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Tarias
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands480 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-20 00:04:29
September 19 2011 23:58 GMT
#2241
On September 20 2011 08:57 Gheed wrote:
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On September 20 2011 08:55 chrisgreg wrote:
complexity won't be making that mistake again, we will all learn from this i think


What mistake? Dealing with Europeans? Their deals with Koreans seem to have been successful thus far.

Please don't generalize like that, you insult alot of people. Not all of Europe is like france..

edit- Smiley added to express sarcasm
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Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
September 19 2011 23:58 GMT
#2242
On September 20 2011 08:56 hypnoxide wrote:
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On September 20 2011 08:49 French fries wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:47 AIOL! wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:46 French fries wrote:
France 1-0 USA

Ban plz -_-



Pas cool mec T__T
Si on peux plus faire d'humour

France getting raped in every modern war:

Everyone: 1
France: -9001


This post is equal if not worse than his. Poor taste in your response.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
September 19 2011 23:59 GMT
#2243
On September 20 2011 08:58 Tarias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 08:57 Gheed wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:55 chrisgreg wrote:
complexity won't be making that mistake again, we will all learn from this i think


What mistake? Dealing with Europeans? Their deals with Koreans seem to have been successful thus far.

Please don't generalize like that, you insult alot of people. Not all of Europe is like france..


That was the point. Complexity didn't make a mistake.
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
September 19 2011 23:59 GMT
#2244
On September 20 2011 08:56 hypnoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 08:49 French fries wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:47 AIOL! wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:46 French fries wrote:
France 1-0 USA

Ban plz -_-



Pas cool mec T__T
Si on peux plus faire d'humour

France getting raped in every modern war:

Everyone: 1
France: -9001

? france hasnt been in any modern wars? they just surrender asap

User was temp banned for this post.
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BrodiaQ
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States892 Posts
September 20 2011 00:00 GMT
#2245
On September 20 2011 08:58 Tarias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 08:57 Gheed wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:55 chrisgreg wrote:
complexity won't be making that mistake again, we will all learn from this i think


What mistake? Dealing with Europeans? Their deals with Koreans seem to have been successful thus far.

Please don't generalize like that, you insult alot of people. Not all of Europe is like france..


LOL. Not sure if you were joking or serious but hilarious either way.

Been a few hours since anything new has come up so I hope this thread gets some new information to discuss.
"So come right up and let me squash your creativity with my iron fist of conservative play."--Nony
KoshkaTV
Profile Joined October 2010
United States430 Posts
September 20 2011 00:00 GMT
#2246
All that's left of this story is the drama.

Stephano CANNOT go to Col now.... I just don't see how this damage could be undone, so he's going to stay with Mill. Complexity is not a baneling, they are not going to blow themselves up trying to get legal revenge, because that's all they'll get if they sue. Lawyers are FAR more expensive than SC2 players, so rather than spend money suing an 18 year old Frenchman, they should just spend that money on another SC2 talent.

The only story left here is who Complexity is going to sign instead. If you're a pro player, near the level of Stephano, I'd be giving Jason Lake a call. He's eager to make someone "One of the highest payed players in SC2".
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s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
September 20 2011 00:00 GMT
#2247
On September 20 2011 08:58 Tarias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 08:57 Gheed wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:55 chrisgreg wrote:
complexity won't be making that mistake again, we will all learn from this i think


What mistake? Dealing with Europeans? Their deals with Koreans seem to have been successful thus far.

Please don't generalize like that, you insult alot of people. Not all of Europe is like france..


Hahah.. this made me laugh.. I do hope you were being sarcastic. I mean not all french people are represented by trollish TL posters claiming to be from france right?
P0ckets
Profile Joined January 2011
United States430 Posts
September 20 2011 00:01 GMT
#2248
On September 20 2011 08:50 zarepath wrote:
Stephano has handled this almost perfectly. What he should do now is announce an announcement (since he hasn't taken up enough of the TL forums today), announcing a one-hour special next week where he sits down with djWheat and decides which team he's going to join. He can call it "the Decision."


