EPTCode S might be losing entertainment value. - Page 9
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Brainling
United States660 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:56 Jakkerr wrote: If you can explain to me in what way it's entertaining to stare at siege tanks for 30+ minutes, that would be much appreciated because I still don't get it. Not every TvT is the 90 minute Boxer super stamina, killed all my SCV's, having 15 CC's to use just mules, staring at each other at map center, stalemate. Rarely do you actually sit and stare at siege tanks for 30 minutes. In a GOOD TvT, there will be an element of positioning (the tank lines you talk about) + drops + flanks around those lines, etc. I understand an over-emphasis on TvT can get boring, in the mental repetitive stress injury sort of way...but the hyperbole that every TvT is a 30 minute tank stand off is just that...hyperbole. | ||
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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
Something I would like to change is the Ro32 format...Bo1 isn't the best idea for a tournament of this level. Thanks to all the balance whiners for turning this thread in crying btw - good job. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
Much to the same degree that in MLG, they focus broadcasts on pool play, instead of the open bracket. Maybe you'll find a gem in the rough, but 98% of those matches won't be worth watching over the obviously more prestigious ones. | ||
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2plusthree
Russian Federation43 Posts
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icarly
United States400 Posts
TvT has the highest skillcap of the mirror matchups by far. MvP, Bomber, Nada, Polt, Top, Ryung-- these guys are legitimately good and better players-- mechanics, decision making, macro/micro-- then most players of the other races. Terran attracts more players and always will-- as does the human race in every other rts game. Players think 30 minute games are "boring", when they ignore the fact that the longer the game goes on the higher the chance the better player wins. 10 minute pvps may be exciting to some people but it is such a coinflip matchup that anyone can win. Naniwa/Huk/Mana can probably take series off any KR Protoss in the world. I highly doubt the same can be said for MvP, Bomber, Ryung in regards to facing foreign Terrans. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25561 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:58 TheButtonmen wrote: Like 1vs32 at one end of the bracket and 2vs31 and the far end? Not quite, but sort of. I'd maintain the current group play minitournament thing because that's baller, but seeding of "what tournament do you go into" would be done, and then another round of seeding coming out of group play, of course. If there are any stompfests they'd happen in group play, and the tournament itself will be excellent. | ||
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MCMXVI
Norway1193 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:09 Hybris wrote: As a protoss player, I have lost alot of interest due to the severe lack of protoss players in code s. I still watch those protoss players religiously though. QFT! I'll pay to watch Code A september, but if it turns out to be dominated by terrans again even if they are in the minority, I won't come back to watch any GSL for a while... | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:48 Kazeyonoma wrote: something that confuses me about threads like this is that where are the stats that prove this? Also, TvT's are apparently awful, but they provide everything everyone complains for. longer games, strategic games, drop play, multiple engagements, varying strategies. non-all ins. macro play, with some cheesy play mixed in. How many TvT's have you seen this GSL that followed the exact same build. How many games have you watched of PvP's that came down to who 4gated better. or ZvZ on who ling/baned better or who got roaches first. TvT is one of the few mirror matchups that has a constantly evolving meta game, yet people constantly complain about it. Sure, of course, TvZ would be awesome to watch, and we do get to see it often, but mirror matches are inevitable. Telling gomtv to somehow not have so many TvT's is kinda stupid. Yes, i know, Protoss is in a bad spot right now, losing to both T 1/1/1's and Z current metagame, but how long did P suffer in BW before Bisu came along and revolutionized the game? I mean, it's weird to me to hear about "getting boring" after just a handful of GSLs. Yes the finals haven't been amazing, but is that Gom's fault? I feel like changing the format won't suddenly make it better. Players getting stomped by players who are entire tiers better than them are why the finals haven't been as exciting right? How is adding in randoms from an open bracket going to make this more fun? Because occassionally we'll see our favorite heroes get cheesed out by some random unknown? I love MLG, i Love GSL, i watch both religiously. I fail to see how GSL has declined in it's watchability. Mvp doing as well as he has without relying on 1/1/1 has only made this final even more fun to watch as he takes on Top the underdog who is trying to prove himself to the world. So can people elaborate why TvT is so boring to watch unless it's the fact that players actually don't like long games, and only want to watch their own races? well it has a lot to do with terrans doing so well, therefore we see a lot of TvT's If Protoss or Zergs were dominating and taking over the majority, then you will see people complain about PvP or ZvZ. I enjoy watching high level TvT, the TOP and Polt series was really good. | ||
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1st_Panzer_Div.
United States621 Posts
I don't even find all the TvT boring, in fact the code A finals was pretty great. It's just that every freaking game is TvT. Maybe the patch will fix it. and Code S will rocket into pure awesome. GomTvT  | ||
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Towni
Austria144 Posts
The first 3 GSL tours which were OPEN were the most entertaining for me. Would be really nice if they would set up a new system which could be like a mixture of MLG and Open Tourny. | ||
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Devil Trigger
United States107 Posts
I believe as a fan you should always want good games first. Any other reason is usually homerism and wrong. A lot of people in here are complaining about TvT. I think the match-up was great when it was bio/siege tanks vs bio/siege tanks, but the current metagame with blue flame hellions makes for bad games. They rely less on skill and more on getting lucky harassing the workers. | ||
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BigBadBeaver
Canada272 Posts
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HoldenR
Netherlands256 Posts
The next GSL code S is going to have another 20 or so terrans, with 4 or 5 protoss and 6 or 7 zerg. It's just not fun. It wouldn't be fun if each match up was PvP or ZvZ either, but at least those games tend to end more quickly. And I know balance whining yada yada, but there really are balance problems when 60% of an SC2 tournament exists out of one race. It decreases the entertainment value for spectators, and blizzard needs to step in if they want to keep SC2 in the running as being a serious e-sport. The next patch is not good enough, it only makes hellions a bit less strong. Ghosts, marines, 1/1/1, etc. are not addressed. | ||
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Kracklings
United States116 Posts
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cpomz
United States76 Posts
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common_cider
342 Posts
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BrogMeister
Sweden22 Posts
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thatsundowner
Canada312 Posts
On September 08 2011 06:59 Sated wrote: Are you trying to say that you wouldn't have to win games to stay in Code S if a Best of-3 system was used? Erm... Lol? EDIT: A lot of people bitch about player-retention in pools at MLG. No, I said you should have to win games to stay in Code S. Currently if you take one game off your group you don't advance, but you don't get knocked down either. Watching the same 32 players each season would be far worse than how it is currently, if you can't do well in your group or during up&down matches then you don't deserve to be in Code S. It should be unstable. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
Also to many terrans. Also don't say these things like they're facts... if you do weakminded people will suddenly start feeling as if something is a sinking ship and you'll get the NASL startup all over again. EDIT: I think the topic is a damned bad idea because I'd never enjoy watching any of my favorites get terminated by some new blood scrub, unless it was insanely good but most probably it'd be cheese. | ||
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