... well gee, people find a tournament that lasts for a month less interesting than one that lasts a weekend.

You don't have to look any further than that.

Personally I still love the GSL, but I certainly lose interest when my favorite players are knocked out and there are weeks until I'll see them play again. Unlike MLG, where I can continue watching great games the next hours and discuss who might make it instead ...

matus2442

United States7 Posts

September 07 2011 22:09 GMT

#182

The main reason I am losing interest in GSL is because of the schedule. Before MLG got big, and other tournaments became big, GSL was the main source of high level play, meaning I would stay up late/get up early to watch. Now with MLG and so many other tournaments and good players streaming, I find no need to watch GSL and lose sleep.

rareh

Portugal298 Posts

September 07 2011 22:10 GMT

#183

If people don't want TvT watch Code A they have 10 P 8 T 11 Z atm.

unoriginalname

England380 Posts

September 07 2011 22:11 GMT

#184

GSL is one of the few tournaments I still find exciting, I used to watch nearly every competition I could but after discovering the difference in skill I'm almost exclusively GSL now.

I think the GSL tournament system promotes the best players that are consistent, something which MLG does not do when you have people such as iNcontroL staying in the Championship Pool despite abysmal results. Even if one player had a strong run for once and gets into Code S, they need to show they are consistent and capable of progressing further in other tournaments.

The problem that I have with the GSL which I have spoken on before, is its frequency. If it took place twice a year, there would be much more hype concerning it, but then that runs the issue of Koreans having one of their few tournaments that they can get to, reduced to a state that it may not be enough to support those who cannot travel to foreign events.

Of course TvT's can be boring to watch, but that can be said of any match-up, of course Moletrap and DOA are not up to the Day[9] and Husky or Tastosis standard but good casters are hard to come by.

I'm a minority voice in this thread, but I'm more concerned about the entertaining, highest-skill level games rather than the entertaining atmosphere.

Kamikiri

United States1319 Posts

September 07 2011 22:11 GMT

#185

The only time that i am bored of the GSL is when its later in the rounds and nothing but TvT. Whenever i watch the GSL and theres actually some protoss or zerg playing i couldnt be happier.

Not that i dont like TvT its just, watching the same matchup over and over and over again gets boring.

Brainling

United States660 Posts

September 07 2011 22:11 GMT

#186

I responded to some anti-TvT stuff, but never actually responded to the OP...kind of rude of me.

I find GSL very interesting, but in a completely different way than MLG. GSL is like ESPN to me. When I want a high level SC2 fix, it's there. I can login, see some high level games, then go about my day. It's great to "pick up and go".

MLG is more like the Super Bowl (extended over several days). It's something I block time out of my schedule to watch, and I get super hyped for. That doesn't always mean the Super Bowl is more interesting than a random college game on ESPN (sometimes it's not actually), but it is an EVENT that I can get hyped for and follow, maybe throw a viewing party or go to a bar craft with 100 other nerds.

FryktSkyene

United States1327 Posts

September 07 2011 22:12 GMT

#187

GSL takes up so much time. And when TvT gets played over..and over and over it can take hours..which means i'm not playing SC or watching other streams/games.

So I don't even bother to buy a ticket anymore since all I wanna see is protoss games and there are so few its not worth it.

Uncultured

United States1340 Posts

September 07 2011 22:12 GMT

#188

On September 08 2011 07:06 Kracklings wrote:
the video quality just sucks. stay yp till 3am to watch that? hardly worth it when other torunies stream very nice quality

This is actually very true. Almost impossible to see what is going on in battles at this quality

Couple that with a lack of entertaining protoss games and I'm just not very vested in the GSL at all anymore.

HyruleanTubist

United States189 Posts

September 07 2011 22:12 GMT

#189

I think GSL would do well to have a rebroadcast for America and Europe at reasonable hours. If it were on somewhere around prime time I'd be watching daily. As is, 4am is a tall, tall order. My opinion is to complement GSL we need a tournament akin to OSL or MSL, where only the top 4 survive to the next tournament, and top 12 below that are only guaranteed Ro32 (I think?). The rest is an open tournament that happens every month. That would really spice up the Korean scene and make things super interesting over there.

Snackysnacks

United States411 Posts

September 07 2011 22:13 GMT

#190

One of the main problems after following from the start of the sc2 season is that you get attached to a few cirtan pro players. Soon after everything else becomes moot untill those few players come on, then its the time for all the hype. Each and every person attaches to different individuals and when they fail, lose interest in the tournament as a whole (where the whole TvT thing comes in for those who are zerg/protoss).

The big big BIG thing i wish gom would host and feature more is the team play. That element of surprise for a new-coming teammate or all-kill is great. Following team scenes for trading/practicing. Understanding the life and deals behind each player, thats something more eye catching to watch.
Its just alot more energetic, overall.