YES! +1 for this man. Lebron James all over.
hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
September 20 2011 00:01 GMT
#2249
On September 20 2011 08:54 Falcor wrote:
since when is 18 "a kid"

are you talking about being a kid in a strictly juridical sense within a specific jurisdiction, or as in being a kid mentally like most 18 year olds are for the sake of discussion from an ethical standpoint?
MyRevenge
Profile Joined September 2011
France12 Posts
September 20 2011 00:02 GMT
#2250
On September 20 2011 08:54 Quintum_ wrote:
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On September 20 2011 08:39 MyRevenge wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:32 arbitrageur wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:28 MyRevenge wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:13 darkscream wrote:
It's amazing how many people are posting in this thread that have less than 5 posts and are from France. I don't have a huge post count either but come on guys, you just showed up on TL to troll this thread, it's very transparent.. >_>

I just registered something like 24 hours ago, I couldn't already know about this drama :D

I think this situation doesn't deserves so many reactions, because eventually it's quite simple :

-As someone said before, Stephano obviously didn't receive any money, and broke his contract less than 24 hours after signing it. I don't think coL can win anything from legal pursuit.
-Stephano is for sure immature, as many 18 years old boys.
-Relying on Millenium, there's some mistakes in the contract between coL and Stephano, so that they shouldn't be able to engage legal pursuit under french law.
-Millenium made a strange move, but even though it's mostly Stephano's job to speak with his manager from Millenium before joining another team, is that really right to steal a player (even though he had no legal contract (which doesn't mean he had no engagement towards Millenium)) without telling it to Lewellys before ?

I think that all of them are wrong. They'd better not make public threads but fix this situation in private.

You think that all of them are wrong, based on your extensive research into all their actions and international contract law? Rofl. You clearly have 0 information in your brain to know what you claim to know.

I'll make it simpler :

- If coL engage legal pursuit, they won't have any compensation, or a ridiculous one.
- Stephano maybe behaved like a kid, but he's just 18 years old, does it deserve 3 000 posts about it?
- Both Stephano & coL should have told Millenium about this contract. Even though he had no legal contract, Stephano was still engaged with Millenium.
- Millenium's reaction is unfair too, maybe even illegal.

Eventually, no one of them make benefits from this situation. That's why I just said they were all wrong and should better fix this in private. Got it?


Col. is not looking for any monetary compensation, or at least it most likely very low on there priority list. They are looking to protect there organization for the future. A player they signed broke there contract, if they dont go after him what is stop there other players from saying

"Hay that stephano guy broke his contract without any recourse, Team zxy just offed me x amount of money so i am going to go over there since Col wont do anything if ii breach my contract with them"

I will wait to hear the other side of the story since there could still be things out there as things have come to light after the fact in past cases but in my point of view stephano messed up bad. If you are unsure about a contract dont sign it, get a second, third fourth ext. option untell you are sure about it. Right now all stephano can hope for is some loophole in the contract that col wrote to avoid legal action since it seems like col is going to be taking this to court.

Actually I don't think that it's very common to see a player breaking his contract after less than 24 hours. But well, you're not wrong.
By the way, I've read that Millenium said there were loophole(s) in the contract, and that would be the reason why they engaged Stephano (again).

If you guys are asking for more professionalisation, you'd better expect the teams to fix that kind of situation in private. Actually all of them lost some credibility. That's what I was meaning by "they're all wrong". Maybe coL is in its right, but in the end there won't be any winner in this drama, only losers.
Falcor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada894 Posts
September 20 2011 00:02 GMT
#2251
On September 20 2011 09:00 dsousa wrote:
All that's left of this story is the drama.

Stephano CANNOT go to Col now.... I just don't see how this damage could be undone, so he's going to stay with Mill. Complexity is not a baneling, they are not going to blow themselves up trying to get legal revenge, because that's all they'll get if they sue. Lawyers are FAR more expensive than SC2 players, so rather than spend money suing an 18 year old Frenchman, they should just spend that money on another SC2 talent.

The only story left here is who Complexity is going to sign instead. If you're a pro player, near the level of Stephano, I'd be giving Jason Lake a call. He's eager to make someone "One of the highest payed players in SC2".


the founder of complexity use to own a law firm and sold his share of it to pursue esports more. So i dont think lawyer fees for him will be a issue.
Synche
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1345 Posts
September 20 2011 00:02 GMT
#2252
On September 20 2011 09:00 dsousa wrote:
All that's left of this story is the drama.

Stephano CANNOT go to Col now.... I just don't see how this damage could be undone, so he's going to stay with Mill. Complexity is not a baneling, they are not going to blow themselves up trying to get legal revenge, because that's all they'll get if they sue. Lawyers are FAR more expensive than SC2 players, so rather than spend money suing an 18 year old Frenchman, they should just spend that money on another SC2 talent.

The only story left here is who Complexity is going to sign instead. If you're a pro player, near the level of Stephano, I'd be giving Jason Lake a call. He's eager to make someone "One of the highest payed players in SC2".


