. I don't even like Stephano -- god, that coL thing left a bad taste in my mouth -- but I have to admit that I'm annoyingly impressed with his progress. It's like the more I doubt him, the more he tries to prove me wrong. >.< On the other hand, it also seems that the closer I am to giving in and admitting he's a beast, he goes on to lose to someone like Goody at a LAN.  Of course some people who do well on ladder will do well in tourneys, but the fast majority of ladders bosses vanish into obscurity. Results in LANs are all that count. Stephano has those. It's cool people do well on ladder, but part of doing well on ladder doesn't convert to tourneys. For example, if you have a BO5 against someone, you generally can't do the same build multiple times, but if you have a BO5 on ladder, you can use the same exact build every time. Stephano is a really specialized and unique zerg, at least in ZvT, so the ladder system does give him some benefits it doesn't give more standard zergs like Ret or Idra. | ||
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Jemesatui
Australia94 Posts
Obviously ladder success does not mean tourny success, but I've watched a fuckton of streams over the past year and NOTHING has matched the calibre of Stephanos play on ladder. I don't even play Zerg, but his game verse maka prime last night (no.1 kr ladder) was fucking all time, and if mules wernt so OP he would have easily won. Think of all the foreigners 'train in korea' but don't even get close to making GM. Jinro been in KR or years and still can't make gm. I'm not saying he's the best player/Zerg in the world, but the guy is a fuckin freak straight up | ||
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OzVelas
Bulgaria516 Posts
On December 08 2011 11:39 Jemesatui wrote: The only foreigners to make GM Korean ladder so far as I know it are sase, huk and stephano. Obviously ladder success does not mean tourny success, but I've watched a fuckton of streams over the past year and NOTHING has matched the calibre of Stephanos play on ladder. I don't even play Zerg, but his game verse maka prime last night (no.1 kr ladder) was fucking all time, and if mules wernt so OP he would have easily won. Think of all the foreigners 'train in korea' but don't even get close to making GM. Jinro been in KR or years and still can't make gm. I'm not saying he's the best player/Zerg in the world, but the guy is a fuckin freak straight up Naniwa isnt GM? | ||
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13Yoshi37
Germany21 Posts
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NinjaAUS
Australia133 Posts
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
On December 08 2011 11:39 Jemesatui wrote: The only foreigners to make GM Korean ladder so far as I know it are sase, huk and stephano. Obviously ladder success does not mean tourny success, but I've watched a fuckton of streams over the past year and NOTHING has matched the calibre of Stephanos play on ladder. I don't even play Zerg, but his game verse maka prime last night (no.1 kr ladder) was fucking all time, and if mules wernt so OP he would have easily won. Think of all the foreigners 'train in korea' but don't even get close to making GM. Jinro been in KR or years and still can't make gm. I'm not saying he's the best player/Zerg in the world, but the guy is a fuckin freak straight up You're so ignorant lol... Jinro made it to RO4 GSL twice, thats better than being GM as for foreigners that made it into gm... there are more than 10 foreigners who have made it to GM, mOOngLaDe, Sen, IdrA, NaNiwa and more have made it to gm. Mules aren't op either, lol. | ||
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nastyyy
United States262 Posts
On December 08 2011 11:39 Jemesatui wrote: The only foreigners to make GM Korean ladder so far as I know it are sase, huk and stephano. Obviously ladder success does not mean tourny success, but I've watched a fuckton of streams over the past year and NOTHING has matched the calibre of Stephanos play on ladder. I don't even play Zerg, but his game verse maka prime last night (no.1 kr ladder) was fucking all time, and if mules wernt so OP he would have easily won. Think of all the foreigners 'train in korea' but don't even get close to making GM. Jinro been in KR or years and still can't make gm. I'm not saying he's the best player/Zerg in the world, but the guy is a fuckin freak straight up That's beautiful diction there. | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 08 2011 18:17 ReaperX wrote: You're so ignorant lol... Jinro made it to RO4 GSL twice, thats better than being GM as for foreigners that made it into gm... there are more than 10 foreigners who have made it to GM, mOOngLaDe, Sen, IdrA, NaNiwa and more have made it to gm. Mules aren't op either, lol. It'd be pretty sad if top foreigners couldn't make it into GM. There's a lot of amateur korean players in GM as well, and a lot of top code S players don't even ladder much at all. But stephano's style and mentality definitely does seem good for ladder. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10328 Posts
On December 08 2011 18:23 WArped wrote: As far as I know, nobody uses Stephanos technique. Adding the hatchery eggs that he uses to reinforce his army to his hotkeys, frees up apm to multitask and spread creep, macro etc. It's an amazing technique to be honest and not many pro Zergs have quite caught on to it. Of course every player is different and are comfortable using different ways of playing but I think Steph's technique has helped him somewhat. It also helps that his decision making is impeccable too. If this is what I think it is, it sounds pretty smart considering you can have those new units instantly come reinforce instead of checking on them later or possibly having a bad rally. Are you saying he will, if he's making mutas for example, hotkey the eggs making the mutas? Or is it more general, where he just hotkeys all his eggs with 1 of his army hotkeys, or a separate one? | ||
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nanoscorp
United States1237 Posts
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nanoscorp
United States1237 Posts
