Unit Speed and 1.4 Seeker Missile - Page 6

On August 26 2011 03:55 beg wrote:

hsm has an area of 2, while storm has an area of 1.5 . but would still suck against overlords... yet it's good against clumped up army (mass zergling, roach, baneling, muta, etc)

On August 26 2011 03:57 tnud wrote:

HSM does 25 dmg in an area of 2..., 50 dmg in an area of 1... 100 dmg in an area of 0.6.

On August 26 2011 03:59 CoR wrote:
what is a "fast zealot" ? you cant charge away (this patch also make new move order remove charge) so you can put out fast zealot plz this unit not exist

On August 26 2011 02:43 Gemini_19 wrote:


You mean when the game was completely different?

On August 26 2011 03:56 beg wrote:
remember guys... TvP isn't the only matchup. if HSM would be made more viable in TvZ and TvT, that would be really cool already.


you don't get storm in PvP either, right?!

On August 26 2011 04:10 tehemperorer wrote:

The comparison that should be made is, "Do you ever get increased observer speed?"

On August 26 2011 04:11 beg wrote:

no... people are arguing that HSM isn't viable at all because protoss has feedback. ok. but there's more than 1 matchup. it's no problem if HSM is useless in TvP. it doesn't need to be good in all 3 matchups.

thanks for your useful comment.

On August 26 2011 04:13 tehemperorer wrote:

It's useless in all 3 matchups. Fabled said TvZ it was joke, and in TvP/TvT the raven has better uses. Dunno what you want from the unit.

On August 26 2011 04:06 Zirith wrote:
What you people fail to realize is how cost effective good control of caster units is, even watching the pros, they throw units away all the time, if they had ravens they would care more and avoid losing as many. Terrans basically always have an excess of gas late game, it really is not a problem. When analyzing something you have to look at it objectively, not provide your bias based on the any blaring cons that you happen to notice.

Furthermore, 6 range, what other unit does terran have??? Seige tanks! you place them 2 range behind the ravens and now you give your enemies an option, either charge in and try to kill the tanks, or run away and lose slow units to seeker missile.

Strategy is hard.

Only an idiot would go, "oh we have to test the viability of ravens, now how can we fly over that pack of stalkers and seeker missile them with only ravens?? oh we can't we would have to waste 200-400 for 1 seeker", but it is only 400-800 for 3 seeker missiles, 3 missiles can kill ~40 marines, all of their casters, or an absurd amount of banelings/zerglings(as they charge into you)

Another easy tactic is to just hide 3 ravens until you advance onto their creep with tanks and as they rush in you do what was described before, those lings either have to run away and continue to get shelled, or lose 20 lings in the immediate blast radius.

On August 26 2011 03:50 Bagi wrote:
I'm just baffled why HSM has so many disadvantages compared to the other AOE spells (fungal/EMP/storm).

- Needs to be researched (similar to storm in this regard)
- Costs 125 energy instead of 75
- Has a range of 6 instead of 9
- Is a relatively slow-moving projectile that can be avoided with micro
- Has a smaller AOE

I understand that a spell that deals 100 damage + AOE cannot be instant, but the disadvantages are just too much. The only reason I can personally think of is that its not even meant to be on the level of the more commonly used spells listed above. Its probably more of a "fun" ability meant for team games and FFA's, since terran has plenty of options as it is.

On August 26 2011 04:23 Xinder wrote:
What about more worker harass? Workers were listed under the need a head start option. they get clumped up and it would rock groups of workers. Fly a raven around their mineral line and toss a missile at the probes/drones/scvs. Watch as they blow up like being hit by a baneling bomb.

On August 26 2011 04:23 Xinder wrote:
What about more worker harass? Workers were listed under the need a head start option. they get clumped up and it would rock groups of workers. Fly a raven around their mineral line and toss a missile at the probes/drones/scvs. Watch as they blow up like being hit by a baneling bomb.

On August 26 2011 04:24 Bagi wrote:

Except that banelings do their full damage in a much bigger area.

If every mineral node has 2 SCV's, you might kill 6 with one missile. Its probably better to toss 2-3 auto turrets instead.

On August 26 2011 03:57 tnud wrote:

HSM does 25 dmg in an area of 2..., 50 dmg in an area of 1... 100 dmg in an area of 0.6.