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On September 02 2011 12:59 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:56 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. The prize is tiny, and almost irrelevant to many players. How many people do you think would show up to 2012 MLGs if they announced they're removing all prize money from the tournament? Internationals wouldn't show up because they have to invest money to travel, for zero return on investment. With no Europeans or Koreans showing up the level of competition would severely diminish and the tournament would quickly fall out of the limelight. Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:55 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. First place is $5k. It's already a tiny prize. The reason why that place is so coveted is because of the exposure. $5k for 3 days effort is pretty good, not too many occupations offer that kind of income.
sadly it's impossible to see it like that, nobody is gonna win everytime he shows up
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On September 02 2011 12:59 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:57 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:54 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Almin2 wrote:On September 02 2011 12:48 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:45 Almin2 wrote:On September 02 2011 12:44 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:42 exShikari wrote:On September 02 2011 12:40 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:39 Almin2 wrote:
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I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator. Players have no obligation to you. Yes they do. Without the fans they have no jobs. It's their responsibility to conduct themselves in a professional manner. Go play your best friend for 1 million dollars. Winner takes 90%, loser takes 10%. Then tell me that prize splitting should be banned. Go and tell me if they split money, that they played to the best of their ability regardless of monetary outcome. I don't think they would. They'd play well, but not, top of their game since they've already won. So you'd agree to play your best friend of same skill in sc2 for 1 million dollars 90/10 split? 1) The prize pool wouldn't be that skewed 2) Probably wouldn't be the first or last 1 million dollar tournament 3) No I would not split the money. It crosses a moral line. If you won the lottery, would you give all your friends part of the pot, even if they also bought lottery tickets? I think not. 1) Exact percent don't really matter, there are tournaments with extremely skewed pots 2) Doesn't change the fact that it's 1million 3) Good joke. 1) Yes it does, there are currently extremely skewed pots but that only brings the worst in people hence the argument that pots shouldn't be skewed like that. 2) Yes it does, because if you've won 1million from a tournament previously you're less likely to make the decision to split regardless. If you haven't won 1mil from a tournament previously and you're never likely to win that much in a tournament and every single tournament was this ridiculously top heavy then you probably shouldn't be competing because you can't support yourself financially without making under the table deals with other players. 3) You're the joke. most SC2 pro gamers are pretty damn broke, so nobody should be competing except a select few of us? get real
Not what I was saying in the slightest. If the prize pool was skewed in the way then that would/should be the case. Prizes are not currently skewed that heavily.
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On September 02 2011 13:03 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:59 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:56 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. The prize is tiny, and almost irrelevant to many players. How many people do you think would show up to 2012 MLGs if they announced they're removing all prize money from the tournament? Internationals wouldn't show up because they have to invest money to travel, for zero return on investment. With no Europeans or Koreans showing up the level of competition would severely diminish and the tournament would quickly fall out of the limelight. On September 02 2011 12:55 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. First place is $5k. It's already a tiny prize. The reason why that place is so coveted is because of the exposure. $5k for 3 days effort is pretty good, not too many occupations offer that kind of income. sadly it's impossible to see it like that, nobody is gonna win everytime he shows up
and also it's not only 3 days, it's much more time invested to prepare for mlg
mlg definitely does not provide good monetary benefits, it's all about the exposure
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On September 02 2011 13:02 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:59 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:57 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:56 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. The prize is tiny, and almost irrelevant to many players. MLG is a well run tournament on all sides. I do believe more prizemoney is warranted. But so far the real gem is community support. Not the prize. Its a big gem too, foreigner scene really likes MLG so far. Right, so when player from team 'X' splits with his teammate in the finals, do you think they're not going to try their hardest to win the finals? I think this issue is better directed at smaller tournaments to be honest, where the viewership is large enough where it is interesting, but not syndicated. For MLG, the benefits of exposure is so high it kind of mutes the prize earnings.
The example still works though. Winning tournaments isn't entirely about the prize money.
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On September 02 2011 13:00 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:59 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:57 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:55 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:54 ReignFayth wrote:read carefully, they didn't just split the prize pool, someone forfeited matches so it was match fixing really It's really easy to blur that line. Not really. As long as every party involved consents, it's not match fixing. Yeah but then some people want in halfway, some people want out, some people dont go through with it and so forth. It gets really ugly. why do you think fenix got kicked out of Fnatic
Then great. Fenix is better off without Fnatic anyway and Fnatic can have the rest of there awesome team. Which is who by the way? Rain and who else?
