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On September 02 2011 12:47 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:42 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:41 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:40 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:39 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:37 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:25 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:00 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:58 FawkingGoomba wrote:
Two people have no obligation to provide good games for others. This is entirely different from throwing games for sports bettors, since both competitors agree to it and nobody besides them benefits. Obviously they shouldn't do it publicly, but it's their right to come to an agreement. If you don't like it, get better and don't let them get to the finals. I don't care if the games are good. I care about the knowledge that both players have dedicated themselves 100% to trying to win that match. I don't care if they marine scv all in 4 games in a row to win a best of 7, if that wins them games they should do it. Although if that wins them games, Blizzard needs to do some patching. They aren't obligated to try their best. You people are so damn delusional. Prize money splitting happens in literally every competition and there is NOTHING wrong with it. Them throwing games has zero impact on anyone else. They are NOT obligated to provide good games. If you have a problem with it, go beat them and stop whining that your viewing experience has been ruined. Good games and trying their best are different things, and I know that they're not obligated to try their best or provide good games. The reason I'm against prize money splitting is that it discourages players putting the maximum possible effort into that game. Because players are not obligated to try their best I want them to at least be ENCOURAGED to try their best rather than just "meh, no difference where I place now I'll just do whatever". And whining about my viewing experience being ruined is actually more important than you think. How long do you think SC2 would last as an e-sport (and hence how long would these pro gamers still be getting paid) if there were no viewers? Less viewers results in less revenue both for teams and for tournaments. Players not trying - or caring about the outcome of the game - results in reduced viewers. Yes, the players have no obligation to provide good games but it is definitely in their best interests to do so. Say it was a physical sport instead. If the person who wins was just going to split the money with you anyway, would you really see people running so hard for so long that after the race they literally cannot stand up anymore? When I see that I know darn well that person has dedicated themselves to that race 100% and seeing them try their hardest improves the viewing experience. If they just casually jogged around a track nobody would give a shit and hence wouldn't watch. On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote:
it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it. And that sucks, seeing players actually care about the game they play makes the viewing experience better. they can just fake it then lol -_- That would be morally wrong. yeah porn is also morally wrong No it isn't! Fuck why would it be wrong if we were fucking practically hard wired to like the stuff. I'm pretty sure they fake emotions in porn to please the audience am I wrong?
Cuz thats what im watching porn for. The emotions.
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On September 02 2011 12:46 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:41 enzym wrote:On September 02 2011 12:34 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:33 enzym wrote:On September 02 2011 11:39 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 11:34 roymarthyup wrote:On September 02 2011 11:33 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 11:29 Pills wrote:
Posted this in the Fenix to IM thread, but decided it was probably more appropriate here:
What Fenix did was a dick move, but I'm kinda happy it worked out like that. If TT1 really did throw away a couple of those games, then he deserved it. Agreements like these completely ruin the spirit of competition, and is a huge middle-finger to the fans that waited to see two deserving players duke it out for all the marbles.
Hopefully in the future, players will learn not to make these underhanded agreements. TT1 got his comeuppance, and it'll be funny to see if Fenix gets a taste of karma in the future. there's no such thing as "he deserved it" wtf is wrong with you people if TT1 really did throw the game where he went carriers then it's stupid and annoying for the viewers and his own reputation what Fenix did is an entirely different matter, he backed out of a deal he agreed to, this is stealing... its not stealing, its creative warfare tt1 should have won if he wanted the money yeah ok I get it you'll do whatever it takes to make more money even if it means deceiving people etc. we get it you should be a rolemodel for children No, that's you, undermining the competition "to even out variance" because you respect greed and money more than the tourney. how is it greedy to even out variance, that doesn't make sense lolol Going after money first and competition second is greedy by definition, and that is exactly what you are defending throughout the entire thread, which is a pathetic thing to do for anyone who considers himself a sportsman. The price is there in order to increase the significance of achieving a certain placement, as an incentive for the players to do well. You argue in favor of killing that incentive which is part of the rules of the tournament for financial security. You undermine the competition. The only ways to avoid this is to a) remove prizes entirely b) enforce rules prohibiting sharing c) have 100% of the money go to the teams, who distribute it in form of salaries based on performance only. Anything else is undermining the competition and should have no place in any sport. If you want to establish that seeing esport as sport, or poker as sport is not the right perspective to take then you're welcome to go ahead. But I don't think that it will help your popularity and the popularity of esports a lot (maybe I'm wrong on esports, it's still in its baby shoes, and I don't know anything about poker so idc about that). you still didn't get that there are definitely gains to be made from getting first place even if the prize money is split evenly
You still didn't get that it doesn't matter how many other aspects of the prize exist.
