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This happened all the time in SSBM, makes monetary sense for the players when the prize winnings are extremely top heavy. Not that I like it, even though in the case of SC2 it can produce more entertaining than usual games.
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On September 02 2011 12:10 MyNameWuzBoB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:07 Namu wrote:On September 02 2011 12:02 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 11:50 ilbh wrote:On September 02 2011 11:34 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 11:30 roymarthyup wrote:
im actually more of a fan of FENIX after hearing what he did
fenix did what needs to be done. if tournaments dont fix dealmaking by changing their rules or how the tournaments are run, then players themselves should use dealmaking to their advantage. fenix told TT1 he would do a deal, then he won the finals because of that advantage, and kept all the money for himself and laughed at TT1
hahahaha. alls fair in love and war boys. kudos to fenix and i support him more as a fan for his brilliant actions. approving of thievery and being proud of it what kind of world do we live in -.- thievery? TT1 knew his chances of winning against Fenix were like less than 20% and proposed this shit of a deal. Fenix would have to be stupid to split it with TT1. less than 20% where the hell do you get these random statistics people make deal with their teammates all the time even if one is better than the other, kiwi always makes deal with slush, so do I, it's not about who's better, part of it is about friendship and the other part of it is about reducing variance, I'm sure you can understand a concept that simple I still think it kills the spirit of competition though (at least a part of it). It reduces stress and incentive, to put it simply (assuming 50/50 split). Yes a lot of the players will still try to play their best, but regardless, you're removing a big mental part of the finals by making at least the monetary portion irrelevent. What the spectators want to see is the player with both physical (ability to play the game well) AND mental strengths, and both of these are a big part of competition. That's great and that's what we all want. But you cannot tell people what to do with their own money.
Baseball does, practically anyway.
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On September 02 2011 12:09 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:07 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:06 Reborn8u wrote:
What tournaments allow this? Have people done this in tournaments that don't allow it? every tournaments allow it, cuz they can't not allow it Im going to have a chat with Frank or Grant about this and see how they feel about there teammates splitting earnings across shared tournaments.
man lol you really did live in some fantasy world lol
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On September 02 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:08 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:07 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:06 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:03 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 11:54 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 11:53 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:35 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 11:02 billyX333 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:57 DonKey_ wrote:
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But he provides evidence for his post, when you present none for your own. Evidence for my argument? My argument was that the incentive to win is there regardless of prize pool. Why the fuck would anybody compete in MLG. The only players who will on average net a profit from flying across the globe to MLG would be the 4 koreans put in group play. Everyone else is playing for love for the game, competition, or for sponsors. Just because players like TT1 ignore all incentives except for cash prizes doesn't invalidate any argument. All it does is prove there are idiots out there who don't give a shit about the game or competition. TT1 proved that a long time ago. Thats why TT1 will probably never have fans and that's also why he should go find a new job anyway if all he wants is cash hahaha i dont care about the competition, thats the only reason why i still play this game u think naniwa is a hardcore competitor? just because hes been in the spotlight much longer than me that doesnt mean he has more heart/drive than me, u dont know the half it bro i promise u theres no one in this game that wants to win to more than me, whenever i get knocked out of tournament i dont even stick around in the tournament area because i feel so ashamed of myself, youve never seen me once i get home after one of my failed mlg runs, i get so fucking depressed that i start thinking my future and whether or not im washed up and should quit playing, u dont know wat goes through my head so pls dont act like u do If losing makes you so depressed why did you 1base carrier? Exactly. That's the 1 million dollar question. I hope this gets the proper attention. Why does TheBest cheese all the time when he normally plays incredibly solid macro games in practice? Why did Moon 6-pool in the Dreamhack finals when he's shown that he can beat Huk in a macro game? There's really no way to definitively prove that TT1 actually "threw" the game short of asking him for a written confession. He did write it though. On the forums anwyay. he didnt say he threw the games he said he went 1 base carrier His implication was that because he had a backroom deal to have money already in his pocket, it affected his play inside the game. Is that better? It's not really different. I saw select take some kind of pill to increase his focus at an MLG, it probably affected his play inside the game is that cheating? is that wrong?
Cheating and Wrong. Especially if it's adirol.
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imo, it should be frowned upon. other than that, there's really nothing you can do. if the players are stupid enough to talk about it in the open, then i think they should be punished for it.
