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On September 02 2011 11:39 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 11:34 roymarthyup wrote:On September 02 2011 11:33 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 11:29 Pills wrote:
Posted this in the Fenix to IM thread, but decided it was probably more appropriate here:
What Fenix did was a dick move, but I'm kinda happy it worked out like that. If TT1 really did throw away a couple of those games, then he deserved it. Agreements like these completely ruin the spirit of competition, and is a huge middle-finger to the fans that waited to see two deserving players duke it out for all the marbles.
Hopefully in the future, players will learn not to make these underhanded agreements. TT1 got his comeuppance, and it'll be funny to see if Fenix gets a taste of karma in the future. there's no such thing as "he deserved it" wtf is wrong with you people if TT1 really did throw the game where he went carriers then it's stupid and annoying for the viewers and his own reputation what Fenix did is an entirely different matter, he backed out of a deal he agreed to, this is stealing... its not stealing, its creative warfare tt1 should have won if he wanted the money yeah ok I get it you'll do whatever it takes to make more money even if it means deceiving people etc. we get it you should be a rolemodel for children
No, that's you, undermining the competition "to even out variance" because you respect greed and money more than the tourney.
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On September 02 2011 12:25 Namu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:24 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:22 Shaetan wrote:
It's time like these I hate the SC2 community. Like shit lets take completely speculative things and blow them way out of proportion (referring to the Select thing). OMG GUYS I saw Idra taking a pill this one time, and he's been bulking up, and he got angry after a game, it must be steroids.
Stop. Fucking. Being. Dumb. For all you know it was Tylenol.
Besides MLG has no rules about drugs (legal ones obviously) does it? I think the sport is just not as well developed. 20 years from now we'll probably have a lot of rules in place. Assuming drugs even manage to play a role, which I could go either way on. I'm guessing you've never tried the medications for ADD/ADHD. They can DEFINITELY help for SC2 as well.
That's not necessarily true. Drug interactions a fucking complicated. When you try to apply it to something as complex as SC2 there isn't much to tell whether it will help or hinder your play. For example something that makes you focus more might mean you focus too much on macroing and you miss the doom drop that ends up killing you.
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On September 02 2011 12:33 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 11:39 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 11:34 roymarthyup wrote:On September 02 2011 11:33 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 11:29 Pills wrote:
Posted this in the Fenix to IM thread, but decided it was probably more appropriate here:
What Fenix did was a dick move, but I'm kinda happy it worked out like that. If TT1 really did throw away a couple of those games, then he deserved it. Agreements like these completely ruin the spirit of competition, and is a huge middle-finger to the fans that waited to see two deserving players duke it out for all the marbles.
Hopefully in the future, players will learn not to make these underhanded agreements. TT1 got his comeuppance, and it'll be funny to see if Fenix gets a taste of karma in the future. there's no such thing as "he deserved it" wtf is wrong with you people if TT1 really did throw the game where he went carriers then it's stupid and annoying for the viewers and his own reputation what Fenix did is an entirely different matter, he backed out of a deal he agreed to, this is stealing... its not stealing, its creative warfare tt1 should have won if he wanted the money yeah ok I get it you'll do whatever it takes to make more money even if it means deceiving people etc. we get it you should be a rolemodel for children No, that's you, undermining the competition "to even out variance" because you respect greed and money more than the tourney.
how is it greedy to even out variance, that doesn't make sense lolol
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On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote:
If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition?
This happens in every sport. If you don't like it, go beat them. They're not obligated to entertain you.
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On September 02 2011 12:33 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:25 Namu wrote:On September 02 2011 12:24 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:22 Shaetan wrote:
It's time like these I hate the SC2 community. Like shit lets take completely speculative things and blow them way out of proportion (referring to the Select thing). OMG GUYS I saw Idra taking a pill this one time, and he's been bulking up, and he got angry after a game, it must be steroids.
Stop. Fucking. Being. Dumb. For all you know it was Tylenol.
Besides MLG has no rules about drugs (legal ones obviously) does it? I think the sport is just not as well developed. 20 years from now we'll probably have a lot of rules in place. Assuming drugs even manage to play a role, which I could go either way on. I'm guessing you've never tried the medications for ADD/ADHD. They can DEFINITELY help for SC2 as well. That's not necessarily true. Drug interactions a fucking complicated. When you try to apply it to something as complex as SC2 there isn't much to tell whether it will help or hinder your play. For example something that makes you focus more might mean you focus too much on macroing and you miss the doom drop that ends up killing you.