Undermining the tournament by redistributing one part of it in any way that is not in accordance with how the tournament (rules) layed it out is still undermining the tournament. You are not the manager of the tournament, you are nothing but a player.
I'd say share it after and it'd be fine, but since people evidently can't be trusted not to make shady deals before the tournament is finished we can't have that.
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Winning f.e. MLG is worth more then the prize money. You get $2K more then 2nd place but you probably get more then that in the way of sponsorships and fan attention.
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On September 02 2011 12:47 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:44 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:41 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:40 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:38 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote:
it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
Been there. Disagree. you've faced a teammate in finals for a significant amount of money where 1st and 2nd place were far apart? Define significant amount of money. 4 digits yes, 5 or more no. Somehow playing for 5 grand, or 10 grand. I think my moral foundation would hold true. what about 1 million dollars Like. 1st place gets 1 million. And 2nd gets nothing? Not gonna lie. I would probably breakdown then. And it would still be wrong. And I would applaud anyone who turned down such a deal emphatically. If its like 1 million 1st, 600k second? Yeah I would probably hold fast.
so in the end it's not really about principle it's about the amount of money involved to you, which makes you not any different
there's really nothing wrong with doing that, competitive players will try their hardest wether or not there is money to be won
do you see kiwi throwing games? even though the money he can win from these tourneys doesn't mean jackshit to him?
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On September 02 2011 12:42 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:42 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:41 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:40 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:39 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:37 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:25 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:00 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:58 FawkingGoomba wrote:
Two people have no obligation to provide good games for others. This is entirely different from throwing games for sports bettors, since both competitors agree to it and nobody besides them benefits. Obviously they shouldn't do it publicly, but it's their right to come to an agreement. If you don't like it, get better and don't let them get to the finals. I don't care if the games are good. I care about the knowledge that both players have dedicated themselves 100% to trying to win that match. I don't care if they marine scv all in 4 games in a row to win a best of 7, if that wins them games they should do it. Although if that wins them games, Blizzard needs to do some patching. They aren't obligated to try their best. You people are so damn delusional. Prize money splitting happens in literally every competition and there is NOTHING wrong with it. Them throwing games has zero impact on anyone else. They are NOT obligated to provide good games. If you have a problem with it, go beat them and stop whining that your viewing experience has been ruined. Good games and trying their best are different things, and I know that they're not obligated to try their best or provide good games. The reason I'm against prize money splitting is that it discourages players putting the maximum possible effort into that game. Because players are not obligated to try their best I want them to at least be ENCOURAGED to try their best rather than just "meh, no difference where I place now I'll just do whatever". And whining about my viewing experience being ruined is actually more important than you think. How long do you think SC2 would last as an e-sport (and hence how long would these pro gamers still be getting paid) if there were no viewers? Less viewers results in less revenue both for teams and for tournaments. Players not trying - or caring about the outcome of the game - results in reduced viewers. Yes, the players have no obligation to provide good games but it is definitely in their best interests to do so. Say it was a physical sport instead. If the person who wins was just going to split the money with you anyway, would you really see people running so hard for so long that after the race they literally cannot stand up anymore? When I see that I know darn well that person has dedicated themselves to that race 100% and seeing them try their hardest improves the viewing experience. If they just casually jogged around a track nobody would give a shit and hence wouldn't watch. On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote:
it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it. And that sucks, seeing players actually care about the game they play makes the viewing experience better. they can just fake it then lol -_- That would be morally wrong. yeah porn is also morally wrong No it isn't! Fuck why would it be wrong if we were fucking practically hard wired to like the stuff. We're hardwired to like heroin
No we aren't. You're not born with a heroin addiction unless your mum shot up while you were in her.