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On September 02 2011 12:08 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:07 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:06 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:03 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 11:54 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 11:53 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:35 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 11:02 billyX333 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:57 DonKey_ wrote:On September 02 2011 10:55 billyX333 wrote:
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My primary point is that the incentive to win is there not because of the prizepool. Bringing up a case to the contrary doesn't invalidate any argument. I'm making an argument for what is the case for most progamers.
But he provides evidence for his post, when you present none for your own. Evidence for my argument? My argument was that the incentive to win is there regardless of prize pool. Why the fuck would anybody compete in MLG. The only players who will on average net a profit from flying across the globe to MLG would be the 4 koreans put in group play. Everyone else is playing for love for the game, competition, or for sponsors. Just because players like TT1 ignore all incentives except for cash prizes doesn't invalidate any argument. All it does is prove there are idiots out there who don't give a shit about the game or competition. TT1 proved that a long time ago. Thats why TT1 will probably never have fans and that's also why he should go find a new job anyway if all he wants is cash hahaha i dont care about the competition, thats the only reason why i still play this game u think naniwa is a hardcore competitor? just because hes been in the spotlight much longer than me that doesnt mean he has more heart/drive than me, u dont know the half it bro i promise u theres no one in this game that wants to win to more than me, whenever i get knocked out of tournament i dont even stick around in the tournament area because i feel so ashamed of myself, youve never seen me once i get home after one of my failed mlg runs, i get so fucking depressed that i start thinking my future and whether or not im washed up and should quit playing, u dont know wat goes through my head so pls dont act like u do If losing makes you so depressed why did you 1base carrier? Exactly. That's the 1 million dollar question. I hope this gets the proper attention. Why does TheBest cheese all the time when he normally plays incredibly solid macro games in practice? Why did Moon 6-pool in the Dreamhack finals when he's shown that he can beat Huk in a macro game? There's really no way to definitively prove that TT1 actually "threw" the game short of asking him for a written confession. He did write it though. On the forums anwyay. he didnt say he threw the games he said he went 1 base carrier Isn't it the same? I mean who goes 1 base carriers in the final of a big tournament ?
Don't pretend that you wouldn't have eaten it all up if WhiteRa went 1-base carriers in the finals of a major tournament. 
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I have an idea to allow for "team deal making" without compromising the integrity of the event, which wouldn't appear to run afoul of any event regulations of prize splitting.
I understand when players sign on to teams, they agree to certain stipulations, among them might be a % of any winnings going to the team. I believe a stipulation providing that any winnings earned from a match between any two teammates shall be 100% remitted to the team. Then, the team allocates the winnings between the two players as it sees fit, whether the %'s are pre-determined, laid out in the contract, or otherwise. I think this is a different scenario and doesn't really compromise the integrity of the event. This way, the discrepancy between 1st and 2nd place, or whatever money hangs in the balance is determined by the team, which the players have signed to compete for.
This might be something Fayth and Minigun might consider chiming in on, as it might be a solution that gets around any potential problems associated with what we've been debating. Of course, it only applies to teammates.
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On September 02 2011 12:11 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:08 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:07 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:06 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:03 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 11:54 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 11:53 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:35 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 11:02 billyX333 wrote:
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Evidence for my argument? My argument was that the incentive to win is there regardless of prize pool. Why the fuck would anybody compete in MLG. The only players who will on average net a profit from flying across the globe to MLG would be the 4 koreans put in group play. Everyone else is playing for love for the game, competition, or for sponsors.
Just because players like TT1 ignore all incentives except for cash prizes doesn't invalidate any argument. All it does is prove there are idiots out there who don't give a shit about the game or competition. TT1 proved that a long time ago. Thats why TT1 will probably never have fans and that's also why he should go find a new job anyway if all he wants is cash
hahaha i dont care about the competition, thats the only reason why i still play this game u think naniwa is a hardcore competitor? just because hes been in the spotlight much longer than me that doesnt mean he has more heart/drive than me, u dont know the half it bro i promise u theres no one in this game that wants to win to more than me, whenever i get knocked out of tournament i dont even stick around in the tournament area because i feel so ashamed of myself, youve never seen me once i get home after one of my failed mlg runs, i get so fucking depressed that i start thinking my future and whether or not im washed up and should quit playing, u dont know wat goes through my head so pls dont act like u do If losing makes you so depressed why did you 1base carrier? Exactly. That's the 1 million dollar question. I hope this gets the proper attention. Why does TheBest cheese all the time when he normally plays incredibly solid macro games in practice? Why did Moon 6-pool in the Dreamhack finals when he's shown that he can beat Huk in a macro game? There's really no way to definitively prove that TT1 actually "threw" the game short of asking him for a written confession. He did write it though. On the forums anwyay. he didnt say he threw the games he said he went 1 base carrier His implication was that because he had a backroom deal to have money already in his pocket, it affected his play inside the game. Is that better? It's not really different. I saw select take some kind of pill to increase his focus at an MLG, it probably affected his play inside the game is that cheating? is that wrong? Cheating and Wrong. Especially if it's adirol.
