What's the point of a tournament if everyone isn't playing seriously to win? You might as well watch people roll a dice and give the prize money to the highest roller.
On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote: it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
Been there. Disagree.
you've faced a teammate in finals for a significant amount of money where 1st and 2nd place were far apart?
Define significant amount of money. 4 digits yes, 5 or more no.
Somehow playing for 5 grand, or 10 grand. I think my moral foundation would hold true.
On September 02 2011 11:29 Pills wrote: Posted this in the Fenix to IM thread, but decided it was probably more appropriate here:
What Fenix did was a dick move, but I'm kinda happy it worked out like that. If TT1 really did throw away a couple of those games, then he deserved it. Agreements like these completely ruin the spirit of competition, and is a huge middle-finger to the fans that waited to see two deserving players duke it out for all the marbles.
Hopefully in the future, players will learn not to make these underhanded agreements. TT1 got his comeuppance, and it'll be funny to see if Fenix gets a taste of karma in the future.
there's no such thing as "he deserved it" wtf is wrong with you people
if TT1 really did throw the game where he went carriers then it's stupid and annoying for the viewers and his own reputation
what Fenix did is an entirely different matter, he backed out of a deal he agreed to, this is stealing...
its not stealing, its creative warfare
tt1 should have won if he wanted the money
yeah ok I get it you'll do whatever it takes to make more money even if it means deceiving people etc.
we get it you should be a rolemodel for children
No, that's you, undermining the competition "to even out variance" because you respect greed and money more than the tourney.
how is it greedy to even out variance, that doesn't make sense lolol
Going after money first and competition second is greedy by definition, and that is exactly what you are defending throughout the entire thread, which is a pathetic thing to do for anyone who considers himself a sportsman.
The price is there in order to increase the significance of achieving a certain placement, as an incentive for the players to do well. You argue in favor of killing that incentive which is part of the rules of the tournament for financial security. You undermine the competition.
The only ways to avoid this is to a) remove prizes entirely b) enforce rules prohibiting sharing c) have 100% of the money go to the teams, who distribute it in form of salaries based on performance only.
Anything else is undermining the competition and should have no place in any sport. If you want to establish that seeing esport as sport, or poker as sport is not the right perspective to take then you're welcome to go ahead. But I don't think that it will help your popularity and the popularity of esports a lot (maybe I'm wrong on esports, it's still in its baby shoes, and I don't know anything about poker so idc about that).
On September 02 2011 11:58 FawkingGoomba wrote: Two people have no obligation to provide good games for others. This is entirely different from throwing games for sports bettors, since both competitors agree to it and nobody besides them benefits. Obviously they shouldn't do it publicly, but it's their right to come to an agreement. If you don't like it, get better and don't let them get to the finals.
I don't care if the games are good. I care about the knowledge that both players have dedicated themselves 100% to trying to win that match.
I don't care if they marine scv all in 4 games in a row to win a best of 7, if that wins them games they should do it. Although if that wins them games, Blizzard needs to do some patching.
They aren't obligated to try their best. You people are so damn delusional. Prize money splitting happens in literally every competition and there is NOTHING wrong with it. Them throwing games has zero impact on anyone else. They are NOT obligated to provide good games. If you have a problem with it, go beat them and stop whining that your viewing experience has been ruined.
Good games and trying their best are different things, and I know that they're not obligated to try their best or provide good games.
The reason I'm against prize money splitting is that it discourages players putting the maximum possible effort into that game. Because players are not obligated to try their best I want them to at least be ENCOURAGED to try their best rather than just "meh, no difference where I place now I'll just do whatever".
And whining about my viewing experience being ruined is actually more important than you think. How long do you think SC2 would last as an e-sport (and hence how long would these pro gamers still be getting paid) if there were no viewers? Less viewers results in less revenue both for teams and for tournaments. Players not trying - or caring about the outcome of the game - results in reduced viewers. Yes, the players have no obligation to provide good games but it is definitely in their best interests to do so.
Say it was a physical sport instead. If the person who wins was just going to split the money with you anyway, would you really see people running so hard for so long that after the race they literally cannot stand up anymore? When I see that I know darn well that person has dedicated themselves to that race 100% and seeing them try their hardest improves the viewing experience. If they just casually jogged around a track nobody would give a shit and hence wouldn't watch.
On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote: it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it.
And that sucks, seeing players actually care about the game they play makes the viewing experience better.
they can just fake it then lol -_-
That would be morally wrong.
yeah porn is also morally wrong
No it isn't! Fuck why would it be wrong if we were fucking practically hard wired to like the stuff.
On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote: If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition?
I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator.
Players have no obligation to you.
Yes they do. Without the fans they have no jobs. It's their responsibility to conduct themselves in a professional manner.
