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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
On September 20 2011 08:47 Piotr wrote: In France we also have something that is called loyalty and in Korea there's this thing call "honor." Apparently as long as you quote a vague virtues, it will supersede any national or international legal framework. Aren't we tired of this? | ||
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Deshkar
Singapore1244 Posts
I really dislike contract breaches, especially since we all aspire to legitimize E-Sports. | ||
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haticK
United States74 Posts
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:12 Chargelot wrote: No, he wouldn't. Jurisdiction is in Texas, USA. Even if he's "sues" and wins.... how the heck is he ever going to collect? There is NO WAY he is going to spend years fighting this in courts, when he said he just engaged Stephano on Sept 1. He's just a lawyer who's pissed.... and I imagine most lawyers when their pissed threaten legal action. Col will never see a dime from Mill over this UNLESS Mill freaks out and gets scared and decides to "settle". No SC2 team is worth suing, because they can just shut down and reform. SC2 teams have no money and no assets worth pursuing (No offense) | ||
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dwillow
Czech Republic88 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:18 haticK wrote: When I read this thread I listen to this: http://youtu.be/OATi34PKNPw good choice :-) | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
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BarbieHsu
574 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:16 Primadog wrote: and in Korea there's this thing call "honor." Apparently as long as you quote a vague virtues, it will supersede any national or international legal framework. Aren't we tired of this? You're either deliberately misunderstanding him, or deliberately misrepresenting what he says. Because I will never assume that a TL poster is just plain stupid. Loyalty has a particular meaning in French contract law. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:18 dsousa wrote: Even if he's "sues" and wins.... how the heck is he ever going to collect? There is NO WAY he is going to spend years fighting this in courts, when he said he just engaged Stephano on Sept 1. He's just a lawyer who's pissed.... and I imagine most lawyers when their pissed threaten legal action. Col will never see a dime from Mill over this UNLESS Mill freaks out and gets scared and decides to "settle". No SC2 team is worth suing, because they can just shut down and reform. SC2 teams have no money and no assets worth pursuing (No offense) http://www.esportstv.com/newsite/?p=news&id=479 http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/11891-compLexity_sues_its_sponsor http://www.gotfrag.com/css/story/37209/ same story, 3 sources. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:18 dsousa wrote: Even if he's "sues" and wins.... how the heck is he ever going to collect? There is NO WAY he is going to spend years fighting this in courts, when he said he just engaged Stephano on Sept 1. He's just a lawyer who's pissed.... and I imagine most lawyers when their pissed threaten legal action. Col will never see a dime from Mill over this UNLESS Mill freaks out and gets scared and decides to "settle". No SC2 team is worth suing, because they can just shut down and reform. SC2 teams have no money and no assets worth pursuing (No offense) Based on what's been said so far, is seems like they won't take on a legal suit to try and get compensation, or that won't be their main motivation at least. It's more about the principle of the matter. Part of legitimizing esports is abiding by contracts. | ||
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Callosum
United States56 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:18 dsousa wrote: Even if he's "sues" and wins.... how the heck is he ever going to collect? There is NO WAY he is going to spend years fighting this in courts, when he said he just engaged Stephano on Sept 1. He's just a lawyer who's pissed.... and I imagine most lawyers when their pissed threaten legal action. Col will never see a dime from Mill over this UNLESS Mill freaks out and gets scared and decides to "settle". No SC2 team is worth suing, because they can just shut down and reform. SC2 teams have no money and no assets worth pursuing (No offense) Complexity would sue millennium, stephano, and the owners of millennium individually to prevent them from simply shutting down and reforming. Their being in France will mean little, as I suspect France recognizes and enforces US judgments. It would be one small extra step in the process. So collection will actually be quite simple, should they sue. Keep in mind, however, that a vast majority of lawsuits end in settlement anyway, not a verdict. It's likely that on suit both sides will negotiate a payout and that will be that. What could be easier? Why not pursue it, then? | ||
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Callosum
United States56 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:21 BarbieHsu wrote: You're either deliberately misunderstanding him, or deliberately misrepresenting what he says. Because I will never assume that a TL poster is just plain stupid. Loyalty has a particular meaning in French contract law. That's interesting, what does it mean under French law? | ||
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NKexquisite
United States911 Posts
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:18 dsousa wrote: Even if he's "sues" and wins.... how the heck is he ever going to collect? There is NO WAY he is going to spend years fighting this in courts, when he said he just engaged Stephano on Sept 1. He's just a lawyer who's pissed.... and I imagine most lawyers when their pissed threaten legal action. Col will never see a dime from Mill over this UNLESS Mill freaks out and gets scared and decides to "settle". No SC2 team is worth suing, because they can just shut down and reform. SC2 teams have no money and no assets worth pursuing (No offense) It's not about the money.. I mean, how much can they really sue Stephano for? .. This is about coL's image.. if they allow this to happen, what's stopping any other player from royally screwing them over again? | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:06 Bluest wrote: First, I'm not so sure Stephano can't still join CoL. If CoL wants him he can and they certainly haven't ruled it explicitly yet. More importantly, if CoL doesn't do anything to enforce these contracts it will make all their contracts and the contracts they get people to sign in the future useless pieces of paper. Frankly, it wouldn't be a bad idea for all e-sports teams tocome together and spend a few grand here to help CoL out so they could collectively send a message here. That's pretty much the goal. It was in the linked article. They likely will not get Stephano. They probably wouldn't accept him back. They're just going to make an example out of Millennium. :X | ||
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Nitro68
France470 Posts
I'm so sad that Stephano made 2 bad choice in 12 hours... | ||
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BarbieHsu
574 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:23 Callosum wrote: That's interesting, what does it mean under French law? Something about allowing Employer A to get compensation from Employer B if the latter decides to hire away its worker | ||
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Goggalor
United States310 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:15 IndoorSpawningPool wrote: They have been making snide comments about compLexity on their stream, if you want to watch that. Millennium really needs to address what is happening here instead of letting Stephano get thrown under the bus like this. That one letter isn't cutting it. They can't just ignore what happened hoping it will go away | ||
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integrity
United States1014 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:18 haticK wrote: When I read this thread I listen to this: http://youtu.be/OATi34PKNPw i dont get it why? | ||
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CEO
Sweden16 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:12 teamsolid wrote: I don't see any difference between the two at all. Breaking a contract is breaking a contract, regardless of when you do it. Imagine if an NHL/NFL/MLB player signs a contract with a team for a year, and just suddenly bails. There would be huge consequences for that kind of action. Contrary to what my name might suggest, I am not in fact a CEO. What kind of consequences would there be if a player signs for a year and then informs them the next day that he wants to revert his decision? Did the player do irreversible damage to the team now that he has wasted one of their invaluable days? It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to ask for a cancellation of such a contract if you realize just after signing that for whatever reason it was a bad decision. | ||
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:21 Chargelot wrote: http://www.esportstv.com/newsite/?p=news&id=479 http://www.sk-gaming.com/content/11891-compLexity_sues_its_sponsor http://www.gotfrag.com/css/story/37209/ same story, 3 sources. I stand corrected, but did they ever get their money? A couple things about this are different. That was a case of services being rendered and not paid for, with a clear dollar amount. Secondly that was a company (not a gaming team) which means it probably has deeper pockets that Mill or Stephano. Lastly, what can they even sue Mill for, its Stephano they'd have to sue. That being said, maybe Jason Lake is just likes to sue.... but I'd be interested to know how long that process took to wrap up and if they ever got the money. (I bet they didn't .... prove me wrong again :D) | ||
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