it was some korean thing, and he told me lots of pro gamers used that in korea
woooaaaah SCANDAL
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On September 02 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:08 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:07 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:06 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:03 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 11:54 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 11:53 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:35 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 11:02 billyX333 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:57 DonKey_ wrote:
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But he provides evidence for his post, when you present none for your own. Evidence for my argument? My argument was that the incentive to win is there regardless of prize pool. Why the fuck would anybody compete in MLG. The only players who will on average net a profit from flying across the globe to MLG would be the 4 koreans put in group play. Everyone else is playing for love for the game, competition, or for sponsors. Just because players like TT1 ignore all incentives except for cash prizes doesn't invalidate any argument. All it does is prove there are idiots out there who don't give a shit about the game or competition. TT1 proved that a long time ago. Thats why TT1 will probably never have fans and that's also why he should go find a new job anyway if all he wants is cash hahaha i dont care about the competition, thats the only reason why i still play this game u think naniwa is a hardcore competitor? just because hes been in the spotlight much longer than me that doesnt mean he has more heart/drive than me, u dont know the half it bro i promise u theres no one in this game that wants to win to more than me, whenever i get knocked out of tournament i dont even stick around in the tournament area because i feel so ashamed of myself, youve never seen me once i get home after one of my failed mlg runs, i get so fucking depressed that i start thinking my future and whether or not im washed up and should quit playing, u dont know wat goes through my head so pls dont act like u do If losing makes you so depressed why did you 1base carrier? Exactly. That's the 1 million dollar question. I hope this gets the proper attention. Why does TheBest cheese all the time when he normally plays incredibly solid macro games in practice? Why did Moon 6-pool in the Dreamhack finals when he's shown that he can beat Huk in a macro game? There's really no way to definitively prove that TT1 actually "threw" the game short of asking him for a written confession. He did write it though. On the forums anwyay. he didnt say he threw the games he said he went 1 base carrier His implication was that because he had a backroom deal to have money already in his pocket, it affected his play inside the game. Is that better? It's not really different. I saw select take some kind of pill to increase his focus at an MLG, it probably affected his play inside the game is that cheating? is that wrong?
That depends if he has the pill for a legitimate medical reason or if he's popping someone else's prescription just to boost his gameplay.
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On September 02 2011 12:11 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:10 MyNameWuzBoB wrote:On September 02 2011 12:07 Namu wrote:On September 02 2011 12:02 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 11:50 ilbh wrote:On September 02 2011 11:34 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 11:30 roymarthyup wrote:
im actually more of a fan of FENIX after hearing what he did
fenix did what needs to be done. if tournaments dont fix dealmaking by changing their rules or how the tournaments are run, then players themselves should use dealmaking to their advantage. fenix told TT1 he would do a deal, then he won the finals because of that advantage, and kept all the money for himself and laughed at TT1
hahahaha. alls fair in love and war boys. kudos to fenix and i support him more as a fan for his brilliant actions. approving of thievery and being proud of it what kind of world do we live in -.- thievery? TT1 knew his chances of winning against Fenix were like less than 20% and proposed this shit of a deal. Fenix would have to be stupid to split it with TT1. less than 20% where the hell do you get these random statistics people make deal with their teammates all the time even if one is better than the other, kiwi always makes deal with slush, so do I, it's not about who's better, part of it is about friendship and the other part of it is about reducing variance, I'm sure you can understand a concept that simple I still think it kills the spirit of competition though (at least a part of it). It reduces stress and incentive, to put it simply (assuming 50/50 split). Yes a lot of the players will still try to play their best, but regardless, you're removing a big mental part of the finals by making at least the monetary portion irrelevent. What the spectators want to see is the player with both physical (ability to play the game well) AND mental strengths, and both of these are a big part of competition. That's great and that's what we all want. But you cannot tell people what to do with their own money. Baseball does, practically anyway.