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On September 02 2011 13:03 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:59 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:56 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. The prize is tiny, and almost irrelevant to many players. How many people do you think would show up to 2012 MLGs if they announced they're removing all prize money from the tournament? Internationals wouldn't show up because they have to invest money to travel, for zero return on investment. With no Europeans or Koreans showing up the level of competition would severely diminish and the tournament would quickly fall out of the limelight. On September 02 2011 12:55 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. First place is $5k. It's already a tiny prize. The reason why that place is so coveted is because of the exposure. $5k for 3 days effort is pretty good, not too many occupations offer that kind of income. sadly it's impossible to see it like that, nobody is gonna win everytime he shows up
Yes but the exposure the tournament offers would not be there if the prize was $0. You get exposure even if you don't win.
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On September 02 2011 13:02 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:59 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:57 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:56 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. The prize is tiny, and almost irrelevant to many players. MLG is a well run tournament on all sides. I do believe more prizemoney is warranted. But so far the real gem is community support. Not the prize. Its a big gem too, foreigner scene really likes MLG so far. Right, so when player from team 'X' splits with his teammate in the finals, do you think they're not going to try their hardest to win the finals? I think this issue is better directed at smaller tournaments to be honest, where the viewership is large enough where it is interesting, but not syndicated. For MLG, the benefits of exposure is so high it kind of mutes the prize earnings.
Well, major tournaments like MLG will have Koreans and top notch foreigners who will play their best and win like a pro gamer should. Those greedy "pros" that are just in it for the money will never win anything with that kind of mindset. For minor tournaments where they can actually match fix, noone will take those seriously and the sponsors will bail.
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On September 02 2011 13:04 FawkingGoomba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 13:02 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:59 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:57 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:56 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. The prize is tiny, and almost irrelevant to many players. MLG is a well run tournament on all sides. I do believe more prizemoney is warranted. But so far the real gem is community support. Not the prize. Its a big gem too, foreigner scene really likes MLG so far. Right, so when player from team 'X' splits with his teammate in the finals, do you think they're not going to try their hardest to win the finals? I think this issue is better directed at smaller tournaments to be honest, where the viewership is large enough where it is interesting, but not syndicated. For MLG, the benefits of exposure is so high it kind of mutes the prize earnings. The example still works though. Winning tournaments isn't entirely about the prize money.
MLG is a very very far outlier in terms of exposure : money
If MLG removed their prize money though, it definitely would not provide nearly the exposure it currently does.
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On September 02 2011 13:04 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 13:03 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:59 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:56 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. The prize is tiny, and almost irrelevant to many players. How many people do you think would show up to 2012 MLGs if they announced they're removing all prize money from the tournament? Internationals wouldn't show up because they have to invest money to travel, for zero return on investment. With no Europeans or Koreans showing up the level of competition would severely diminish and the tournament would quickly fall out of the limelight. On September 02 2011 12:55 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. First place is $5k. It's already a tiny prize. The reason why that place is so coveted is because of the exposure. $5k for 3 days effort is pretty good, not too many occupations offer that kind of income. sadly it's impossible to see it like that, nobody is gonna win everytime he shows up Yes but the exposure the tournament offers would not be there if the prize was $0. You get exposure even if you don't win.
If people still watched, the prizepool could be a carrot and players would still show.
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On September 02 2011 13:04 FawkingGoomba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 13:02 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:59 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:57 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:56 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. The prize is tiny, and almost irrelevant to many players. MLG is a well run tournament on all sides. I do believe more prizemoney is warranted. But so far the real gem is community support. Not the prize. Its a big gem too, foreigner scene really likes MLG so far. Right, so when player from team 'X' splits with his teammate in the finals, do you think they're not going to try their hardest to win the finals? I think this issue is better directed at smaller tournaments to be honest, where the viewership is large enough where it is interesting, but not syndicated. For MLG, the benefits of exposure is so high it kind of mutes the prize earnings. The example still works though. Winning tournaments isn't entirely about the prize money.
I think MLG could deserve a specific conversation about it. The prize is so low afterall. I think a better topic would be NASL, or maybe even GSL if the situation is right. Like Losira and nestea.
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On September 02 2011 13:04 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 13:00 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:59 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:57 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:55 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:54 ReignFayth wrote:read carefully, they didn't just split the prize pool, someone forfeited matches so it was match fixing really It's really easy to blur that line. Not really. As long as every party involved consents, it's not match fixing. Yeah but then some people want in halfway, some people want out, some people dont go through with it and so forth. It gets really ugly. why do you think fenix got kicked out of Fnatic Then great. Fenix is better off without Fnatic anyway and Fnatic can have the rest of there awesome team. Which is who by the way? Rain and who else?
TT1, KawaiiRice, Nightend, Iefnaij... maybe I forgot someone
they are all talented players, none of them really below fenix
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On September 02 2011 09:53 Emporio wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 09:48 hyptonic wrote:
think of all the shitty GSL finals
they could have all been split.
MarineKing is not sliver king, but splitking (money and marines) Maybe you wouldn't try as hard because of money (hypothetically, honestly I don't think money is the important factor here), you would still try hard to not be an embarrassment. Can you imagine being Inca standing on that stage with Nestea after being slaughtered like it's never been seen before?