My friend took adderol and ended up spending 2 hours of a 3 hour final trying to solve a problem that there was a mistake on and was unsolvable lol.
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On September 02 2011 12:27 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:25 StatorFlux wrote:On September 02 2011 12:22 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:19 StatorFlux wrote:On September 02 2011 12:14 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:12 Kaitlin wrote:
I have an idea to allow for "team deal making" without compromising the integrity of the event, which wouldn't appear to run afoul of any event regulations of prize splitting.
I understand when players sign on to teams, they agree to certain stipulations, among them might be a % of any winnings going to the team. I believe a stipulation providing that any winnings earned from a match between any two teammates shall be 100% remitted to the team. Then, the team allocates the winnings between the two players as it sees fit, whether the %'s are pre-determined, laid out in the contract, or otherwise. I think this is a different scenario and doesn't really compromise the integrity of the event. This way, the discrepancy between 1st and 2nd place, or whatever money hangs in the balance is determined by the team, which the players have signed to compete for.
This might be something Fayth and Minigun might consider chiming in on, as it might be a solution that gets around any potential problems associated with what we've been debating. Of course, it only applies to teammates. well as it been said before isn't it just the same as splitting 55/45 or 60/40 instead of 50/50? which I do agree with In your mind why should tournaments have different prizes for different placings? Would you be OK with a flat tournament price pool or do you see any problems with it? when I played WCG canada 2005 for broodwar, 1st and 2nd place got the exact same prize I didn't care honestly, I was less stressed out in the finals but I didn't throw any games Thanks for your story, but I meant perhaps even more generally than that. Say that top 32 got the same amount of money, would that be bad/good for the players and the competition. It would significantly reduce that variance you were talking about and would "feed" many players. these split almost never happen except among teammates, so your exemple doesn't make much sense at all
I feel like you are misunderstanding my intentions.
1. "Deal making" can only happen when different placings yield different prize sums
2. Since it is virtually impossible to control "deal making" it must either be free or honour-based or the tournament prize pool allocation much be different.
3. You want it to be "free" I guess, 63% of the poll takers want it to be honour-based (self policing)
4. I tried to get you opinion of a third alternative, not to trap you in your own words but to gauge whether progamers could accept such a model.
For the record: I am not necessarily advocating a "flat" price pool. Just trying to make the debate go forward and not in circles.
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On September 02 2011 12:33 enzym wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 11:39 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 11:34 roymarthyup wrote:On September 02 2011 11:33 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 11:29 Pills wrote:
Posted this in the Fenix to IM thread, but decided it was probably more appropriate here:
What Fenix did was a dick move, but I'm kinda happy it worked out like that. If TT1 really did throw away a couple of those games, then he deserved it. Agreements like these completely ruin the spirit of competition, and is a huge middle-finger to the fans that waited to see two deserving players duke it out for all the marbles.
Hopefully in the future, players will learn not to make these underhanded agreements. TT1 got his comeuppance, and it'll be funny to see if Fenix gets a taste of karma in the future. there's no such thing as "he deserved it" wtf is wrong with you people if TT1 really did throw the game where he went carriers then it's stupid and annoying for the viewers and his own reputation what Fenix did is an entirely different matter, he backed out of a deal he agreed to, this is stealing... its not stealing, its creative warfare tt1 should have won if he wanted the money yeah ok I get it you'll do whatever it takes to make more money even if it means deceiving people etc. we get it you should be a rolemodel for children No, that's you, undermining the competition "to even out variance" because you respect greed and money more than the tourney.
Seriously?
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On September 02 2011 12:31 MyNameWuzBoB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:25 StatorFlux wrote:On September 02 2011 12:22 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:19 StatorFlux wrote:On September 02 2011 12:14 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:12 Kaitlin wrote:
I have an idea to allow for "team deal making" without compromising the integrity of the event, which wouldn't appear to run afoul of any event regulations of prize splitting.
