EPTOn December 07 2011 13:32 Zalithian wrote:
Ladder is so irrelevant.
Ladder is so irrelevant.
As the former laddergods, Stephano and Nerchio proove.
Certainly now known as the best Zergs in Europe.
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
As the former laddergods, Stephano and Nerchio proove. Certainly now known as the best Zergs in Europe. | ||
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Zalithian
520 Posts
On December 07 2011 13:39 KalWarkov wrote: As the former laddergods, Stephano and Nerchio proove. Certainly now known as the best Zergs in Europe. If this is serious, disagree. If this is not serious, agree. Doing well on ladder has very little if anything to do with actual results. There have been so many people who have dominated or done awesome on ladder who can't accomplish anything outside of it. Stephano is good of course, Nerchio, no comment. Think of ladder as pick up basketball games. Hey, great, you can beat a bunch of random people. Maybe some of them are really good even, but it means nothing, unless you're someone who likes to brag about dominating ladder. I wouldn't even put it on par with a college sport. At least you can win something in college sports. You know who was also really good on the ladder recently? Catz. I like Catz, but he's clearly not on par with most pro players. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On December 07 2011 14:38 Zalithian wrote: If this is serious, disagree. If this is not serious, agree. Doing well on ladder has very little if anything to do with actual results. There have been so many people who have dominated or done awesome on ladder who can't accomplish anything outside of it. Stephano is good of course, Nerchio, no comment. Think of ladder as pick up basketball games. Hey, great, you can beat a bunch of random people. Maybe some of them are really good even, but it means nothing, unless you're someone who likes to brag about dominating ladder. I wouldn't even put it on par with a college sport. At least you can win something in college sports. You know who was also really good on the ladder recently? Catz. I like Catz, but he's clearly not on par with most pro players. The thing is that ladder's often a good indicator of base skill. MKP was first known as a ladder beast. So was Bomber. And DRG. The list goes on and on. I mean, sure there are going to be some people who are ladder beasts but who don't show it in broadcasted matches, but it does mean that at least they aren't going to be total shit. I don't even like Stephano -- god, that coL thing left a bad taste in my mouth -- but I have to admit that I'm annoyingly impressed with his progress. It's like the more I doubt him, the more he tries to prove me wrong. >.< On the other hand, it also seems that the closer I am to giving in and admitting he's a beast, he goes on to lose to someone like Goody at a LAN.  | ||
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Vira
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Derity
Germany2952 Posts
hopefully i m wrong and stephano crushes his group  Edit: hm, was supposed for the fanclub thread, but i guess this post can stay here too | ||
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Sawofhackness
Afghanistan183 Posts
Yes we know competitive play is different from ladder play. But making it to Korean GM in a few days and just beating some high level players is a pretty good sign of skill and potential. | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
On December 07 2011 14:38 Zalithian wrote: If this is serious, disagree. If this is not serious, agree. Doing well on ladder has very little if anything to do with actual results. There have been so many people who have dominated or done awesome on ladder who can't accomplish anything outside of it. Stephano is good of course, Nerchio, no comment. Think of ladder as pick up basketball games. Hey, great, you can beat a bunch of random people. Maybe some of them are really good even, but it means nothing, unless you're someone who likes to brag about dominating ladder. I wouldn't even put it on par with a college sport. At least you can win something in college sports. You know who was also really good on the ladder recently? Catz. I like Catz, but he's clearly not on par with most pro players. catz isnt doing well on any ladder i think you misunderstand, stephano and nerchio DOMINATE the online stuff. nerchio winning a billion online tournaments and stephano going, 64-2 when this topic was made? yeah. you can say something about that. you can make wild accusations. ladder sucks and isnt meaningful generally, but when you DONT LOSE EVER TO THE BEST PLAYERS ON THE SERVER.... you can run wild with it. in this case stephano got to gm on korea in 3 days. that's incredible. you would have to play on the server to know i guess, but lets look at @ jinro. he LIVES in korea and isn't gm on korea. ive always said gm on korea = being superstar pro outside of korea | ||
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EdSlyB
Portugal1621 Posts
Stephano is amazing. Almost makes zerg look easy. ^^ | ||
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leungwk01
United Kingdom1260 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + byun - lose nestea - lose braq - lose sculp - win braq - lose sinsa - win Jakjji? - lose Jakjji? - lose Jakjji? - lose Expression - win tear - win Alice - lose Ares (bomber) - win | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
bomber said yesterday in his chat that it was maka, but the ID is a namechange on MKP's old ellenpage id | ||
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JohnMatrix
France1358 Posts
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
