EPTEven if it was a mistake Stephano has liability to the contract that he signed. He is 18 and if he was signing a foreign contract, he should have sought to see what foreign laws apply. coL pursuing a legal resolution to this fiasco is good for e-sports and brings more legitimacy to the industry. And thus demands a higher level of professionalism from those trying to live off of this industry.
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AEsgaims
United States237 Posts
Even if it was a mistake Stephano has liability to the contract that he signed. He is 18 and if he was signing a foreign contract, he should have sought to see what foreign laws apply. coL pursuing a legal resolution to this fiasco is good for e-sports and brings more legitimacy to the industry. And thus demands a higher level of professionalism from those trying to live off of this industry. | ||
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ShadowDrgn
United States2497 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:17 Deshkar wrote: I really dislike contract breaches, especially since we all aspire to legitimize E-Sports. Contract breaches happen regularly in American football, and that's a legitimate sport. Just look at college coaches -- those guys don't seem to ever honor their contracts. I'm not saying this is good for e-sports, but I don't think it hurts its legitimacy at all. | ||
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OzVelas
Bulgaria516 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:24 Ownos wrote: That's pretty much the goal. It was in the linked article. They likely will not get Stephano. They probably wouldn't accept him back. They're just going to make an example out of Millennium. :X How ? They have 0 chance to win if they take action in france. Stephano has a period to retract from his contract, its a french law and french law rules in france. | ||
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hypnoxide
240 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:04 Slider954 wrote: 2 wrongs don't make a right, and calling attention to the fact that you are trolling isn't very smart. Suggest you take a few minutes and read the 10 commandments. 0 fucks. | ||
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Piotr
26 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:23 Callosum wrote: That's interesting, what does it mean under French law? It means that when you have a contract with an employer you have a duty of loyalty. The employer has also this obligation. Both of them have to ease the execution of the contract (in fact it works for any kind of contracts). It is mainly defined by the case law. You can also add some clauses for exclusivity (for example after working in R&D in the company X you can't work in company Y which is a direct concurrent of X), that's why you have to read carefully your contract. The labor law in US and in France is not really defined by laws, it's common sense, case law and conventions. It is not a scientific issue. | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
Maybe this is unprofessional by a part (which ? We only have Col's version), but what it kills e-sport is your behaviour. You are just hating on everything, and never looking to understand facts or people who work hard to grow e-sport. | ||
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:24 s4life wrote: It's not about the money.. I mean, how much can they really sue Stephano for? .. This is about coL's image.. if they allow this to happen, what's stopping any other player from royally screwing them over again? So what are they going to win when they sue? Some token amount from Stephano? | ||
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Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
How are you not banned yet? | ||
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:34 Gevna wrote: This thread makes me so sad. I don't understand all this racism, and why there is no moderation. It's a problem between two teams. My education, my culture, or my sister have nothing to do here. Maybe this is unprofessional by a part (which ? We only have Col's version), but what it kills e-sport is your behaviour. You are just hating on everything, and never looking to understand facts or people who work hard to grow e-sport. There has been plenty of moderation, please go to the ban list to see it for yourself. You have to realize that it takes the mods some time to read all the posts, and not just on this thread, they still to moderate the rest of the forums regardless if this is the hot topic at the moment. TL mods do a fine job of keeping the forums decent and troll free. | ||
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
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deathly rat
United Kingdom911 Posts
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Callosum
United States56 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:31 CEO wrote: Contrary to what my name might suggest, I am not in fact a CEO. What kind of consequences would there be if a player signs for a year and then informs them the next day that he wants to revert his decision? Did the player do irreversible damage to the team now that he has wasted one of their invaluable days? It doesn't seem unreasonable to me to ask for a cancellation of such a contract if you realize just after signing that for whatever reason it was a bad decision. They lost more than a valuable day, they lost the right to sell stephano's skills to sponsors and fans, to take home potential prize-winnings from having him on the team, the damage of now competing against him in venues, etc. There are a host of potential damages. Sports contracts are frequently breached, and according to their terms, the flexibility concerning such breaches differs. Often coaches take pay cuts to have non-compete clauses kept out of their contracts, which leads to their flexibility to change teams when better offers come along. All negotiations, pre- and post-contract are at a price, however. In this case, there will be a price as well. The exact value will simply depend on negotiations. | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
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exShikari
Australia237 Posts
That attitude is totally going to get you far in life. TL is designed to keep moronic people like you away, thank god. | ||
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Jayrod
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
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exShikari
Australia237 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:39 RusHXceL wrote: we might as well forget this ever happen. "/ No way! We need to actually take this example as the main reason why we really need a SC2 governing body. | ||
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sunman1g
United States334 Posts
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hypnoxide
240 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:39 exShikari wrote: That attitude is totally going to get you far in life. TL is designed to keep moronic people like you away, thank god. Really? I thought TL was designed for elitist assholes to sit together and circle jerk to inflate their egos. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:32 OzVelas wrote: How ? They have 0 chance to win if they take action in france. Stephano has a period to retract from his contract, its a french law and french law rules in france. The contract was filed using American laws. He knew this, I'm guessing. The jurisdiction is in Texas, USA. It has nothing to do with French laws, it's American laws that matter in this case. | ||
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