I understand when players sign on to teams, they agree to certain stipulations, among them might be a % of any winnings going to the team. I believe a stipulation providing that any winnings earned from a match between any two teammates shall be 100% remitted to the team. Then, the team allocates the winnings between the two players as it sees fit, whether the %'s are pre-determined, laid out in the contract, or otherwise. I think this is a different scenario and doesn't really compromise the integrity of the event. This way, the discrepancy between 1st and 2nd place, or whatever money hangs in the balance is determined by the team, which the players have signed to compete for.
This might be something Fayth and Minigun might consider chiming in on, as it might be a solution that gets around any potential problems associated with what we've been debating. Of course, it only applies to teammates. well as it been said before isn't it just the same as splitting 55/45 or 60/40 instead of 50/50? which I do agree with In your mind why should tournaments have different prizes for different placings? Would you be OK with a flat tournament price pool or do you see any problems with it? when I played WCG canada 2005 for broodwar, 1st and 2nd place got the exact same prize I didn't care honestly, I was less stressed out in the finals but I didn't throw any games Thanks for your story, but I meant perhaps even more generally than that. Say that top 32 got the same amount of money, would that be bad/good for the players and the competition. It would significantly reduce (make that eliminate) that variance you were talking about and would "feed" many players. If all 32 agree with the chop great. But I can never see that happening. This isn't poker where the best players don't have that great of an edge vs. the average players.
i don't think its great even if all 32 players agree to the chop (which can't happen obviously)
it completely takes out the mental aspect of the game in this case
also what would be the fun in spectating if there was no tension? everyone wins the same amount of money, yay! would be much more boring to watch
while the split between teammates obviously is no where close to as bad as the case given above, i still think that players should realize that it's bad for the tournaments/spectating in general and there should be a rule against it. it'll be impossible to enforce 100% obviously, but the rule should still be there.
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it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it.
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On September 02 2011 12:25 FawkingGoomba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:00 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:58 FawkingGoomba wrote:
Two people have no obligation to provide good games for others. This is entirely different from throwing games for sports bettors, since both competitors agree to it and nobody besides them benefits. Obviously they shouldn't do it publicly, but it's their right to come to an agreement. If you don't like it, get better and don't let them get to the finals. I don't care if the games are good. I care about the knowledge that both players have dedicated themselves 100% to trying to win that match. I don't care if they marine scv all in 4 games in a row to win a best of 7, if that wins them games they should do it. Although if that wins them games, Blizzard needs to do some patching. They aren't obligated to try their best. You people are so damn delusional. Prize money splitting happens in literally every competition and there is NOTHING wrong with it. Them throwing games has zero impact on anyone else. They are NOT obligated to provide good games. If you have a problem with it, go beat them and stop whining that your viewing experience has been ruined.
Good games and trying their best are different things, and I know that they're not obligated to try their best or provide good games.
The reason I'm against prize money splitting is that it discourages players putting the maximum possible effort into that game. Because players are not obligated to try their best I want them to at least be ENCOURAGED to try their best rather than just "meh, no difference where I place now I'll just do whatever".
And whining about my viewing experience being ruined is actually more important than you think. How long do you think SC2 would last as an e-sport (and hence how long would these pro gamers still be getting paid) if there were no viewers? Less viewers results in less revenue both for teams and for tournaments. Players not trying - or caring about the outcome of the game - results in reduced viewers. Yes, the players have no obligation to provide good games but it is definitely in their best interests to do so.
Say it was a physical sport instead. If the person who wins was just going to split the money with you anyway, would you really see people running so hard for so long that after the race they literally cannot stand up anymore? When I see that I know darn well that person has dedicated themselves to that race 100% and seeing them try their hardest improves the viewing experience. If they just casually jogged around a track nobody would give a shit and hence wouldn't watch.
On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote:
it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it.
And that sucks, seeing players actually care about the game they play makes the viewing experience better.
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On September 02 2011 12:33 imallinson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:25 Namu wrote:On September 02 2011 12:24 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:22 Shaetan wrote:
It's time like these I hate the SC2 community. Like shit lets take completely speculative things and blow them way out of proportion (referring to the Select thing). OMG GUYS I saw Idra taking a pill this one time, and he's been bulking up, and he got angry after a game, it must be steroids.
Stop. Fucking. Being. Dumb. For all you know it was Tylenol.