Heroin is a mind altering substance, we aren't hardwired to like it. When you take heroin it re-wires your brain to start liking it (addiction).
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I think splitting it 50/50 is bad for the game and stupid by whoever is in any degree better of the two players but I think it's fine to even out the prize money as tournaments tend to throw a lot of money at first place so they can go "WITH A GRAND PRIZE OF 10BAZILLION ESPORTS DOLLARS!!!" leaving everyone else who is generally not THAT much worse than the winner with disproportionately smaller winnings.
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On September 02 2011 12:42 exShikari wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:40 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:39 Almin2 wrote:On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote:
If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition? I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator. Players have no obligation to you. Yes they do. Without the fans they have no jobs. It's their responsibility to conduct themselves in a professional manner.
Actually, they really, really don't.
Put it this way: People buy books all the time -- without the readers, authors would have no jobs -- but the books aren't obligated to be any good at all. Readers are not entitled to anything from an author other than the actual material provided -- that is, the book, if they paid for it. If there's one thing I learned from waiting for GRRM to publish his latest book, it is that.
Likewise, the only thing viewers are entitled to are the games. The games themselves do not have to be good. Of course, it's harmful to SC2 as a sport if all games were bad, but honestly, we still all watch GSL regardless of the shit finals. Additionally, this deal making pretty much only happens between teammates, which means it's not very common. It's not rare either, so I'll settle on calling the occasion uncommon. Something as uncommon as deal-making is not going to make or break a sport.
And honestly, WC3 survived for a shit ton of time with this going on (and it's still powering strong in China), do you really think SC2 will die because of it? Most people can't tell the difference between a player giving it their all and a player giving only 90%, especially when you have other factors like fatigue, nerves, etc. affecting a player's condition.
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If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen.
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definatly not match fixing to me, cause for me personally as a competor, i strife to win tournaments. the money is just a cool bonus. but then again, i've been doing this as a hobby, not as a profession. that being said, i come from the teamgames sector, so sharing prizemoney obviously isnt something new to me. but then again, when we won money we didnt split it up to equals of our team, we split it depending on how high the travel costs for certain individuals were and put the rest in as backup for upcomming travels. and to be freaking honest, thats how a team should work.
in my opinion won prizemoney (or at least a part of, since its a 1v1 game were talking about) should always go into the teams budget, not just on the single player who simply won, cause afterall, without your teammates and practise partners you wouldnt have stood a chance to win the money in the first place. if you want to keep the money for yourself, thats completly fine by my books, but then you shouldnt be part of a team.
but yea, as said above, doesnt matter to me how high the prizemoney is, the satisfaction of winning is what makes tournament play worth playing. so wether if its a 0€ or 10.000€ tournament, the will to win is exactly the same. and i guess thats how most sc2 pro's see it aswell, cause afterall, they devote their lives to the competition and if they wouldnt have that will to win and have that goal to be the best, they might aswell do a normal job with higher and regular wages or just play poker :p
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On September 02 2011 12:48 FawkingGoomba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:45 Almin2 wrote:On September 02 2011 12:44 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:42 exShikari wrote:On September 02 2011 12:40 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:39 Almin2 wrote:On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote:
If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition? I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator. Players have no obligation to you. Yes they do. Without the fans they have no jobs. It's their responsibility to conduct themselves in a professional manner. Go play your best friend for 1 million dollars. Winner takes 90%, loser takes 10%. Then tell me that prize splitting should be banned. Go and tell me if they split money, that they played to the best of their ability regardless of monetary outcome. I don't think they would. They'd play well, but not, top of their game since they've already won. So you'd agree to play your best friend of same skill in sc2 for 1 million dollars 90/10 split?
1) The prize pool wouldn't be that skewed
2) Probably wouldn't be the first or last 1 million dollar tournament
3) No I would not split the money. It crosses a moral line.
If you won the lottery, would you give all your friends part of the pot, even if they also bought lottery tickets? I think not.