There is no way Nestea split with IncA that would make NO sense.
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On September 02 2011 13:06 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 13:04 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 13:00 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:59 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:57 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:55 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:54 ReignFayth wrote:read carefully, they didn't just split the prize pool, someone forfeited matches so it was match fixing really It's really easy to blur that line. Not really. As long as every party involved consents, it's not match fixing. Yeah but then some people want in halfway, some people want out, some people dont go through with it and so forth. It gets really ugly. why do you think fenix got kicked out of Fnatic Then great. Fenix is better off without Fnatic anyway and Fnatic can have the rest of there awesome team. Which is who by the way? Rain and who else? TT1, KawaiiRice, Nightend, Iefnaij... maybe I forgot someone they are all talented players, none of them really below fenix
Is that with or without deal making? Because I don't think Fenix did an 1 base carrier all in to beat oGs.
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On September 02 2011 13:06 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 13:04 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 13:02 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:59 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:57 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:56 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. The prize is tiny, and almost irrelevant to many players. MLG is a well run tournament on all sides. I do believe more prizemoney is warranted. But so far the real gem is community support. Not the prize. Its a big gem too, foreigner scene really likes MLG so far. Right, so when player from team 'X' splits with his teammate in the finals, do you think they're not going to try their hardest to win the finals? I think this issue is better directed at smaller tournaments to be honest, where the viewership is large enough where it is interesting, but not syndicated. For MLG, the benefits of exposure is so high it kind of mutes the prize earnings. The example still works though. Winning tournaments isn't entirely about the prize money. I think MLG could deserve a specific conversation about it. The prize is so low afterall. I think a better topic would be NASL, or maybe even GSL if the situation is right. Like Losira and nestea.
Winning those tournaments still brings huge prestige/name recognition. Every player is going to try their hardest even if they split the prize.
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On September 02 2011 13:06 FawkingGoomba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 13:04 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 13:03 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:59 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:56 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. The prize is tiny, and almost irrelevant to many players. How many people do you think would show up to 2012 MLGs if they announced they're removing all prize money from the tournament? Internationals wouldn't show up because they have to invest money to travel, for zero return on investment. With no Europeans or Koreans showing up the level of competition would severely diminish and the tournament would quickly fall out of the limelight. On September 02 2011 12:55 babylon wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. First place is $5k. It's already a tiny prize. The reason why that place is so coveted is because of the exposure. $5k for 3 days effort is pretty good, not too many occupations offer that kind of income. sadly it's impossible to see it like that, nobody is gonna win everytime he shows up Yes but the exposure the tournament offers would not be there if the prize was $0. You get exposure even if you don't win. If people still watched, the prizepool could be a carrot and players would still show.
If the prizepool was a carrot not as many people would watch though.
Remember there is also the playoffs which are worth a lot more than each individual MLG, they're playing for the points to get into the playoffs.
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On September 02 2011 13:07 anrimayu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 13:06 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 13:04 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 13:00 ReignFayth wrote:On September 02 2011 12:59 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:57 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:55 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:54 ReignFayth wrote:read carefully, they didn't just split the prize pool, someone forfeited matches so it was match fixing really It's really easy to blur that line. Not really. As long as every party involved consents, it's not match fixing. Yeah but then some people want in halfway, some people want out, some people dont go through with it and so forth. It gets really ugly. why do you think fenix got kicked out of Fnatic Then great. Fenix is better off without Fnatic anyway and Fnatic can have the rest of there awesome team. Which is who by the way? Rain and who else? TT1, KawaiiRice, Nightend, Iefnaij... maybe I forgot someone they are all talented players, none of them really below fenix Is that with or without deal making? Because I don't think Fenix did an 1 base carrier all in to beat oGs.
it was 2 base charged zealots into carriers afaik, and back then TT1 was winning most of the time against fenix, so I dunno, prob metagame
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On September 02 2011 12:52 Almin2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 12:48 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:45 Almin2 wrote:On September 02 2011 12:44 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:42 exShikari wrote:On September 02 2011 12:40 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:39 Almin2 wrote:On September 02 2011 12:33 Xavv wrote:
If anybody thinks that setting up finals for anything in eSports and having teammates or friends split a tournament prize pool is helpful to eSports AT ALL they are dilusional.
This forum is bleeding with people who claim to have passion for playing Video Games professionally as a Career and that becoming more of a mainstream thing, it blows my mind how somebody claiming to be part of that movement can be agreeing to this.
If people want others to take this seriously it has to be done and played out in a serious way, Otherwise the rest of the world is just going to think we're a bunch of lazy idiots wanting to get paid to play video games.