You can't compare the two because baseball has teams.
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On September 02 2011 12:12 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:11 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:08 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:07 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:06 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:03 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 11:54 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 11:53 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:35 TT1 wrote:
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hahaha i dont care about the competition, thats the only reason why i still play this game
u think naniwa is a hardcore competitor? just because hes been in the spotlight much longer than me that doesnt mean he has more heart/drive than me, u dont know the half it bro
i promise u theres no one in this game that wants to win to more than me, whenever i get knocked out of tournament i dont even stick around in the tournament area because i feel so ashamed of myself, youve never seen me once i get home after one of my failed mlg runs, i get so fucking depressed that i start thinking my future and whether or not im washed up and should quit playing, u dont know wat goes through my head so pls dont act like u do If losing makes you so depressed why did you 1base carrier? Exactly. That's the 1 million dollar question. I hope this gets the proper attention. Why does TheBest cheese all the time when he normally plays incredibly solid macro games in practice? Why did Moon 6-pool in the Dreamhack finals when he's shown that he can beat Huk in a macro game? There's really no way to definitively prove that TT1 actually "threw" the game short of asking him for a written confession. He did write it though. On the forums anwyay. he didnt say he threw the games he said he went 1 base carrier His implication was that because he had a backroom deal to have money already in his pocket, it affected his play inside the game. Is that better? It's not really different. I saw select take some kind of pill to increase his focus at an MLG, it probably affected his play inside the game is that cheating? is that wrong? Cheating and Wrong. Especially if it's adirol. it was some korean thing, and he told me lots of pro gamers used that in korea woooaaaah SCANDAL
I bet it's some form of fish oil. Would be interesting to know though.
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On September 02 2011 12:12 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:11 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:08 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:07 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:06 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:03 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 11:54 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 11:53 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:35 TT1 wrote:
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hahaha i dont care about the competition, thats the only reason why i still play this game
u think naniwa is a hardcore competitor? just because hes been in the spotlight much longer than me that doesnt mean he has more heart/drive than me, u dont know the half it bro
i promise u theres no one in this game that wants to win to more than me, whenever i get knocked out of tournament i dont even stick around in the tournament area because i feel so ashamed of myself, youve never seen me once i get home after one of my failed mlg runs, i get so fucking depressed that i start thinking my future and whether or not im washed up and should quit playing, u dont know wat goes through my head so pls dont act like u do If losing makes you so depressed why did you 1base carrier? Exactly. That's the 1 million dollar question. I hope this gets the proper attention. Why does TheBest cheese all the time when he normally plays incredibly solid macro games in practice? Why did Moon 6-pool in the Dreamhack finals when he's shown that he can beat Huk in a macro game? There's really no way to definitively prove that TT1 actually "threw" the game short of asking him for a written confession. He did write it though. On the forums anwyay. he didnt say he threw the games he said he went 1 base carrier His implication was that because he had a backroom deal to have money already in his pocket, it affected his play inside the game. Is that better? It's not really different. I saw select take some kind of pill to increase his focus at an MLG, it probably affected his play inside the game is that cheating? is that wrong? Cheating and Wrong. Especially if it's adirol. it was some korean thing, and he told me lots of pro gamers used that in korea woooaaaah SCANDAL
It is. When a particular e-sport gets large enough. Im sure it will have anti-drug rules set in place, which we see in every single goddam sport BTW. Even chess.
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On September 02 2011 12:10 EtherealDeath wrote:
This happened all the time in SSBM, makes monetary sense for the players when the prize winnings are extremely top heavy. Not that I like it, even though in the case of SC2 it can produce more entertaining than usual games.
Happened in Brawl too, but then two people got banned from MLG and it's no longer on the pro circuit.
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On September 02 2011 12:12 Kaitlin wrote:
I have an idea to allow for "team deal making" without compromising the integrity of the event, which wouldn't appear to run afoul of any event regulations of prize splitting.
I understand when players sign on to teams, they agree to certain stipulations, among them might be a % of any winnings going to the team. I believe a stipulation providing that any winnings earned from a match between any two teammates shall be 100% remitted to the team. Then, the team allocates the winnings between the two players as it sees fit, whether the %'s are pre-determined, laid out in the contract, or otherwise. I think this is a different scenario and doesn't really compromise the integrity of the event. This way, the discrepancy between 1st and 2nd place, or whatever money hangs in the balance is determined by the team, which the players have signed to compete for.