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On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen.
If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place.
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On September 02 2011 12:49 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:47 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:44 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:41 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:40 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:38 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote:
it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
Been there. Disagree. you've faced a teammate in finals for a significant amount of money where 1st and 2nd place were far apart? Define significant amount of money. 4 digits yes, 5 or more no. Somehow playing for 5 grand, or 10 grand. I think my moral foundation would hold true. what about 1 million dollars Like. 1st place gets 1 million. And 2nd gets nothing? Not gonna lie. I would probably breakdown then. And it would still be wrong. And I would applaud anyone who turned down such a deal emphatically. If its like 1 million 1st, 600k second? Yeah I would probably hold fast. so in the end it's not really about principle it's about the amount of money involved to you, which makes you not any different there's really nothing wrong with doing that, competitive players will try their hardest wether or not there is money to be won do you see kiwi throwing games? even though the money he can win from these tourneys doesn't mean jackshit to him?
It's not about the amount. Wrong is wrong. Im simply saying that a 1 million or nothing pot would probably break me. And it would still be wrong. Overly top heavy prizes are bad that way.
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On September 02 2011 12:48 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:47 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:42 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:41 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:40 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:39 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:37 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:25 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:00 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:58 FawkingGoomba wrote:
Two people have no obligation to provide good games for others. This is entirely different from throwing games for sports bettors, since both competitors agree to it and nobody besides them benefits. Obviously they shouldn't do it publicly, but it's their right to come to an agreement. If you don't like it, get better and don't let them get to the finals. I don't care if the games are good. I care about the knowledge that both players have dedicated themselves 100% to trying to win that match. I don't care if they marine scv all in 4 games in a row to win a best of 7, if that wins them games they should do it. Although if that wins them games, Blizzard needs to do some patching. They aren't obligated to try their best. You people are so damn delusional. Prize money splitting happens in literally every competition and there is NOTHING wrong with it. Them throwing games has zero impact on anyone else. They are NOT obligated to provide good games. If you have a problem with it, go beat them and stop whining that your viewing experience has been ruined. Good games and trying their best are different things, and I know that they're not obligated to try their best or provide good games. The reason I'm against prize money splitting is that it discourages players putting the maximum possible effort into that game. Because players are not obligated to try their best I want them to at least be ENCOURAGED to try their best rather than just "meh, no difference where I place now I'll just do whatever". And whining about my viewing experience being ruined is actually more important than you think. How long do you think SC2 would last as an e-sport (and hence how long would these pro gamers still be getting paid) if there were no viewers? Less viewers results in less revenue both for teams and for tournaments. Players not trying - or caring about the outcome of the game - results in reduced viewers. Yes, the players have no obligation to provide good games but it is definitely in their best interests to do so. Say it was a physical sport instead. If the person who wins was just going to split the money with you anyway, would you really see people running so hard for so long that after the race they literally cannot stand up anymore? When I see that I know darn well that person has dedicated themselves to that race 100% and seeing them try their hardest improves the viewing experience. If they just casually jogged around a track nobody would give a shit and hence wouldn't watch. On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote:
it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it. And that sucks, seeing players actually care about the game they play makes the viewing experience better. they can just fake it then lol -_- That would be morally wrong. yeah porn is also morally wrong No it isn't! Fuck why would it be wrong if we were fucking practically hard wired to like the stuff. I'm pretty sure they fake emotions in porn to please the audience am I wrong? Cuz thats what im watching porn for. The emotions.
I watch for the plot.
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On September 02 2011 12:44 FawkingGoomba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:42 exShikari wrote:On September 02 2011 12:40 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:39 Almin2 wrote:On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote:
If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition? I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator. Players have no obligation to you. Yes they do. Without the fans they have no jobs. It's their responsibility to conduct themselves in a professional manner. Go play your best friend for 1 million dollars. Winner takes 90%, loser takes 10%. Then tell me that prize splitting should be banned.
I don't think you're giving credit to the fact that the $1 million would come from a sponsor who is investing in what he believes to be a competition wherein such activity does not take place. If he is being mislead, he has recourse and neither of you gets that $1 million.