Besides MLG has no rules about drugs (legal ones obviously) does it? I think the sport is just not as well developed. 20 years from now we'll probably have a lot of rules in place. Assuming drugs even manage to play a role, which I could go either way on. I'm guessing you've never tried the medications for ADD/ADHD. They can DEFINITELY help for SC2 as well. That's not necessarily true. Drug interactions a fucking complicated. When you try to apply it to something as complex as SC2 there isn't much to tell whether it will help or hinder your play. For example something that makes you focus more might mean you focus too much on macroing and you miss the doom drop that ends up killing you.
Yeah I agree. I am not convinced drugs even matter after it brings you to your full potential anyway. One of the reasons I stopped watching normal sports was because of all the drug scandals and money problems.
I love e-sports because generally I consider it innately immune to the effect of drugs. At least physical sport drugs like steroids.
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On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote:
it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
Been there. Disagree.
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On September 02 2011 12:37 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:25 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:00 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:58 FawkingGoomba wrote:
Two people have no obligation to provide good games for others. This is entirely different from throwing games for sports bettors, since both competitors agree to it and nobody besides them benefits. Obviously they shouldn't do it publicly, but it's their right to come to an agreement. If you don't like it, get better and don't let them get to the finals. I don't care if the games are good. I care about the knowledge that both players have dedicated themselves 100% to trying to win that match. I don't care if they marine scv all in 4 games in a row to win a best of 7, if that wins them games they should do it. Although if that wins them games, Blizzard needs to do some patching. They aren't obligated to try their best. You people are so damn delusional. Prize money splitting happens in literally every competition and there is NOTHING wrong with it. Them throwing games has zero impact on anyone else. They are NOT obligated to provide good games. If you have a problem with it, go beat them and stop whining that your viewing experience has been ruined. Good games and trying their best are different things, and I know that they're not obligated to try their best or provide good games. The reason I'm against prize money splitting is that it discourages players putting the maximum possible effort into that game. Because players are not obligated to try their best I want them to at least be ENCOURAGED to try their best rather than just "meh, no difference where I place now I'll just do whatever". And whining about my viewing experience being ruined is actually more important than you think. How long do you think SC2 would last as an e-sport (and hence how long would these pro gamers still be getting paid) if there were no viewers? Less viewers results in less revenue both for teams and for tournaments. Players not trying - or caring about the outcome of the game - results in reduced viewers. Yes, the players have no obligation to provide good games but it is definitely in their best interests to do so. Say it was a physical sport instead. If the person who wins was just going to split the money with you anyway, would you really see people running so hard for so long that after the race they literally cannot stand up anymore? When I see that I know darn well that person has dedicated themselves to that race 100% and seeing them try their hardest improves the viewing experience. If they just casually jogged around a track nobody would give a shit and hence wouldn't watch. Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote:
it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it. And that sucks, seeing players actually care about the game they play makes the viewing experience better.
they can just fake it then lol -_-
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On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote:
If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition?
I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator.
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On September 02 2011 12:39 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:37 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:25 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:00 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:58 FawkingGoomba wrote:
Two people have no obligation to provide good games for others. This is entirely different from throwing games for sports bettors, since both competitors agree to it and nobody besides them benefits. Obviously they shouldn't do it publicly, but it's their right to come to an agreement. If you don't like it, get better and don't let them get to the finals. I don't care if the games are good. I care about the knowledge that both players have dedicated themselves 100% to trying to win that match. I don't care if they marine scv all in 4 games in a row to win a best of 7, if that wins them games they should do it. Although if that wins them games, Blizzard needs to do some patching. They aren't obligated to try their best. You people are so damn delusional. Prize money splitting happens in literally every competition and there is NOTHING wrong with it. Them throwing games has zero impact on anyone else. They are NOT obligated to provide good games. If you have a problem with it, go beat them and stop whining that your viewing experience has been ruined. Good games and trying their best are different things, and I know that they're not obligated to try their best or provide good games. The reason I'm against prize money splitting is that it discourages players putting the maximum possible effort into that game. Because players are not obligated to try their best I want them to at least be ENCOURAGED to try their best rather than just "meh, no difference where I place now I'll just do whatever". And whining about my viewing experience being ruined is actually more important than you think. How long do you think SC2 would last as an e-sport (and hence how long would these pro gamers still be getting paid) if there were no viewers? Less viewers results in less revenue both for teams and for tournaments. Players not trying - or caring about the outcome of the game - results in reduced viewers. Yes, the players have no obligation to provide good games but it is definitely in their best interests to do so. Say it was a physical sport instead. If the person who wins was just going to split the money with you anyway, would you really see people running so hard for so long that after the race they literally cannot stand up anymore? When I see that I know darn well that person has dedicated themselves to that race 100% and seeing them try their hardest improves the viewing experience. If they just casually jogged around a track nobody would give a shit and hence wouldn't watch. On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote:
it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it. And that sucks, seeing players actually care about the game they play makes the viewing experience better. they can just fake it then lol -_-
That would be morally wrong.