On September 02 2011 11:58 FawkingGoomba wrote: Two people have no obligation to provide good games for others. This is entirely different from throwing games for sports bettors, since both competitors agree to it and nobody besides them benefits. Obviously they shouldn't do it publicly, but it's their right to come to an agreement. If you don't like it, get better and don't let them get to the finals.
I don't care if the games are good. I care about the knowledge that both players have dedicated themselves 100% to trying to win that match.
I don't care if they marine scv all in 4 games in a row to win a best of 7, if that wins them games they should do it. Although if that wins them games, Blizzard needs to do some patching.
They aren't obligated to try their best. You people are so damn delusional. Prize money splitting happens in literally every competition and there is NOTHING wrong with it. Them throwing games has zero impact on anyone else. They are NOT obligated to provide good games. If you have a problem with it, go beat them and stop whining that your viewing experience has been ruined.
Good games and trying their best are different things, and I know that they're not obligated to try their best or provide good games.
The reason I'm against prize money splitting is that it discourages players putting the maximum possible effort into that game. Because players are not obligated to try their best I want them to at least be ENCOURAGED to try their best rather than just "meh, no difference where I place now I'll just do whatever".
And whining about my viewing experience being ruined is actually more important than you think. How long do you think SC2 would last as an e-sport (and hence how long would these pro gamers still be getting paid) if there were no viewers? Less viewers results in less revenue both for teams and for tournaments. Players not trying - or caring about the outcome of the game - results in reduced viewers. Yes, the players have no obligation to provide good games but it is definitely in their best interests to do so.
Say it was a physical sport instead. If the person who wins was just going to split the money with you anyway, would you really see people running so hard for so long that after the race they literally cannot stand up anymore? When I see that I know darn well that person has dedicated themselves to that race 100% and seeing them try their hardest improves the viewing experience. If they just casually jogged around a track nobody would give a shit and hence wouldn't watch.
On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote: it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it.
And that sucks, seeing players actually care about the game they play makes the viewing experience better.
they can just fake it then lol -_-
That would be morally wrong.
yeah porn is also morally wrong
No it isn't! Fuck why would it be wrong if we were fucking practically hard wired to like the stuff.
On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote: If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition?
I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator.
Players have no obligation to you.
To spectators? To where the origination of money comes from?
On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote: If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition?
I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator.
Players have no obligation to you.
It will just cheapen the sport if this becomes commonplace. It's like giving everyone who lost, the same trophy along with the people who won.
On September 02 2011 11:58 FawkingGoomba wrote: Two people have no obligation to provide good games for others. This is entirely different from throwing games for sports bettors, since both competitors agree to it and nobody besides them benefits. Obviously they shouldn't do it publicly, but it's their right to come to an agreement. If you don't like it, get better and don't let them get to the finals.
I don't care if the games are good. I care about the knowledge that both players have dedicated themselves 100% to trying to win that match.
I don't care if they marine scv all in 4 games in a row to win a best of 7, if that wins them games they should do it. Although if that wins them games, Blizzard needs to do some patching.
They aren't obligated to try their best. You people are so damn delusional. Prize money splitting happens in literally every competition and there is NOTHING wrong with it. Them throwing games has zero impact on anyone else. They are NOT obligated to provide good games. If you have a problem with it, go beat them and stop whining that your viewing experience has been ruined.
Good games and trying their best are different things, and I know that they're not obligated to try their best or provide good games.
The reason I'm against prize money splitting is that it discourages players putting the maximum possible effort into that game. Because players are not obligated to try their best I want them to at least be ENCOURAGED to try their best rather than just "meh, no difference where I place now I'll just do whatever".
And whining about my viewing experience being ruined is actually more important than you think. How long do you think SC2 would last as an e-sport (and hence how long would these pro gamers still be getting paid) if there were no viewers? Less viewers results in less revenue both for teams and for tournaments. Players not trying - or caring about the outcome of the game - results in reduced viewers. Yes, the players have no obligation to provide good games but it is definitely in their best interests to do so.
Say it was a physical sport instead. If the person who wins was just going to split the money with you anyway, would you really see people running so hard for so long that after the race they literally cannot stand up anymore? When I see that I know darn well that person has dedicated themselves to that race 100% and seeing them try their hardest improves the viewing experience. If they just casually jogged around a track nobody would give a shit and hence wouldn't watch.
On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote: it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it.
And that sucks, seeing players actually care about the game they play makes the viewing experience better.
they can just fake it then lol -_-
That would be morally wrong.
yeah porn is also morally wrong
No it isn't! Fuck why would it be wrong if we were fucking practically hard wired to like the stuff.
