EPTWhy 1/1/1 is considered to be imbalanced in Korea - Page 59
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:36 Kiarip wrote: cannons + phoenix hold this with big advantage. so just gotta find a solid way to play a stargate-nexus-forge build yeah because cannons are great against seige tanks | ||
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tranmillitary
210 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:30 T.BonePickens wrote: I'm just curious how well the 1/1/1 does against holding off a 4gate? I understand that the 4gate timing should hit before heavy tech units are produced. I feel if 4gate becomes used in the match up, Tarrens will be more reluctant to tech so hard, since they are only producing marines from one barracks. I mean the Tarren player is being quite greedy in how fast he can get his tech, so wouldn't gas stealing or perhaps forcing a couple of bunkers make the difference of time needed to hold off the 1/1/1. if we go 4 gate.. terran will always bunker up.. puma bunkered first game i think... that's without 4 gate toss... then 1 cloaked banschee rapes everything in our base because no robo or really late robo. GG Terran can make marines for so cheap that are good against everything. that's the problem. once you get 10 + marines, they're almost too OP that early in the game. | ||
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rareh
Portugal298 Posts
Special tactics ftw White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set where the better player, yet least popular won? | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:39 rareh wrote: Just for the record white-ra beat puma's 1/1/1 with a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand, in that showmatch they had at gamescom, was before the MC final. Special tactics ftw White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set ? Do you not watch GSL? | ||
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rareh
Portugal298 Posts
I do. Genius beat thorzain's 1/1/1. | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
Why are you even bothering responding to some totally biased persons ? | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:39 rareh wrote: Just for the record white-ra beat puma's 1/1/1 with a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand, in that showmatch they had at gamescom, was before the MC final. Special tactics ftw White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set where the better player, yet least popular won? We are not complaning about terran being OP. We are complaning about the 1/1/1 all-in being TOO STRONG ! And btw, stop bringing back the MaNa vs PuMa argument. PuMa didn't use the 1/1/1 all-in versus MaNa. | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
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rareh
Portugal298 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:43 BlitzerSC wrote: We are not complaning about terran being OP. We are complaning about the 1/1/1 all-in being TOO STRONG ! And btw, stop bringing back the MaNa vs PuMa argument. PuMa didn't use the 1/1/1 all-in versus MaNa. I like how u ignored the part where i said whitera beat puma's 1/1/1 | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:44 rareh wrote: I like how u ignored the part where i said whitera beat puma's 1/1/1 I ignored that part because i didn't see that game. | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:38 Arcanne wrote: yeah because cannons are great against seige tanks Lift up the tanks with phoenix and carry them into cannon range | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
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Xahhk
Canada540 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:39 rareh wrote: Just for the record white-ra beat puma's 1/1/1 with a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand, in that showmatch they had at gamescom, was before the MC final. Special tactics ftw White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set where the better player, yet least popular won? Toss already knows they can win if they pull out some cheese rush.. the point is that the attack is difficult to fight even when scouted and the guy is preparing it for it 5 minutes in advance. Also gets 2 tries at where other races can only realistically perform one strong all-in. So I think I've got a grasp of the top posts in this thread: Carrier posts templar posts 1 base cheese 1 base collossus base race with warp prism Cannons and stargate first nydus Could everyone from now on refrain from suggesting the above strategies, as they've already been suggested and internalized by every protoss player in here. | ||
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bovineblitz
United States314 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:47 Xahhk wrote: Toss already knows they can win if they pull out some cheese rush.. the point is that the attack is difficult to fight even when scouted and the guy is preparing it for it 5 minutes in advance. Also gets 2 tries at where other races can only realistically perform one strong all-in. So I think I've got a grasp of the top posts in this thread: Carrier posts templar posts 1 base cheese 1 base collossus base race with warp prism Could everyone from now on refrain from suggesting the above strategies, as they've already been suggested and internalized by every protoss player in here. You forgot the suggestions to make cannons and stargates. | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:46 Yaotzin wrote: Woohoo? Yes, 1/1/1 doesn't win every single game its ever used in. That doesn't somehow mean it isn't broken. DTs against it? No idea how white-ra won with that because a 1-1-1 is like the best possible counter to DTs. cant have 1 raven in 2 places now can u? especially with warp prisim, im glad whitera loves warp prisms, hes the only toss that uses it to great success. | ||
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beeehappy
153 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:17 Chronald wrote: Doesn't this just end the thread? None of the people posting here have NEARLY the level of understanding and skill that MC does. I agree with MC I think protoss just need a cheap aoe unit. Terran has hellions, zerg has banlings. Both of those are big counters to marines, protoss's hard counter to marines seems to be collusus which is one of protoss's best overall units and takes a long time to get. Seems sort of unfair for protoss. | ||
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H0i
Netherlands484 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:53 jinixxx123 wrote: cant have 1 raven in 2 places now can u? especially with warp prisim, im glad whitera loves warp prisms, hes the only toss that uses it to great success. I can't believe I'm still responding to you. Are you really serious here? If you rush to DT and make 2 dts and then somehow get a dt in the terran main, while his push is happening, you won't have enough units to even make the push take some more time. He will steamroll over your base. That 1 DT in his base is going to do what? Destroy every building before it is killed or before the terran destroyed all the protosses buidlings? Really? And you're totally "forgetting" that scan and 2 marines will kill that dt anyway. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:47 Xahhk wrote: Toss already knows they can win if they pull out some cheese rush.. the point is that the attack is difficult to fight even when scouted and the guy is preparing it for it 5 minutes in advance. Also gets 2 tries at where other races can only realistically perform one strong all-in. So I think I've got a grasp of the top posts in this thread: Carrier posts templar posts 1 base cheese 1 base collossus base race with warp prism Cannons and stargate first Could everyone from now on refrain from suggesting the above strategies, as they've already been suggested and internalized by every protoss player in here. Don't forget "once Protoss players stop being so greedy 1-1-1 will die lol L2P," | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On August 23 2011 01:54 beeehappy wrote: I agree with MC I think protoss just need a cheap aoe unit. Terran has hellions, zerg has banlings. Both of those are big counters to marines, protoss's hard counter to marines seems to be collusus which is one of protoss's best overall units and takes a long time to get. Seems sort of unfair for protoss. Quite true but something for HotS to deal with. Obviously it can't happen in WoL, so for now a bandaid is required. | ||
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