This might be something Fayth and Minigun might consider chiming in on, as it might be a solution that gets around any potential problems associated with what we've been debating. Of course, it only applies to teammates.
well as it been said before isn't it just the same as splitting 55/45 or 60/40 instead of 50/50?
which I do agree with
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Speaking as a Korean it was probably Vitamins and some herbal bullshit. Koreans do not condone drug use.
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On September 02 2011 12:13 MyNameWuzBoB wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:11 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:10 MyNameWuzBoB wrote:On September 02 2011 12:07 Namu wrote:On September 02 2011 12:02 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 11:50 ilbh wrote:On September 02 2011 11:34 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 11:30 roymarthyup wrote:
im actually more of a fan of FENIX after hearing what he did
fenix did what needs to be done. if tournaments dont fix dealmaking by changing their rules or how the tournaments are run, then players themselves should use dealmaking to their advantage. fenix told TT1 he would do a deal, then he won the finals because of that advantage, and kept all the money for himself and laughed at TT1
hahahaha. alls fair in love and war boys. kudos to fenix and i support him more as a fan for his brilliant actions. approving of thievery and being proud of it what kind of world do we live in -.- thievery? TT1 knew his chances of winning against Fenix were like less than 20% and proposed this shit of a deal. Fenix would have to be stupid to split it with TT1. less than 20% where the hell do you get these random statistics people make deal with their teammates all the time even if one is better than the other, kiwi always makes deal with slush, so do I, it's not about who's better, part of it is about friendship and the other part of it is about reducing variance, I'm sure you can understand a concept that simple I still think it kills the spirit of competition though (at least a part of it). It reduces stress and incentive, to put it simply (assuming 50/50 split). Yes a lot of the players will still try to play their best, but regardless, you're removing a big mental part of the finals by making at least the monetary portion irrelevent. What the spectators want to see is the player with both physical (ability to play the game well) AND mental strengths, and both of these are a big part of competition. That's great and that's what we all want. But you cannot tell people what to do with their own money. Baseball does, practically anyway. You can't compare the two because baseball has teams.
What about boxing. Boxing is just as ridiculous.
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On September 02 2011 12:12 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:08 Yaki wrote:On September 02 2011 12:07 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:06 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:03 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 11:54 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 11:53 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:35 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 11:02 billyX333 wrote:On September 02 2011 10:57 DonKey_ wrote:
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But he provides evidence for his post, when you present none for your own. Evidence for my argument? My argument was that the incentive to win is there regardless of prize pool. Why the fuck would anybody compete in MLG. The only players who will on average net a profit from flying across the globe to MLG would be the 4 koreans put in group play. Everyone else is playing for love for the game, competition, or for sponsors. Just because players like TT1 ignore all incentives except for cash prizes doesn't invalidate any argument. All it does is prove there are idiots out there who don't give a shit about the game or competition. TT1 proved that a long time ago. Thats why TT1 will probably never have fans and that's also why he should go find a new job anyway if all he wants is cash hahaha i dont care about the competition, thats the only reason why i still play this game u think naniwa is a hardcore competitor? just because hes been in the spotlight much longer than me that doesnt mean he has more heart/drive than me, u dont know the half it bro i promise u theres no one in this game that wants to win to more than me, whenever i get knocked out of tournament i dont even stick around in the tournament area because i feel so ashamed of myself, youve never seen me once i get home after one of my failed mlg runs, i get so fucking depressed that i start thinking my future and whether or not im washed up and should quit playing, u dont know wat goes through my head so pls dont act like u do If losing makes you so depressed why did you 1base carrier? Exactly. That's the 1 million dollar question. I hope this gets the proper attention. Why does TheBest cheese all the time when he normally plays incredibly solid macro games in practice? Why did Moon 6-pool in the Dreamhack finals when he's shown that he can beat Huk in a macro game? There's really no way to definitively prove that TT1 actually "threw" the game short of asking him for a written confession. He did write it though. On the forums anwyay. he didnt say he threw the games he said he went 1 base carrier Isn't it the same? I mean who goes 1 base carriers in the final of a big tournament ? Don't pretend that you wouldn't have eaten it all up if WhiteRa went 1-base carriers in the finals of a major tournament.
that is speshul taktiks...this, not so much :-p
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On September 02 2011 12:14 StutteR wrote:
Speaking as a Korean it was probably Vitamins and some herbal bullshit. Koreans do not condone drug use.