MLG won't introduce a drug policy as long as Halo Reach is on the circuit or else they would lose half their competitors. Safe to say most tournaments are tight enough time wise as-is without introducing urine testing and sequestering competitors immediately after games
On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote: it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
Been there. Disagree.
you've faced a teammate in finals for a significant amount of money where 1st and 2nd place were far apart?
Define significant amount of money. 4 digits yes, 5 or more no.
Somehow playing for 5 grand, or 10 grand. I think my moral foundation would hold true.
The thing is, no matter what the final outcome of all of this... it cannot be changed.
Say it's made illegal. Me and my buddy Frank are playing, and we want to split the 5000 prize in two if we reach the finals, like in the situation in the OP. However, since it's illegal... we can't do this. So instead, after he beats me and gains the whole prize, I ask him if out of the spirit of friendship I can have 2500 bucks.
This situation is exactly the same and cmopletely legal.
On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote: If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition?
I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator.
Players have no obligation to you.
Yes they do. Without the fans they have no jobs. It's their responsibility to conduct themselves in a professional manner.
Go play your best friend for 1 million dollars. Winner takes 90%, loser takes 10%. Then tell me that prize splitting should be banned.
On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote: If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition?
I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator.
Players have no obligation to you.
Yes they do. Without the fans they have no jobs. It's their responsibility to conduct themselves in a professional manner.
Go play your best friend for 1 million dollars. Winner takes 90%, loser takes 10%. Then tell me that prize splitting should be banned.
Go and tell me if they split money, that they played to the best of their ability regardless of monetary outcome. I don't think they would. They'd play well, but not, top of their game since they've already won.
On September 02 2011 11:29 Pills wrote: Posted this in the Fenix to IM thread, but decided it was probably more appropriate here:
What Fenix did was a dick move, but I'm kinda happy it worked out like that. If TT1 really did throw away a couple of those games, then he deserved it. Agreements like these completely ruin the spirit of competition, and is a huge middle-finger to the fans that waited to see two deserving players duke it out for all the marbles.
Hopefully in the future, players will learn not to make these underhanded agreements. TT1 got his comeuppance, and it'll be funny to see if Fenix gets a taste of karma in the future.
there's no such thing as "he deserved it" wtf is wrong with you people
if TT1 really did throw the game where he went carriers then it's stupid and annoying for the viewers and his own reputation
what Fenix did is an entirely different matter, he backed out of a deal he agreed to, this is stealing...
its not stealing, its creative warfare
tt1 should have won if he wanted the money
yeah ok I get it you'll do whatever it takes to make more money even if it means deceiving people etc.
we get it you should be a rolemodel for children
No, that's you, undermining the competition "to even out variance" because you respect greed and money more than the tourney.
how is it greedy to even out variance, that doesn't make sense lolol
Going after money first and competition second is greedy by definition, and that is exactly what you are defending throughout the entire thread, which is a pathetic thing to do for anyone who considers himself a sportsman.
The price is there in order to increase the significance of achieving a certain placement, as an incentive for the players to do well. You argue in favor of killing that incentive which is part of the rules of the tournament for financial security. You undermine the competition.
The only ways to avoid this is to a) remove prizes entirely b) enforce rules prohibiting sharing c) have 100% of the money go to the teams, who distribute it in form of salaries based on performance only.
Anything else is undermining the competition and should have no place in any sport. If you want to establish that seeing esport as sport, or poker as sport is not the right perspective to take then you're welcome to go ahead. But I don't think that it will help your popularity and the popularity of esports a lot (maybe I'm wrong on esports, it's still in its baby shoes, and I don't know anything about poker so idc about that).
you still didn't get that there are definitely gains to be made from getting first place even if the prize money is split evenly
On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote: If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition?
I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator.
Players have no obligation to you.
To spectators? To where the origination of money comes from?
You don't have a contract with them saying they can't split the money. Therefore they have no obligation. Just because you don't want them to doesn't mean they can't.
On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote: it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
Been there. Disagree.
you've faced a teammate in finals for a significant amount of money where 1st and 2nd place were far apart?
Define significant amount of money. 4 digits yes, 5 or more no.
Somehow playing for 5 grand, or 10 grand. I think my moral foundation would hold true.
what about 1 million dollars
Like. 1st place gets 1 million. And 2nd gets nothing?
Not gonna lie. I would probably breakdown then. And it would still be wrong. And I would applaud anyone who turned down such a deal emphatically.
If its like 1 million 1st, 600k second? Yeah I would probably hold fast.
On September 02 2011 11:58 FawkingGoomba wrote: Two people have no obligation to provide good games for others. This is entirely different from throwing games for sports bettors, since both competitors agree to it and nobody besides them benefits. Obviously they shouldn't do it publicly, but it's their right to come to an agreement. If you don't like it, get better and don't let them get to the finals.
