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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:27 StutteR wrote: Pretty sure that was different from what is being talked about. Do you have links/evidence? Sure do. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=290017 It's not SC2, but it is MLG and I don't think MLG would permit such thing in one game and not another. | ||
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MyNameWuzBoB
57 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:21 Kaitlin wrote: Don't we have professional gamblers (although I guess poker isn't gambling ? ) playing SC2 professionally, and even posting in this very thread ? Hmm, insider gamblers ... This whole "deal making" idea is looking full of integrity. What's your point? People want to split their money so what? It's their money to do whatever they want with. | ||
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StutteR
United States1903 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
Only speculation, but it wouldn't surprise me. Fayth didn't mention them, though he's said that he thinks Losira and NesTea must have chopped. It would be dumb not to split for Blizzcon finals if MVP and NesTea get there, anyways. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:31 MyNameWuzBoB wrote: What's your point? People want to split their money so what? It's their money to do whatever they want with. The problem is that the spectator/tournament is not getting the same quality product. It cheapens the game and cheats us fans. | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
In the end, their plan didn't end up working either. That's a good lesson. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:31 StutteR wrote: Question: How is this different from a Team taking part of a player's winnings and distributing it among the team? It's different because that is part of the contract the player agrees to when signing with a team. Has no impact whatsoever on tournament integrity. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:29 Pills wrote: Posted this in the Fenix to IM thread, but decided it was probably more appropriate here: What Fenix did was a dick move, but I'm kinda happy it worked out like that. If TT1 really did throw away a couple of those games, then he deserved it. Agreements like these completely ruin the spirit of competition, and is a huge middle-finger to the fans that waited to see two deserving players duke it out for all the marbles. Hopefully in the future, players will learn not to make these underhanded agreements. TT1 got his comeuppance, and it'll be funny to see if Fenix gets a taste of karma in the future. there's no such thing as "he deserved it" wtf is wrong with you people if TT1 really did throw the game where he went carriers then it's stupid and annoying for the viewers and his own reputation what Fenix did is an entirely different matter, he backed out of a deal he agreed to, this is stealing... | ||
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JeanLuc
Canada377 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:30 babylon wrote: ToD, Grubby, TT1, Fenix (reneging on the deal doesn't change the fact that he initially made it), and according to Fayth, the teams Reign, EG, mouz, Dignitas, and SlayerS. Have fun, dude. That is fucking awful. SC2 pro's should feel awful about themselves right now. I bet SlayerS is doing bad in GSTL because they already have there hands in the other teams pockets. I know Frank and Tranqfx of Reign personally, Im gonna go ask them about this. EG Dignitas and mouz are on my shitlist now. | ||
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StutteR
United States1903 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:31 Kaitlin wrote: Sure do. http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=290017 It's not SC2, but it is MLG and I don't think MLG would permit such thing in one game and not another. I think that was in the middle of the tournament. A player didn't like his chances and tried to get a split. I feel like doing it before a tournament is saying, we trained together, we worked together, let's share the rewards together. | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:31 MyNameWuzBoB wrote: What's your point? People want to split their money so what? It's their money to do whatever they want with. It's not their money. There are conditions that players agree to when entering a tournament. Tread carefully if you choose to violate the conditions the tournament imposes. | ||
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roymarthyup
1442 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:33 ReignFayth wrote: there's no such thing as "he deserved it" wtf is wrong with you people if TT1 really did throw the game where he went carriers then it's stupid and annoying for the viewers and his own reputation what Fenix did is an entirely different matter, he backed out of a deal he agreed to, this is stealing... its not stealing, its creative warfare tt1 should have won if he wanted the money | ||
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NTTemplar
609 Posts