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On September 02 2011 12:53 Shaetan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:48 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:47 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:42 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:41 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:40 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:39 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:37 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:25 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:00 Tektos wrote:
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I don't care if the games are good. I care about the knowledge that both players have dedicated themselves 100% to trying to win that match.
I don't care if they marine scv all in 4 games in a row to win a best of 7, if that wins them games they should do it. Although if that wins them games, Blizzard needs to do some patching. They aren't obligated to try their best. You people are so damn delusional. Prize money splitting happens in literally every competition and there is NOTHING wrong with it. Them throwing games has zero impact on anyone else. They are NOT obligated to provide good games. If you have a problem with it, go beat them and stop whining that your viewing experience has been ruined. Good games and trying their best are different things, and I know that they're not obligated to try their best or provide good games. The reason I'm against prize money splitting is that it discourages players putting the maximum possible effort into that game. Because players are not obligated to try their best I want them to at least be ENCOURAGED to try their best rather than just "meh, no difference where I place now I'll just do whatever". And whining about my viewing experience being ruined is actually more important than you think. How long do you think SC2 would last as an e-sport (and hence how long would these pro gamers still be getting paid) if there were no viewers? Less viewers results in less revenue both for teams and for tournaments. Players not trying - or caring about the outcome of the game - results in reduced viewers. Yes, the players have no obligation to provide good games but it is definitely in their best interests to do so. Say it was a physical sport instead. If the person who wins was just going to split the money with you anyway, would you really see people running so hard for so long that after the race they literally cannot stand up anymore? When I see that I know darn well that person has dedicated themselves to that race 100% and seeing them try their hardest improves the viewing experience. If they just casually jogged around a track nobody would give a shit and hence wouldn't watch. On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote:
it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it. And that sucks, seeing players actually care about the game they play makes the viewing experience better. they can just fake it then lol -_- That would be morally wrong. yeah porn is also morally wrong No it isn't! Fuck why would it be wrong if we were fucking practically hard wired to like the stuff. I'm pretty sure they fake emotions in porn to please the audience am I wrong? Cuz thats what im watching porn for. The emotions. I watch for the plot.
Do you read the articles?
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On September 02 2011 12:52 Almin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:48 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:45 Almin2 wrote:On September 02 2011 12:44 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:42 exShikari wrote:On September 02 2011 12:40 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:39 Almin2 wrote:On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote:
If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition? I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator. Players have no obligation to you. Yes they do. Without the fans they have no jobs. It's their responsibility to conduct themselves in a professional manner. Go play your best friend for 1 million dollars. Winner takes 90%, loser takes 10%. Then tell me that prize splitting should be banned. Go and tell me if they split money, that they played to the best of their ability regardless of monetary outcome. I don't think they would. They'd play well, but not, top of their game since they've already won. So you'd agree to play your best friend of same skill in sc2 for 1 million dollars 90/10 split? 1) The prize pool wouldn't be that skewed 2) Probably wouldn't be the first or last 1 million dollar tournament 3) No I would not split the money. It crosses a moral line. If you won the lottery, would you give all your friends part of the pot, even if they also bought lottery tickets? I think not.
1) Exact percent don't really matter, there are tournaments with extremely skewed pots
2) Doesn't change the fact that it's 1million
3) Good joke.
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read carefully, they didn't just split the prize pool, someone forfeited matches so it was match fixing really
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On September 02 2011 12:53 Kaitlin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:44 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:42 exShikari wrote:On September 02 2011 12:40 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:39 Almin2 wrote:On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote:
If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition? I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator. Players have no obligation to you. Yes they do. Without the fans they have no jobs. It's their responsibility to conduct themselves in a professional manner. Go play your best friend for 1 million dollars. Winner takes 90%, loser takes 10%. Then tell me that prize splitting should be banned. I don't think you're giving credit to the fact that the $1 million would come from a sponsor who is investing in what he believes to be a competition wherein such activity does not take place. If he is being mislead, he has recourse and neither of you gets that $1 million.
This has actually happened before by the way. Maybe not 1 million but yeah.
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