That's way far away from the grey/black area. Proper mind and body upkeep is no sin.
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On September 02 2011 12:13 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:08 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:07 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:06 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:03 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 11:54 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 11:53 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:35 TT1 wrote:On September 02 2011 11:02 billyX333 wrote:
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Evidence for my argument? My argument was that the incentive to win is there regardless of prize pool. Why the fuck would anybody compete in MLG. The only players who will on average net a profit from flying across the globe to MLG would be the 4 koreans put in group play. Everyone else is playing for love for the game, competition, or for sponsors.
Just because players like TT1 ignore all incentives except for cash prizes doesn't invalidate any argument. All it does is prove there are idiots out there who don't give a shit about the game or competition. TT1 proved that a long time ago. Thats why TT1 will probably never have fans and that's also why he should go find a new job anyway if all he wants is cash
hahaha i dont care about the competition, thats the only reason why i still play this game u think naniwa is a hardcore competitor? just because hes been in the spotlight much longer than me that doesnt mean he has more heart/drive than me, u dont know the half it bro i promise u theres no one in this game that wants to win to more than me, whenever i get knocked out of tournament i dont even stick around in the tournament area because i feel so ashamed of myself, youve never seen me once i get home after one of my failed mlg runs, i get so fucking depressed that i start thinking my future and whether or not im washed up and should quit playing, u dont know wat goes through my head so pls dont act like u do If losing makes you so depressed why did you 1base carrier? Exactly. That's the 1 million dollar question. I hope this gets the proper attention. Why does TheBest cheese all the time when he normally plays incredibly solid macro games in practice? Why did Moon 6-pool in the Dreamhack finals when he's shown that he can beat Huk in a macro game? There's really no way to definitively prove that TT1 actually "threw" the game short of asking him for a written confession. He did write it though. On the forums anwyay. he didnt say he threw the games he said he went 1 base carrier His implication was that because he had a backroom deal to have money already in his pocket, it affected his play inside the game. Is that better? It's not really different. I saw select take some kind of pill to increase his focus at an MLG, it probably affected his play inside the game is that cheating? is that wrong? That depends if he has the pill for a legitimate medical reason or if he's popping someone else's prescription just to boost his gameplay.
he told me it wasn't illegal or anything, you don't need a prescription, I didn't care honestly, it's like somebody who would drink coffee before a tournament cuz he's tired
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On September 02 2011 12:16 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:13 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:08 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:07 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:06 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:03 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 11:54 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 11:53 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 11:35 TT1 wrote:
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hahaha i dont care about the competition, thats the only reason why i still play this game
u think naniwa is a hardcore competitor? just because hes been in the spotlight much longer than me that doesnt mean he has more heart/drive than me, u dont know the half it bro
i promise u theres no one in this game that wants to win to more than me, whenever i get knocked out of tournament i dont even stick around in the tournament area because i feel so ashamed of myself, youve never seen me once i get home after one of my failed mlg runs, i get so fucking depressed that i start thinking my future and whether or not im washed up and should quit playing, u dont know wat goes through my head so pls dont act like u do If losing makes you so depressed why did you 1base carrier? Exactly. That's the 1 million dollar question. I hope this gets the proper attention. Why does TheBest cheese all the time when he normally plays incredibly solid macro games in practice? Why did Moon 6-pool in the Dreamhack finals when he's shown that he can beat Huk in a macro game? There's really no way to definitively prove that TT1 actually "threw" the game short of asking him for a written confession. He did write it though. On the forums anwyay. he didnt say he threw the games he said he went 1 base carrier His implication was that because he had a backroom deal to have money already in his pocket, it affected his play inside the game. Is that better? It's not really different. I saw select take some kind of pill to increase his focus at an MLG, it probably affected his play inside the game is that cheating? is that wrong? That depends if he has the pill for a legitimate medical reason or if he's popping someone else's prescription just to boost his gameplay. he told me it wasn't illegal or anything, you don't need a prescription, I didn't care honestly, it's like somebody who would drink coffee before a tournament cuz he's tired
Don't need a prescription in which country, America or Korea?
If it is an aderall equivalent then it would need a prescription in America most likely. Hence if it didn't require a prescription I would be fine with it.
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