I don't care if the games are good. I care about the knowledge that both players have dedicated themselves 100% to trying to win that match.
I don't care if they marine scv all in 4 games in a row to win a best of 7, if that wins them games they should do it. Although if that wins them games, Blizzard needs to do some patching.
They aren't obligated to try their best. You people are so damn delusional. Prize money splitting happens in literally every competition and there is NOTHING wrong with it. Them throwing games has zero impact on anyone else. They are NOT obligated to provide good games. If you have a problem with it, go beat them and stop whining that your viewing experience has been ruined.
Good games and trying their best are different things, and I know that they're not obligated to try their best or provide good games.
The reason I'm against prize money splitting is that it discourages players putting the maximum possible effort into that game. Because players are not obligated to try their best I want them to at least be ENCOURAGED to try their best rather than just "meh, no difference where I place now I'll just do whatever".
And whining about my viewing experience being ruined is actually more important than you think. How long do you think SC2 would last as an e-sport (and hence how long would these pro gamers still be getting paid) if there were no viewers? Less viewers results in less revenue both for teams and for tournaments. Players not trying - or caring about the outcome of the game - results in reduced viewers. Yes, the players have no obligation to provide good games but it is definitely in their best interests to do so.
Say it was a physical sport instead. If the person who wins was just going to split the money with you anyway, would you really see people running so hard for so long that after the race they literally cannot stand up anymore? When I see that I know darn well that person has dedicated themselves to that race 100% and seeing them try their hardest improves the viewing experience. If they just casually jogged around a track nobody would give a shit and hence wouldn't watch.
On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote: it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it.
And that sucks, seeing players actually care about the game they play makes the viewing experience better.
they can just fake it then lol -_-
That would be morally wrong.
yeah porn is also morally wrong
No it isn't! Fuck why would it be wrong if we were fucking practically hard wired to like the stuff.
I'm pretty sure they fake emotions in porn to please the audience
On September 02 2011 11:58 FawkingGoomba wrote: Two people have no obligation to provide good games for others. This is entirely different from throwing games for sports bettors, since both competitors agree to it and nobody besides them benefits. Obviously they shouldn't do it publicly, but it's their right to come to an agreement. If you don't like it, get better and don't let them get to the finals.
I don't care if the games are good. I care about the knowledge that both players have dedicated themselves 100% to trying to win that match.
I don't care if they marine scv all in 4 games in a row to win a best of 7, if that wins them games they should do it. Although if that wins them games, Blizzard needs to do some patching.
They aren't obligated to try their best. You people are so damn delusional. Prize money splitting happens in literally every competition and there is NOTHING wrong with it. Them throwing games has zero impact on anyone else. They are NOT obligated to provide good games. If you have a problem with it, go beat them and stop whining that your viewing experience has been ruined.
Good games and trying their best are different things, and I know that they're not obligated to try their best or provide good games.
The reason I'm against prize money splitting is that it discourages players putting the maximum possible effort into that game. Because players are not obligated to try their best I want them to at least be ENCOURAGED to try their best rather than just "meh, no difference where I place now I'll just do whatever".
And whining about my viewing experience being ruined is actually more important than you think. How long do you think SC2 would last as an e-sport (and hence how long would these pro gamers still be getting paid) if there were no viewers? Less viewers results in less revenue both for teams and for tournaments. Players not trying - or caring about the outcome of the game - results in reduced viewers. Yes, the players have no obligation to provide good games but it is definitely in their best interests to do so.
Say it was a physical sport instead. If the person who wins was just going to split the money with you anyway, would you really see people running so hard for so long that after the race they literally cannot stand up anymore? When I see that I know darn well that person has dedicated themselves to that race 100% and seeing them try their hardest improves the viewing experience. If they just casually jogged around a track nobody would give a shit and hence wouldn't watch.
On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote: it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it.
And that sucks, seeing players actually care about the game they play makes the viewing experience better.
they can just fake it then lol -_-
That would be morally wrong.
yeah porn is also morally wrong
No it isn't! Fuck why would it be wrong if we were fucking practically hard wired to like the stuff.
We're hardwired to like heroin
I dont think porn kills people though.
Yet alcohol kills more people per year than heroin but that isn't seen as morally wrong. It's a lot to do with society and perspective.
On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote: If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition?
I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator.
Players have no obligation to you.
Yes they do. Without the fans they have no jobs. It's their responsibility to conduct themselves in a professional manner.
Go play your best friend for 1 million dollars. Winner takes 90%, loser takes 10%. Then tell me that prize splitting should be banned.
Go and tell me if they split money, that they played to the best of their ability regardless of monetary outcome. I don't think they would. They'd play well, but not, top of their game since they've already won.
So you'd agree to play your best friend of same skill in sc2 for 1 million dollars 90/10 split?
EPT
