APM measurements changes in 1.4.0 - Page 19

On August 28 2011 01:37 Odal wrote:
I literally just explained why people apm spam yet there are like 5 posts of people like DURR APM SPAM JUST FOR E PEEN DURR. Does anyone even read?

On August 28 2011 01:29 Grapefruit wrote:
It blows my mind that some people actually think that this change is "bad".

Seriously, what the fuck?!

On August 28 2011 01:32 Xenocryst wrote:
the reason people think it is bad is because people always want a reason to think that they're better than they are...... now apm is gone for them so they're angry

On August 28 2011 01:37 Masayume wrote:
It is a bad change because it does not count certain actions while it does count others.

Going 4-5-6-7 every X seconds to check production/chrono activity/injects or whatever is not ineffective spamming, it's trying to be as spot on as can be with macro.

The new change abolishes all of that, but still leaves in spam clicking as counted actions.

And those that use APM to measure their skill, well let them have their silly bubble, you know wether or not the APM of a player is valid or not, as it can be observed.

Just give an option to switch between measurement systems if it's really going to be implemented because the new system as far as PTR testing goes is majorly flawed.

Edit: Odal, you, me and many more are constantly trying to explain the proper value of APM and how it should be read. But people just seem to be ignorant when it comes to educating themselves and musing over an aspect like APM from every angle before posting.

I just cannot believe that a large amount of posts in this thread try to justify a so far flawed new measurement system so people cannot boast about their start of the game APM anymore.

Hint: people using APM as the end all, be all measure of skill, while not understanding why professional players reach said APM by using effective tapping actions, and then start spamming their own little keys just for APM boosts instead of actual use to boast about it, are just silly.

It is SO easy to seperate a real high APM player that actually uses the APM from a silly person just spamming to get a higher count. The APM system should not be changed in a way that removes the display of tapping routines and selection actions just because of a few silly geese that do not understand how current APM meters should be read.

Seems to me that the average level of posting is declining as of late on TL.

1: Think before you post
2: Try to come up with solutions or added value for discussion

On August 28 2011 06:26 Zdrastochye wrote:
The people who have argued that this change is bad, still haven't touched on how it affects players skill in game, and if it doesn't, then this change has no impact on the game at any level. You can still cycle until your hearts content, and if you want to see the speed at which you're doing that in the form of a really big number, then yes you are simply stroking your epeen.

Sad but true.

On August 28 2011 07:01 usethis2 wrote:

Completely agree with this point of view and it's very to the point. People, this new APM measurement does NOT stop you from cycling around your hotkeys. You can do whatever you want with your hotkeys like you have been doing. It won't affect your skill nor win/loss. If you're upset because you can't see how fast you're doing that.. then yeah, it's more of a e-peen thing than anything else.

There *might* be some folks who actually measure their skill improvement with how fast they have been cycling, but I have to assume those are minority and they will not stop improving their skills because of this.

Besides which, it is irritating for casters to compare APM between the players in the middle of a game and attempt to leave impression to viewers who's better player, who's higher-level, who's with BW-background and whatnot. And this game is not BW. It's always puzzling to see people try to draw parallel between SC2 and BW.

On August 28 2011 08:11 IcedBacon wrote:


Too bad no one GAINS anything from this change so it makes it completely useless. As for casters making too big a deal about APM, that's their problem being bad casters and not a problem with the APM system.

"Repeated control group and selection commands will no longer count as unique actions for APM calculation purposes."

On August 28 2011 14:20 Audi309 wrote:


Maybe it's just me, but the way I read this, "245245245" still will count as 9 actions, given that they aren't being repeatedly selected. I think this would be ideal, as it allows a player diligently tapping to see an increased apm, whereas someone simply spamming 444444444 doesn't.

On August 28 2011 14:09 dest1ny wrote:
If every valid action needs to be synchronized with the server, and players spam 300-400 APM at the beginning of the game by selecting workers, it makes perfect sense to find a workaround.
I think the intention was not to redefine the term APM by filtering actions, but rather to reduce the bandwidth usage.