What happened to the value of competition? I completely agree. To say this isn't practically match fixing is terribly wrong. Its because they won't care about quality of games to provide a proper show for the viewers because they'll be getting paid either way. There's something different when a person WANTS 1st place, not 2nd, or 3rd. Money should be a motivator. Players have no obligation to you. Yes they do. Without the fans they have no jobs. It's their responsibility to conduct themselves in a professional manner. Go play your best friend for 1 million dollars. Winner takes 90%, loser takes 10%. Then tell me that prize splitting should be banned. Go and tell me if they split money, that they played to the best of their ability regardless of monetary outcome. I don't think they would. They'd play well, but not, top of their game since they've already won. So you'd agree to play your best friend of same skill in sc2 for 1 million dollars 90/10 split? 1) The prize pool wouldn't be that skewed 2) Probably wouldn't be the first or last 1 million dollar tournament 3) No I would not split the money. It crosses a moral line. If you won the lottery, would you give all your friends part of the pot, even if they also bought lottery tickets? I think not.
Your analogy is retarded. It would be applicable if you and your friend were the only two people to buy lottery tickets, and one is guarenteed a winner. Would you rather have a 50/50 chance at having 1 million dollars, or a 100% chance of having 500k? Most people would choose the safe 500k route if they needed the money.
Ever watch Deal or No Deal? It's the same reason people accept the banker's offer despite there always being a higher value in play.
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hmm... okay here's how i see it:
1. assured of having 50% of the winnings, both players can play more confidently and with less nerves. downside is that without pressure, we don't get to see the real "champion" who performs under stress.
2. even with split winnings, first place has definite benefits that second does not (fame, seedings, fulfilling fans' expectations) - it's extremely unlikely that a progamer (who exists purely because he is extremely competitive) will play much below their peak level. that would only happen if progamers were motivated 100% by money, which would be stupid. you can make more than the average pro working a minimum wage job.
3. specifically in the case of fenix and tt1, i can't see much fault in it. being on the same team means you train together a lot, encourage each other, and get very close (apparently not as close as i'd think though LOL)!!!! given the same situation i would definitely offer/take a split myself.
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On September 02 2011 13:05 anrimayu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 13:02 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:59 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:57 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:56 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. The prize is tiny, and almost irrelevant to many players. MLG is a well run tournament on all sides. I do believe more prizemoney is warranted. But so far the real gem is community support. Not the prize. Its a big gem too, foreigner scene really likes MLG so far. Right, so when player from team 'X' splits with his teammate in the finals, do you think they're not going to try their hardest to win the finals? I think this issue is better directed at smaller tournaments to be honest, where the viewership is large enough where it is interesting, but not syndicated. For MLG, the benefits of exposure is so high it kind of mutes the prize earnings. Well, major tournaments like MLG will have Koreans and top notch foreigners who will play their best and win like a pro gamer should. Those greedy "pros" that are just in it for the money will never win anything with that kind of mindset. For minor tournaments where they can actually match fix, noone will take those seriously and the sponsors will bail.
Earlier in the thread, ToD said that he viewed deal-cutting as a standard between teammates. He cut a deal back in his WC3 days with Grubby for a $30k first prize. He won and split it, as was agreed.
Saying that ToD or Grubby were "in it for the money" and "never [won] anything" is idiotic at best. I hope you know about the dangers of generalizing now. Also, saying that Kiwi is in SC2 for the money is laughable.
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On September 02 2011 13:07 FawkingGoomba wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2011 13:06 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 13:04 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 13:02 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:59 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:57 Medrea wrote:On September 02 2011 12:56 FawkingGoomba wrote:On September 02 2011 12:52 Tektos wrote:On September 02 2011 12:51 FawkingGoomba wrote:
If you're in the finals of an MLG and suddenly there's no prizepool. You're still going to try your hardest because winning an MLG has benefits other than the slight prizepool difference.
"Oh no! I'm not getting any prize money! Time to throw the game!" <---- This doesn't fucking happen. If MLG offered no prize money people wouldn't show up in the first place. The prize is tiny, and almost irrelevant to many players. MLG is a well run tournament on all sides. I do believe more prizemoney is warranted. But so far the real gem is community support. Not the prize. Its a big gem too, foreigner scene really likes MLG so far. Right, so when player from team 'X' splits with his teammate in the finals, do you think they're not going to try their hardest to win the finals? I think this issue is better directed at smaller tournaments to be honest, where the viewership is large enough where it is interesting, but not syndicated. For MLG, the benefits of exposure is so high it kind of mutes the prize earnings. The example still works though. Winning tournaments isn't entirely about the prize money. I think MLG could deserve a specific conversation about it. The prize is so low afterall. I think a better topic would be NASL, or maybe even GSL if the situation is right. Like Losira and nestea. Winning those tournaments still brings huge prestige/name recognition. Every player is going to try their hardest even if they split the prize.
Yeah, i agree. I hope that fan support continues to be the lion's share of the 1st place prize.
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