Belha

Italy2850 Posts

September 07 2011 22:13 GMT

#191

As a P player i lost interest cose i'm tired of watch how in the highest level, P got raped again and again, AND i find boring the TvT fest.

windsupernova

Mexico5280 Posts

September 07 2011 22:13 GMT

#192

LOL at comparing to MLG.

MLG, Dreamhack are events that come every once in a while. GSL is pretty much on all the time, that is why MLG feels more ¨exciting¨ .

All the people saying its because TvT are just being petty. Korean terrans are just too good so they dominate, I honestly can´t say that any of the Terrans in Code S don´t deserve to be there.

And even if TvT was the reason GSTL is still great and you get to see some awesome players from all races(even people playing random!). I love GSL you guys are all crazy

Edit: Just to be clear, I have been buying my season pass since last season. GSL and GSTL at reasonable hours and it glorious HD @___@

Dommk

Australia4865 Posts

September 07 2011 22:13 GMT

#193

On September 08 2011 07:06 cpomz wrote:
To be fair - I enjoy watching TvT (Nada vs Puma at MLG comes to mind) because of its change in metagame (korean terrans thinking how to beat other koreans terrrans), but there has to be some racial diversity, or else it just becomes stale. Thats why I have stopped watching GSL 1. because of hours, and 2. because it is a bit stale and too common

Yeah, it has to do with the shear quantity really. I don't mind watching players like Puma, MVP or Bomber go at it, but I really can't be bothered sitting through 2-3 TvT's featuring medicore Terrans just to watch a great TvP/ZvP/TvT

On days like those I've found myself not watching GSL all together.

At least TvT is a decent match up. ZvZ/PvP has its thrills but TvP these days is godawful to watch with all the one base all-ins, feels like we are back in GSL Season 1 :S

ckunkel1

United States181 Posts

September 07 2011 22:15 GMT

#194

To be honest I think the month tournament is to long to keep many peoples attention. MLG is so compacted and everyone can stay excited about it for the whole time it is on. I have a hard time getting excited about GSL for the whole entire month. Also the lack of foreigners does not help there cause. MLG has so few koreans that they have a huge chance of a foreigner knocking out a korean throughout the weekends, which adds to all the excitement.

soullogik

United States1171 Posts

September 07 2011 22:15 GMT

#195

i do enjoy mlg but in all honesty the best matches i seen of sc2 have been in the gsl.
the recent ro4 code s was super entertaining.

i guess personally, the reason i still may enjoy gsl above all else is I love all matchups (cept zvz/pvp, which aren't very common).

even tvt

i agree tho, that maybe a rebroadcast during usa primetime, would be super helpful in maintaining/growing the community

sitromit

7051 Posts

September 07 2011 22:16 GMT

#196

I love the GSL and I think the format is fine, but too much TvT and overall Terran dominance makes it boring sometimes. I have no interest in watching the finals this season, for example. TvT is my least favorite matchup by far.

ucbEntilZha

United States96 Posts

September 07 2011 22:17 GMT

#197

I think that your idea is too extreme and as several posters have said, is exactly what GOM didn't want to do. Now, given that, I could see the possibility that 1 or 2 slots for code s (or another small number) qualify from an open bracket. Problem with this approach is that this is already very similar to what Code A is and is the purpose of Code A. Also, I still prefer GOM, the games tend to be better in my oppinion and they have there VOD system almost perfect. MLG only just got their VODS and after watching some NASL with a friend and seeing how terrible their VOD system is I won't be buying that ticket unless I hear good things about it.

krisss

Luxembourg305 Posts

September 07 2011 22:18 GMT

#198

I always bought a season ticket so far, but i seriously consider skipping next season. The reason is often said: terrans!
I can never understand why a human being can try to play such a game professionally, knowing about the balance issues etc etc. And when i have my favorites in the GSL getting pwned by a bunker rush which i could do after playing 2 weeks terran.. i feel so sorry for every zerg player.

same with the 111 against toss. I dont want to start a balance discussion, im jst saying that i have the feeling that terran players have it so much easier atm than any other race.. therefore i wont continue watching this. I have greatest respect for the pros still trying to keep up with the terrans.. i would have quit long time ago.

flodeskum

Iceland1267 Posts

September 07 2011 22:18 GMT

#199

I don't hate TvT, but I like the other matchups more.

Or I should say I used to like the others more. Recent GSL games have taken a turn back to the 1 base all-ins (especially in pvt).

So not only am I seeing less of my favorite matchups but the quality of those games has significantly decreased.

I was so pumped to see MVP vs Nestea and then... oh, I guess you can make bunkers there... damn.

I still watch the GSL and the TvTs have been very good recently. But when a tournament is so dominated by a single race it just doesn't have the same appeal to me.

Probe1

United States17920 Posts

September 07 2011 22:19 GMT

#200

It's funny that you suggest ways to have new blood infused when many new faces are in Code S. I don't understand what people you're referring to but I disagree with them and question their intelligence.