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theBizness
United States696 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:52 zturchan wrote: Then what would you call the coL/Destiny fiasco? Certainly seemed like a similar thing to me. Difference is Destiny resolved it internally with col and there was no influence from another team. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 20 2011 05:11 Medrea wrote: Thats fine up until they sign a binding contract, which he did. User was temp banned for this post. God what fucking douchebag that guy was, glad he got a 2 day ban. + Show Spoiler + >.> heh Either way I hope Millennium and Stephano come out with a reasonable explanaition as to what is going on. | ||
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Shodaa
Canada404 Posts
On September 20 2011 09:53 VirgilSC2 wrote: Millennium is properly spelled with two N's. I may be wrong because it's been a few years, but I think from the Latin, Millenium (one n) means 1,000 anuses. Millennium in french is Millénium, with one n. This is kind of a weird situation : / Whatever happen tho, I will still be cheering for Stepheno. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On September 20 2011 10:00 Shodaa wrote: Millennium in french is Millénium, with one n. This is kind of a weird situation : / Whatever happen tho, I will still be cheering for Stepheno. I just remember there being a bunch of laughter at the Mazda Millenia because of the naming error XD Oh well, shows how ignorant of French I am, even though I lived there for 2 months. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
And then changing his mind and relying on "loopholes" to hopefully get out of it. :/ | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
And then changing his mind and relying on "loopholes" to hopefully get out of it. it's not a loophole in france as far as i know, it's more of a part of management-labor relations. unions and individuals have a lot more power in the workplace there than they do here, so it's not a surprise that they'd have a grace period for contracts where the one signing can back out. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
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Slider954
United States342 Posts
On September 20 2011 10:02 GhandiEAGLE wrote: Hmmm this is very similar to EG's problems. I can't see how in such an honor-based community, there can be so much drama I don't see how this similar to EG signings at all. All the moves that EG did were completely legal and above board. They may have not been popular with certain parts of the community but that's a different story. I equate this more with the Koreans pulling out of NASL after signing contracts to particpate. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
Complexity has a lot of experience with esports and legal dealings and I am pretty sure cut their teeth dealing with EG. Does Milennium have and experience with this or is this like a shark out for fish blood. the question is does complexity have the money and will to go through a possibly protracted legal battle over what, by this time next year, will probably be a mostly forgotten controversy despite their contentions about what kind of precedent this will set. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On September 20 2011 10:06 DeepElemBlues wrote: it's not a loophole in france as far as i know, it's more of a part of management-labor relations. unions and individuals have a lot more power in the workplace there than they do here, so it's not a surprise that they'd have a grace period for contracts where the one signing can back out. And what do you think the definition of "loophole" is. It may or may not be legally okay for him to do this, but it's still pretty ridiculous to sign a contract then back out less than 24 hours later. While I do hope the issue is resolved, It would be interesting to see what would happen if this went to court....wherever that may be XD | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5080 Posts
And what do you think the definition of "loophole" is. The definition of a loophole is something that allows you to get out of an obligation based on a technicality. That is not the case here as the grace period is not a technicality, it is as far as I know a conventional part of French labor laws/relations... It may or may not be legally okay for him to do this, but it's still pretty ridiculous to sign a contract then back out less than 24 hours later. This is based on what knowledge you possess? | ||
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TheRealFluid
United States501 Posts
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EnSky
Philippines1003 Posts
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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Callosum
United States56 Posts
On September 20 2011 10:19 EnSky wrote: Another contract drama again? Seems like SC2 teams and players need to enroll in a training course for contract signing and stuff. hehe If esports keep growing, eventually agents will represent players on contract signings, avoiding these awkward situations. | ||
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skyrunner
371 Posts
if he was like 14 i'd understand | ||
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Apom
France656 Posts
On September 20 2011 10:06 DeepElemBlues wrote: 1. This "grace period" is not mandatory. It has to be explicitly written in the employment contract, or it doesn't exist. It would be perfectly valid, under French law, for Stephano to sign an employment contract without it. However, in practice I do not know any long-term employment contract that does not have such a provision, because :it's not a loophole in france as far as i know, it's more of a part of management-labor relations. unions and individuals have a lot more power in the workplace there than they do here, so it's not a surprise that they'd have a grace period for contracts where the one signing can back out. 2. What you call "backing out" is not limited to the employee. It is equally possible for the employer to back out during this "grace period", and in practice it is the more common occurence (the reason for this is that dismissing an employee after this point is fairly difficult in French law, hence some employers will abuse the grace period to repeatedly hire people for one day less than the grace period). 3. There is actually something similar in British law. However, it is much easier to dismiss employees in British law than in French law, so this disposition is almost never seen across the Channel (which kind of proves that it is actually more attractive to companies than to workers, and not merely the product of *cough* French communism). 4. While you personnally did not use those terms, I have often seen terms such as "breach", "break" or "void" the contract to describe using the "grace period" provision. All those terms are inadequate. A more adequate term is "terminate". The contract is no longer applicable, but it was applicable up to that point, and all its obligations were held (by both parties : employee had to work, employer had to pay). You do not breach, or break, or void anything when you terminate your WoW subscription, and this is exactly the same. | ||
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