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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:43 Sandro wrote: I think MLG_Adam specifically said they aim to invite the returning champion (which, surprise, is always a korean terran) and 1t 1p and 1z. anaheim they got mma, boxer, mvp as the invites they could also invite the other races depending on the returning champ, not that hard for them to do. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
I want to see the players switch others to make moar drama :d And awards to the most funniest acts etc :D Let the MSL spirit live on with this action! I don't wanna miss my ceremonies without some Leta spirit  | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
Just 'Oh that guy is pretty good', 'Yeh the guy he's playing is pretty good too'. Let's see who wins. Sure I'll tune in for the semi's and the finals if it's no TvT. But I couldn't care less about the earlier rounds or who are actually playing the finals. And the terrible free quality stream doesn't help either. | ||
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Grobian
Germany13 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:02 lizzard_warish wrote: I can put my finger on why GSL is getting boring, and so can most people from what I've seen; watching thirty tvt's in a row is fucking gay. User was warned for this post ^this, pls dont ban me, but its the truth.. i still love gsl, i'm but also enjoy tvz but tvt... no sry enough is enough User was temp banned for this post for martyring. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
Also, TvT's are apparently awful, but they provide everything everyone complains for. longer games, strategic games, drop play, multiple engagements, varying strategies. non-all ins. macro play, with some cheesy play mixed in. How many TvT's have you seen this GSL that followed the exact same build. How many games have you watched of PvP's that came down to who 4gated better. or ZvZ on who ling/baned better or who got roaches first. TvT is one of the few mirror matchups that has a constantly evolving meta game, yet people constantly complain about it. Sure, of course, TvZ would be awesome to watch, and we do get to see it often, but mirror matches are inevitable. Telling gomtv to somehow not have so many TvT's is kinda stupid. Yes, i know, Protoss is in a bad spot right now, losing to both T 1/1/1's and Z current metagame, but how long did P suffer in BW before Bisu came along and revolutionized the game? I mean, it's weird to me to hear about "getting boring" after just a handful of GSLs. Yes the finals haven't been amazing, but is that Gom's fault? I feel like changing the format won't suddenly make it better. Players getting stomped by players who are entire tiers better than them are why the finals haven't been as exciting right? How is adding in randoms from an open bracket going to make this more fun? Because occassionally we'll see our favorite heroes get cheesed out by some random unknown? I love MLG, i Love GSL, i watch both religiously. I fail to see how GSL has declined in it's watchability. Mvp doing as well as he has without relying on 1/1/1 has only made this final even more fun to watch as he takes on Top the underdog who is trying to prove himself to the world. So can people elaborate why TvT is so boring to watch unless it's the fact that players actually don't like long games, and only want to watch their own races? | ||
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:36 Highways wrote: Too much games and super high frequency of them. GOM needs to gave a break or show less games. THIS. I prefer having maybe 3 GSL individual tournaments per year, and with the focus on team leagues that span a whole season. Watching GSL now, I feel like I'm watching it on warp speed. This could just be a symptom of me being used to the OSL/MSL/Proleague format, but every game was BIG and you could follow it for a whole year (proleague) and it felt like watching Hockey or Football all season long. Ups and downs, reversals, planning time, and a chance to really get a feel for a player. Slow it down folks. We already have incredible numbers of tournaments, it wouldn't hurt to give them a bit more meaning. 1/month is too much. | ||
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RainmanMP
United States1698 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:48 Kazeyonoma wrote: + Show Spoiler + something that confuses me about threads like this is that where are the stats that prove this? Also, TvT's are apparently awful, but they provide everything everyone complains for. longer games, strategic games, drop play, multiple engagements, varying strategies. non-all ins. macro play, with some cheesy play mixed in. How many TvT's have you seen this GSL that followed the exact same build. How many games have you watched of PvP's that came down to who 4gated better. or ZvZ on who ling/baned better or who got roaches first. TvT is one of the few mirror matchups that has a constantly evolving meta game, yet people constantly complain about it. Sure, of course, TvZ would be awesome to watch, and we do get to see it often, but mirror matches are inevitable. Telling gomtv to somehow not have so many TvT's is kinda stupid. Yes, i know, Protoss is in a bad spot right now, losing to both T 1/1/1's and Z current metagame, but how long did P suffer in BW before Bisu came along and revolutionized the game? I mean, it's weird to me to hear about "getting boring" after just a handful of GSLs. Yes the finals haven't been amazing, but is that Gom's fault? I feel like changing the format won't suddenly make it better. Players getting stomped by players who are entire tiers better than them are why the finals haven't been as exciting right? How is adding in randoms from an open bracket going to make this more fun? Because occassionally we'll see our favorite heroes get cheesed out by some random unknown? I love MLG, i Love GSL, i watch both religiously. I fail to see how GSL has declined in it's watchability. Mvp doing as well as he has without relying on 1/1/1 has only made this final even more fun to watch as he takes on Top the underdog who is trying to prove himself to the world. So can people elaborate why TvT is so boring to watch unless it's the fact that players actually don't like long games, and only want to watch their own races? A couple of TvT's are ok. Thirty TvT's in a row that last 30++ mins become boooooooooring | ||
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Miefer
Taiwan229 Posts