Heck, Stephano has a 50% win/loss ratio today on ladder after taking on the likes of jjakji, Nestea, and Bomber... Rather, you guys should start looking at his games now that he's in the position that he is in with his MMR. That said, this is great for Stephano who is a great player as he's finally able to take on ridiculously tough opponents that would help him improve. | ||
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
He would be exposed to a large variety of attacks so weird timings and all-ins shouldn't throw him off and assuming he plays standard macro, he shouldn't really be doing anything different in tournaments. Terran and protoss success in tournaments is more dependent on understanding the opponent and the maps for preparation of snipe builds or playing in a certain style. | ||
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zerker2strong
775 Posts
On December 08 2011 04:11 wklbishop wrote: Ok... why are people making it like getting into GM with a ridiculous win rate in Korea as a big thing for Stephano? The problem with that statement is the fact that you don't actually face people that are around your skill level for quite a while and then you hit a brick wall. He was already obviously GM material so most of his games before making it into GM were against people beneath his skill level which isn't much different from a Master smurfing his first 25 wins from Platinum. Granted, he started with DreAm's inactive masters account so you can't say he got too many easy wins, but my point still stands. Heck, Stephano has a 50% win/loss ratio today on ladder after taking on the likes of jjakji, Nestea, and Bomber... Rather, you guys should start looking at his games now that he's in the position that he is in with his MMR. That said, this is great for Stephano who is a great player as he's finally able to take on ridiculously tough opponents that would help him improve. the fact he started on a korean pro his account kinda makes your point not stand. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 08 2011 04:11 wklbishop wrote: Ok... why are people making it like getting into GM with a ridiculous win rate in Korea as a big thing for Stephano? The problem with that statement is the fact that you don't actually face people that are around your skill level for quite a while and then you hit a brick wall. He was already obviously GM material so most of his games before making it into GM were against people beneath his skill level which isn't much different from a Master smurfing his first 25 wins from Platinum. Granted, he started with DreAm's inactive masters account so you can't say he got too many easy wins, but my point still stands. Heck, Stephano has a 50% win/loss ratio today on ladder after taking on the likes of jjakji, Nestea, and Bomber... Rather, you guys should start looking at his games now that he's in the position that he is in with his MMR. That said, this is great for Stephano who is a great player as he's finally able to take on ridiculously tough opponents that would help him improve. hmm yes he did he loaned a korean master account and started to play vs higher masters and low GM at first day. 2nd day he had a huge winning streak vs GM and got into GM l8r that evening and today was his 3rd day. | ||
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arQ
1033 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
On December 08 2011 04:05 Asha` wrote: BraQ = either MKP or maka bomber said yesterday in his chat that it was maka, but the ID is a namechange on MKP's old ellenpage id BraQ? Is that a tribute to Firebathero? | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On December 08 2011 04:03 leungwk01 wrote: His run an hour or so ago + Show Spoiler + byun - lose nestea - lose braq - lose sculp - win braq - lose sinsa - win Jakjji? - lose Jakjji? - lose Jakjji? - lose Expression - win tear - win Alice - lose Ares (bomber) - win Now Stephano actually looks mortal. | ||
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robih
Austria1086 Posts
srsly be happy it is not irrelevant YET! right now pros are actually playing it for training purposes and new players can show their skills in comparision to pros. sooner or later the ladder will become the same as in wc3. the pros wont play it cause they rather play customs with eachother. the more pros leave the ladder the more irrelevant it gets. lets just be happy that ladder isnt irrelevant in sc2 just yet and enjoy the beauty of ladderstreams and sites where we can track our pros stats | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On December 08 2011 04:19 zerker2strong wrote: the fact he started on a korean pro his account kinda makes your point not stand. DreAm is a Chinese player. And not really, it just goes to show what a huge difference there is between GM and high masters and then low GM and high GM. The first day was a day of free wins against mid-high masters then low GM later. The 2nd day was actually against mid-tier GM whom are still considered low-tier Korean players. Today, he played against the top GM. If he started playing against Nestea, and Jjakji straight off the bat then my point no longer stands, but the fact of the matter is, he didn't and it took him until today for him to face these players whom made him look very much mortal. On December 08 2011 04:23 HappyChris wrote: hmm yes he did he loaned a korean master account and started to play vs higher masters and low GM at first day. 2nd day he had a huge winning streak vs GM and got into GM l8r that evening and today was his 3rd day. Yep, today is his 3rd day and he's started playing against high GM and it is a huge difference actually. | ||
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