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On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote:
it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it.
Probably the same group of people who hated on HuK for going to EG...
At the end of the day, a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do
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On September 02 2011 12:38 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote:
it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
Been there. Disagree.
you've faced a teammate in finals for a significant amount of money where 1st and 2nd place were far apart?
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Sometimes this community is awesome. Sometimes it's really dumb. This is one of those times.
Look, players aren't saying, You lose this match and I'll give you half my winnings. They're saying...
"well, let's play the series. Since we're both teammates (or friends, whatever) we'll just split that money"
Look, if you were in a competition with your best firend and #1 got 1 million dollars and #2 got 10 grand or something, wouldn't it be worth your while to say, "Yeah, lets split that million." It's not like you're throwing the game; you're just making the end result as profitable as possible between the two of you; no one walks a way with 1/10 of the money, you each get a reasonably large share.
Who the fuck are we as fans to say what pro players can and cannot do with their prize winnings. It's not match fixing where you arrange a win or a loss so people can fix bets. There's still the same competition aspect. There's nothing taking away from the games, it's just like insurance for the players. If you were in the same situation you would do the same damn thing because it's STUPID not to.
I just have to say for all the people super offended at this... It happens. It has happened in ALL KINDS of competitions FOREVER. At a certain point, it's just people wanting more drama, and all I have to say is; grow up.
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On September 02 2011 12:39 Almin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote:
If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition? I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator.
Players have no obligation to you.
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On September 02 2011 12:40 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:39 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:37 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:25 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:00 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:58 FawkingGoomba wrote:
Two people have no obligation to provide good games for others. This is entirely different from throwing games for sports bettors, since both competitors agree to it and nobody besides them benefits. Obviously they shouldn't do it publicly, but it's their right to come to an agreement. If you don't like it, get better and don't let them get to the finals. I don't care if the games are good. I care about the knowledge that both players have dedicated themselves 100% to trying to win that match. I don't care if they marine scv all in 4 games in a row to win a best of 7, if that wins them games they should do it. Although if that wins them games, Blizzard needs to do some patching. They aren't obligated to try their best. You people are so damn delusional. Prize money splitting happens in literally every competition and there is NOTHING wrong with it. Them throwing games has zero impact on anyone else. They are NOT obligated to provide good games. If you have a problem with it, go beat them and stop whining that your viewing experience has been ruined. Good games and trying their best are different things, and I know that they're not obligated to try their best or provide good games. The reason I'm against prize money splitting is that it discourages players putting the maximum possible effort into that game. Because players are not obligated to try their best I want them to at least be ENCOURAGED to try their best rather than just "meh, no difference where I place now I'll just do whatever". And whining about my viewing experience being ruined is actually more important than you think. How long do you think SC2 would last as an e-sport (and hence how long would these pro gamers still be getting paid) if there were no viewers? Less viewers results in less revenue both for teams and for tournaments. Players not trying - or caring about the outcome of the game - results in reduced viewers. Yes, the players have no obligation to provide good games but it is definitely in their best interests to do so. Say it was a physical sport instead. If the person who wins was just going to split the money with you anyway, would you really see people running so hard for so long that after the race they literally cannot stand up anymore? When I see that I know darn well that person has dedicated themselves to that race 100% and seeing them try their hardest improves the viewing experience. If they just casually jogged around a track nobody would give a shit and hence wouldn't watch. On September 02 2011 12:37 ReignFayth wrote:
it's so funny how people who complains about that are never going to be the ones in such a situation, once you face such a situation, your opinion about the matter is very likely to change
as it's also been said before, those who agree to split usually still try their hardest to win games, you just don't see as much rage or sadness afterwards, that's it. And that sucks, seeing players actually care about the game they play makes the viewing experience better. they can just fake it then lol -_- That would be morally wrong.
yeah porn is also morally wrong
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