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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okrane
France265 Posts
1) Terrans. Too many of them. Too much TvT. And too many Terran wins over the other two races that leave me with a bad taste in my mouth. 2) BO1 There is a huge instability in their game format. With cheese being so potent in SC2, BO1s are a really bad deal. And with good players dropping in Code A because of some cheesy run in the RO32/UpAndDown matches, it really makes it bad to watch. 3) The Game Design Ball of unit vs Ball of unit is bad. Happens most in TvP, PvP and TvT. A tad less in Zerg match-ups which I find the most interesting to watch. But I might be biased on that. Anyway, if the game does not allow easier defenses to make place for more harrass and multiple action across the map, watching two dudes massing up armies and slamming them into each other gets old pretty fast. 4) No Drama and more especially not knowing a good number of players. Players like to cheer for players they feel they have a connection with. But there is a good number of players in the GSL who, even if good, dont have a personal story backing their personality. Guys like Polt, TOP to name a few are hard to cheer for if we can't relate to them in any way. Reasons I still watch the best/recommended matches. Because its the highest damn level of Starcraft in the world! | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:45 Zanno wrote: my take on PvP is it's like a warcraft 3 match that ends in 10 minutes on account of things actually die there's certainly a skill to it, but the current state of TvT resembles a game of brood war more than any of the other matchups, and as someone who's been following the scene on and off since flash was just that kid who cheesed bisu out, i find it to be the most entertaining matchup I find TvT to be the most entertaining matchup as well, and In that respect, I think we are in agreement. I think were our views diverge is where you consider other matchups not to play like a proper starcraft 2 matchup. This is likely because I was always a noob in BW, but it seems to me that the other matchups are as Proper as TvT, even if it's less positional. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree. | ||
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shrinkmaster
Germany947 Posts
Most of the Code A games are ruined by my own dislike for certain casters, which is entirely my fault, but in addition to the first point led to me not buying a season ticket this time. Another "problem" is the availability of sc2 related media. If i think that the current GSL is boring i just search TL or google for some other stuff. There're so many tournaments/ replays/ streams and free comments to watch that i'm not forced to pay for a season pass to watch good starcraft. Of course the european and north american tournaments don't produce as much top quality games as GSL, but i personally prefer watching some GOOD protoss and zerg games over watching the 1000th top notch TvT game. | ||
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TumbaSC
United States78 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:09 Hybris wrote: As a protoss player, I have lost alot of interest due to the severe lack of protoss players in code s. I still watch those protoss players religiously though. I find it incredibly hard to even do that. It's painful to watch Toss right now. MC not making it to code S doesn't improve things. I have to admit the TvT is getting to be a bit much. | ||
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starmeat_
105 Posts
Well, the majority of Code S is Terran. That means the majority of the matches are TvT's. How can players be called the best in the world where over 50% of their matches are TvT? (or ZvT or PvT) Shouldn't the best palyers in the world play a fair amount against Protoss and Zerg? I think we'll end up with a situation, if we haven't already, where some players remain in Code S just because they are excellent against Terran. For Code S to remain the tournament where the best players in the world prove themselves, there needs to be more Protoss and Zerg. I do not think GOMTV should be solving this problem. I do not agree when people mention, the only reason Code S has so many Terrans is because Terran seems to be the most popular race, since most, if not all the Bonjwas were Terran. I'm sure this is partially true, but there's been a steady influx of ever increasing numbers of Terran into Code S. Were this to be true, there would have been a disproportionate number of Terrans in Code S to begin with, which is not true. I am of the opinion that Terran is imbalanced on a design level with a massive number of viable tech paths as well as viable units at it's disposal. This, with the addition of mules as well as sensor towers. But this is just my opinion. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:45 Zanno wrote: my take on PvP is it's like a warcraft 3 match that ends in 10 minutes on account of things actually die there's certainly a skill to it, but the current state of TvT resembles a game of brood war more than any of the other matchups, and as someone who's been following the scene on and off since flash was just that kid who cheesed bisu out, i find it to be the most entertaining matchup Oh, come on. Don't reduce WC3 matches to PvP. WC3 games are much more entertaining. You can actually come back if you make a huge mistake, for one, and it's easier for strategy to have a larger effect on the outcome of a game. It's not about who has more units, which is what PvP often comes down to, but about the larger picture. The larger picture may or may not include lots and lots of towers though. (Infi ...) | ||
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Brainling
United States660 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:45 hotwings wrote: TvT is like watching nascar, there's a few good moments in an otherwise boooooooring event. If you got the time to sit down and watch all of it, it can be entertaining, otherwise it's not really worth it. Especially with all the other leagues and tournaments going on. Plus I think SC2 now is past the point of explosive growth in the number of openers and strats so there aren't as many metagame shifting strats as there were in earlier seasons. This is amusingly ironic, given the space redneck theme of Terran. | ||
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Shiori
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