Cause there's plenty of those guys just everywhere. JLake is going to have his pick of SC2 aces come calling for a higher payday, you just wait.
hypnoxide
Profile Joined August 2011
240 Posts
September 20 2011 00:02 GMT
#2253
On September 20 2011 08:58 Angelbelow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 08:56 hypnoxide wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:49 French fries wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:47 AIOL! wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:46 French fries wrote:
France 1-0 USA

Ban plz -_-



Pas cool mec T__T
Si on peux plus faire d'humour

France getting raped in every modern war:

Everyone: 1
France: -9001


This post is equal if not worse than his. Poor taste in your response.

He's clearly trolling and so am I. Don't be so sensitive.

User was banned for this post.
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Slider954
Profile Joined March 2011
United States342 Posts
September 20 2011 00:04 GMT
#2254
On September 20 2011 09:02 hypnoxide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 08:58 Angelbelow wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:56 hypnoxide wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:49 French fries wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:47 AIOL! wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:46 French fries wrote:
France 1-0 USA

Ban plz -_-



Pas cool mec T__T
Si on peux plus faire d'humour

France getting raped in every modern war:

Everyone: 1
France: -9001


This post is equal if not worse than his. Poor taste in your response.

He's clearly trolling and so am I. Don't be so sensitive.


2 wrongs don't make a right, and calling attention to the fact that you are trolling isn't very smart. Suggest you take a few minutes and read the 10 commandments.
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Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
September 20 2011 00:04 GMT
#2255
On September 20 2011 09:01 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 08:54 Falcor wrote:
since when is 18 "a kid"

are you talking about being a kid in a strictly juridical sense within a specific jurisdiction, or as in being a kid mentally like most 18 year olds are for the sake of discussion from an ethical standpoint?


18 year olds may not have the life experiences and foresight that older people have, but they certainly aren't a kid and should be held to the standard of an adult. If we are not going to do that then we need to change the age of majority so that they can't make the decisions we feel they're not ready for.
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MyRevenge
Profile Joined September 2011
France12 Posts
September 20 2011 00:05 GMT
#2256
On September 20 2011 08:58 Tarias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 08:57 Gheed wrote:
On September 20 2011 08:55 chrisgreg wrote:
complexity won't be making that mistake again, we will all learn from this i think


What mistake? Dealing with Europeans? Their deals with Koreans seem to have been successful thus far.

Please don't generalize like that, you insult alot of people. Not all of Europe is like france..

Nice troll. By saying that, you generalize some french behaviours on TL to every french behaviours.
You almost reached the Godwin's point, go ahead.
Callosum
Profile Joined April 2010
United States56 Posts
September 20 2011 00:05 GMT
#2257
On September 20 2011 09:00 dsousa wrote:
All that's left of this story is the drama.

Stephano CANNOT go to Col now.... I just don't see how this damage could be undone, so he's going to stay with Mill. Complexity is not a baneling, they are not going to blow themselves up trying to get legal revenge, because that's all they'll get if they sue. Lawyers are FAR more expensive than SC2 players, so rather than spend money suing an 18 year old Frenchman, they should just spend that money on another SC2 talent.

The only story left here is who Complexity is going to sign instead. If you're a pro player, near the level of Stephano, I'd be giving Jason Lake a call. He's eager to make someone "One of the highest payed players in SC2".


not all lawyers are expensive. some work on a contingency basis as well. i'm a lawyer, and my hourly rate pales in comparison to most attorneys.
ho hum
AEsgaims
Profile Joined November 2010
United States237 Posts
September 20 2011 00:05 GMT
#2258
18 yo's do tend to behave like kids, but their decisions hold weight and its something they need to understand. Although its clear that coL cant force Stephano to join, its also clear that some action needs to be taken in order to prevent this from happening again.
JackDanger
Profile Joined August 2011
United States37 Posts
September 20 2011 00:05 GMT
#2259
On September 20 2011 09:01 P0ckets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2011 08:50 zarepath wrote:
Stephano has handled this almost perfectly. What he should do now is announce an announcement (since he hasn't taken up enough of the TL forums today), announcing a one-hour special next week where he sits down with djWheat and decides which team he's going to join. He can call it "the Decision."


YES! +1 for this man. Lebron James all over.


This only works if he also announces his old friends Thorzain and Naniwa are joining him on Millenium. Bonus points for an over-the-top intro at Millenium Stadium (build a goddamn stadium so this can happen).
Bluest
Profile Joined September 2010
133 Posts
September 20 2011 00:06 GMT
#2260
First, I'm not so sure Stephano can't still join CoL. If CoL wants him he can and they certainly haven't ruled it explicitly yet. More importantly, if CoL doesn't do anything to enforce these contracts it will make all their contracts and the contracts they get people to sign in the future useless pieces of paper. Frankly, it wouldn't be a bad idea for all e-sports teams tocome together and spend a few grand here to help CoL out so they could collectively send a message here.
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