On December 08 2011 18:26 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: If this is what I think it is, it sounds pretty smart considering you can have those new units instantly come reinforce instead of checking on them later or possibly having a bad rally. Are you saying he will, if he's making mutas for example, hotkey the eggs making the mutas? Or is it more general, where he just hotkeys all his eggs with 1 of his army hotkeys, or a separate one? His morphing units get added to the appropriate hotkey. For example, a lot of times when he's defending his 3rd from zealot harassment, you can see him clicking to move the lings, but there'll be rally lines from all the eggs at his hatcheries too. As soon as the eggs pop, the lings are running where he wants them. he's also really good at firing off just enough lings to get a job done, then keeping the rest with his army. Attack, shift-clickclickclick and then rehotkey, I think. He often has 7-8 lings breaking rocks in one spot, another 7-8 doing the same thing elsewhere on the map, a couple scouting, and a good 12-16 wating to intercept drops. | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
Even HuK or any foreign pro didnt dominaite when they first went there they actaully transitioned over time. Good luck Stephano, cannot wait to see how it goes in 3-4 weeks time when you have had time to really get into it. | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
On December 08 2011 18:26 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: If this is what I think it is, it sounds pretty smart considering you can have those new units instantly come reinforce instead of checking on them later or possibly having a bad rally. Are you saying he will, if he's making mutas for example, hotkey the eggs making the mutas? Or is it more general, where he just hotkeys all his eggs with 1 of his army hotkeys, or a separate one? It's as you think it is, he hotkeys the eggs making the mutas. Say he has 6 mutas out and he is making 6 mutas, he Ctrl+ Selects the eggs making the mutas and Shift + adds those eggs to his hotkey. So he has 6 mutas out + 6 eggs assigned to his hotkey. When the mutas hatch he will INSTANTLY reinforce his muta army. You will notice that Steph is constantly doing this to his army, even if he makes like 3 lings, he will always select the eggs and add them to his hotkeys. | ||
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bbm
United Kingdom1320 Posts
On December 08 2011 18:35 WArped wrote: It's as you think it is, he hotkeys the eggs making the mutas. Say he has 6 mutas out and he is making 6 mutas, he Ctrl+ Selects the eggs making the mutas and Shift + adds those eggs to his hotkey. So he has 6 mutas out + 6 eggs assigned to his hotkey. When the mutas hatch he will INSTANTLY reinforce his muta army. You will notice that Steph is constantly doing this to his army, even if he makes like 3 lings, he will always select the eggs and add them to his hotkeys. Yeah I really need to start doing this, it pains me when I lose a battle and go back and there are half a dozen roaches just chillin' at my ramp | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38205 Posts
On December 08 2011 18:40 bbm wrote: Yeah I really need to start doing this, it pains me when I lose a battle and go back and there are half a dozen roaches just chillin' at my ramp Just be careful doing it with the muta example, the amount of times I've added eggs to a muta group and happily harassed away, only to realise moments later that my newly rallied mutas flew straight over turrets and a thor to join up was embarassingly high =p For almost everything else it's great, though you need to be careful when setting up flanks etc. | ||
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HikariPrime
United States122 Posts
On December 08 2011 18:44 Asha` wrote: Just be careful doing it with the muta example, the amount of times I add eggs to my muta group and happily harass away, only to realise moments later that my newly rallied mutas flew straight over turrets and a thor to join up was embarassingly high =p For almost everything else it's great, though you need to be careful when setting up flanks etc. Errr , I though everyone already did this >> Yeah, you need to be careful with fragile units and be aware of where they are on the map once spawned but otherwise its so useful~ | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On December 08 2011 18:17 ReaperX wrote: You're so ignorant lol... Jinro made it to RO4 GSL twice, thats better than being GM as for foreigners that made it into gm... there are more than 10 foreigners who have made it to GM, mOOngLaDe, Sen, IdrA, NaNiwa and more have made it to gm. Mules aren't op either, lol. Also Select if you count his as a foreigner. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On December 08 2011 18:35 WArped wrote: It's as you think it is, he hotkeys the eggs making the mutas. Say he has 6 mutas out and he is making 6 mutas, he Ctrl+ Selects the eggs making the mutas and Shift + adds those eggs to his hotkey. So he has 6 mutas out + 6 eggs assigned to his hotkey. When the mutas hatch he will INSTANTLY reinforce his muta army. You will notice that Steph is constantly doing this to his army, even if he makes like 3 lings, he will always select the eggs and add them to his hotkeys. Adding mutas like this to the control group only leads to disaster. I do the egg hotkey technique, and I do it on everything BUT mutas and other air units. I've lost so many mutas just because I added them to my control group and having them fly over some marines or into a turret when my muta ball is on the other side of the terrans base/army. It works well with grounds units though. I'm 100% sure that there are MANY other pros out there who do this, it's not a unique technique, and many zergs know about it. It's just some see it as a hassle and some just can't break their habit or have different unit making styles. Like for instance, I've seen Destiny hit drones overlords and roaches at the same time with his larvae selected. Destiny would need to break his way of macroing, and learn to make drones, then overlords, then roaches. It's not amazing and most zergs do it, or they just rally their hatcheries forward with their army. I don't think this is anything new, nor will it change the way zergs play or their opponents play. | ||
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