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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:26 ZAiNs wrote: It's actually pretty difficult, if they get off a few Fungals your army will probably die because you can't kill Overlords as fast as you would hope, even with a lot of Stalkers. Things should be hard. Gives the game complexity. | ||
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Geo.Rion
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:27 Blazinghand wrote: On the other hand, things like muta-stacking with an overlord in BW was basically a bug that shouldn't have been possible (or wraith-stacking with a sieged-up tank), and yet became a crucial element of gameplay. How the game was designed and how it ought to be played are not always the same. Easier said than done, given that stalkers don't have quite the burst dps of marines against overlords. Still, I thought it made games pretty exciting to watch  Since im seeing you are one who is defending it pretty hard, even if it is a bug. The gw test that I mentioned up above. Can you tell me how exactly that is fair? | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:16 windsupernova wrote: This sounds like a bug, it will probably get fixed before the patch releases. I don´t know why all the rage..... its seriously getting stupid. Edit: And lol, why so many people act as if Zerg had a 0 winrate a few months ago? It was P favoured but the stats show that it was never something ridiculous. Gosh At the highest level it was very P favored, unless you were playing inca. I hope they fix this a little bit, baneling bombs are always fun to watch/use and aren't overpowered in the slightest. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:26 TolEranceNA wrote: It is so funny to watching protoss laughing at one of the only innovative zerg tactic every invented being removed from the game so they can 1-A like before. It is so funny to watch zergs overreact as multiple people in this thread have already said that baneling drops are still possible. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:23 Jayrod wrote: You guys are reading this exactly backwards. First of all, its a bug fix... what was bugged before is now unbugged... keep that in mind. What is happening in 1.3 is that zerg players are able to drop banelings onto armies that are completely balled up and, thus, should leave no landing zone for the zerg to drop their banes. Baneling drops should NOT be able to be performed AT ALL in situations where there is no landing zone... that is by design... its the same for all drop ships... you cannot drop your units onto an area that is occupied by other ground units. The bug is being fixed in 1.4 so now banelings are no longer the exception to that rule. If any of you watch Liquid`Tylers stream when its up you'll see alot of times he balls his stalkers up intentionally to eliminate possible landing area for baneling bombs... You'll also see that it NEVER works... its through no fault of his own, but rather, through the fault of this bug, which is being fixed. Does it affect gameplay? Absolutely. Should that gameplay have been possible to begin with? Absolutely not. lol what. If it's balanced, there's no reason it shouldn't be included. It's one of Zerg's only counters to the deathball, and in fact, it creates for some of the most exciting micro there is. Terran can't land their units in those spaces because Terran units don't die upon impact of landing, which is what the banelings are doing. In fact, the change doesn't even make sense, why wouldn't you want to drop volatile explosives directly on the enemy as opposed to in an open area. Logically it doesn't make sense, balance wise it personally doesn't make sense to me, especially with the infestor nerfs. Why in the world would you ball your stalkers, everyone knows it doesn't have that effect, I'd be super disappointed in Tyler if he was intentionally doing that. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:29 Logros wrote: It is so funny to watch zergs overreact as multiple people in this thread have already said that baneling drops are still possible. People were speculating that it may be still possible. Nobody has demonstrated it. | ||
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ishkabibble
Canada161 Posts
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TheKefka
Croatia11752 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:29 Logros wrote: It is so funny to watch zergs overreact as multiple people in this thread have already said that baneling drops are still possible. It's not possible in the video because the change is obviously bugged as I said it like 100 times already and I have no idea how people can seriously think this will go live. Bane drops will work and it will work the way it says in the patch notes. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:11 LovE-z33k wrote: That video is crazy.. sucks for all you zergs haha. But I'm sure blizz will fix this, unless it was intentional? I don't get why it would be. Because you can't drop units where they don't have room to land? So the baneling has to land on an open area, even if it is right next to the protoss unit. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:29 ohampatu wrote: Since im seeing you are one who is defending it pretty hard, even if it is a bug. The gw test that I mentioned up above. Can you tell me how exactly that is fair? Sorry can you rephrase? I don't understand the following sentence: "The gw test that I mentioned up above." It's a bit early in the morning and I haven't really had my coffee lol. | ||
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ETisME
12627 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:23 Jayrod wrote: You guys are reading this exactly backwards. First of all, its a bug fix... what was bugged before is now unbugged... keep that in mind. What is happening in 1.3 is that zerg players are able to drop banelings onto armies that are completely balled up and, thus, should leave no landing zone for the zerg to drop their banes. Baneling drops should NOT be able to be performed AT ALL in situations where there is no landing zone... that is by design... its the same for all drop ships... you cannot drop your units onto an area that is occupied by other ground units. The bug is being fixed in 1.4 so now banelings are no longer the exception to that rule. If any of you watch Liquid`Tylers stream when its up you'll see alot of times he balls his stalkers up intentionally to eliminate possible landing area for baneling bombs... You'll also see that it NEVER works... its through no fault of his own, but rather, through the fault of this bug, which is being fixed. Does it affect gameplay? Absolutely. Should that gameplay have been possible to begin with? Absolutely not. immortal were designed to tank damage rather than that burst dps (from the words of bliz) would you say immortal should never have that dps? | ||
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Jermstuddog
United States2231 Posts
I don't think Blizzard intended for Marines to do sick DPS while moving. | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:29 Logros wrote: It is so funny to watch zergs overreact as multiple people in this thread have already said that baneling drops are still possible. Its always been funny. I mean man, even a few zergs coming in touting the 'P is op at highest levels' talk about the past. P has never been highest level. Terran and Toss can't do it. Neither should Zerg be able to. You can STILL drop. But now you have to deal with the same issues we have. Your not the only dropping race. Your just the only dropping race that abuses dropping onto 'filled' areas. Id like to see a zerg argue about the example i stated with gw's. Toss/Terran can't drop on a square ball of 8 gw's. But a zerg can drop banes all over it. Not balanced. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:31 Sated wrote: Zergs realise that this is a bugfix, right? Units shouldn't be able to be dropped onto locations were there literally isn't any space for them. Can you imagine a Protoss ball politely making room for a marine to land in the middle of them? Of course not. The same is true with Banelings. Sounds like this is the dropship equivalent of stopping buildings landing by putting a unit under them. What has "supposed to be -x-" got to do with anything? As already mentioned there were plenty of bugs in BW that made the balance what it was. ZvT would be unwinnable without mutalisk stacking. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On September 13 2011 02:26 hugman wrote: Bug or not it's a very important part of the game. There are plenty of good bugs in many esports titles, strafe jumping for one, mulatisk stacking is another Is it important because its exploitable or important because nothing has been created to be more innovative than dumping banelings on your enemy? Regardless most people tend to split their units as a response to overlords coming at them. Balling them up is going to be risky for Protoss players to do since their DPS will shrink and the Zerg can concave better with roaches. Bringing a bunch of overlords could be used as a feint tactic I suppose -_____- | ||
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