One doesn't spend that many hours a day out of free will to become among the best in the world on it just for money, there are plenty of other better ways to do that. You sit down hours with starcraft a day becoming a pro because you love the game, and I think most pros can agree that if they have the minimum of a decent income it is more important how well they do than how much money they get. If a pro gamer was given the choice of getting 1st place but half the money or 8 place and compared to 1st, twice the money, then I sincerly believe most if not all pro gamers would pick 1st place. It is fame and glory on the line, not just money. Money is mostly if not always picked when it is necessary, not when it is just "nice to have" or something along those lines. I also would promote this between teammates of around equal chances to win, helps with keeping the spirit up, to grow a stronger friendship and I believe give better games. My immediate personal opinion (personal being what I like, not what I logicly think) on the matter of non teammates doing it is, that I dislike it. Do note all of the above are my opinions (Though I do consider all, apart from those explicitly stated otherwise, to be based on a fairly objective and logical PoV.) To summarize: I am for it between teammates of about equal chance of winnin; I am unsure, but tilting towards "no" in other scenarios as of now. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:30 roymarthyup wrote: im actually more of a fan of FENIX after hearing what he did fenix did what needs to be done. if tournaments dont fix dealmaking by changing their rules or how the tournaments are run, then players themselves should use dealmaking to their advantage. fenix told TT1 he would do a deal, then he won the finals because of that advantage, and kept all the money for himself and laughed at TT1 hahahaha. alls fair in love and war boys. kudos to fenix and i support him more as a fan for his brilliant actions. approving of thievery and being proud of it what kind of world do we live in -.- | ||
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TT1
Canada10011 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:02 billyX333 wrote: Evidence for my argument? My argument was that the incentive to win is there regardless of prize pool. Why the fuck would anybody compete in MLG. The only players who will on average net a profit from flying across the globe to MLG would be the 4 koreans put in group play. Everyone else is playing for love for the game, competition, or for sponsors. Just because players like TT1 ignore all incentives except for cash prizes doesn't invalidate any argument. All it does is prove there are idiots out there who don't give a shit about the game or competition. TT1 proved that a long time ago. Thats why TT1 will probably never have fans and that's also why he should go find a new job anyway if all he wants is cash hahaha i dont care about the competition, thats the only reason why i still play this game u think naniwa is a hardcore competitor? just because hes been in the spotlight much longer than me that doesnt mean he has more heart/drive than me, u dont know the half it bro i promise u theres no one in this game that wants to win to more than me, whenever i get knocked out of tournament i dont even stick around in the tournament area because i feel so ashamed of myself, youve never seen me once i get home after one of my failed mlg runs, i get so fucking depressed that i start thinking my future and whether or not im washed up and should quit playing, u dont know wat goes through my head so pls dont act like u do | ||
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Kaitlin
United States2958 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:34 StutteR wrote: I think that was in the middle of the tournament. A player didn't like his chances and tried to get a split. I feel like doing it before a tournament is saying, we trained together, we worked together, let's share the rewards together. As long as MLG and their sponsors feel the same as you, then everything is great. They don't, however. | ||
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Rylaji
Sweden580 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:23 ReignFayth wrote: I can't believe some people are dumb enough to back fenix in this situation, it's FLAT OUT WRONG you agreed to a fucking deal, you respect your end of the deal, the deal was: WE SPLIT 50/50 IN THE FINALS seriously, how is fenix reputation not destroyed right now is beyond me, lots of shady people on TL Are u retarded? How the fuck does the world work were you live were a person intent of doing something wrong, then backs out and you think it's bad. If I make a deal with someone to throw a game or fucking kill someone, and I realize no I don't wanna do this. Is that wrong in your book? I need to "keep my word". This ain't the fucking Godfather. Get real son. | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
On September 02 2011 11:33 Xxavi wrote: I think it was wrong of TT1 to play the game lightly. I mean, you can have an agreement, and you might have a clear intention of keeping that agreement alive, but that doesn't prevent you from doing your best. Because the money will be shared, it doesn't matter who wins. So then why not make sure the best wins and fans see legit games? In the end, their plan didn't end up working either. That's a good lesson. this is starting to get frustrating lol their plan didn't work out cuz fenix is a lying greedy bastard | ||
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