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Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
August 22 2011 16:38 GMT
#1161
Cannons are such a brilliant idea against a siege tank push, it's difficult to express my admiration in you for figuring out such an amazing counter.
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
August 22 2011 16:38 GMT
#1162
On August 23 2011 01:36 Kiarip wrote:
cannons + phoenix hold this with big advantage. so just gotta find a solid way to play a stargate-nexus-forge build


yeah because cannons are great against seige tanks
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tranmillitary
Profile Joined August 2011
210 Posts
August 22 2011 16:39 GMT
#1163
On August 23 2011 01:30 T.BonePickens wrote:
I'm just curious how well the 1/1/1 does against holding off a 4gate? I understand that the 4gate timing should hit before heavy tech units are produced. I feel if 4gate becomes used in the match up, Tarrens will be more reluctant to tech so hard, since they are only producing marines from one barracks.

I mean the Tarren player is being quite greedy in how fast he can get his tech, so wouldn't gas stealing or perhaps forcing a couple of bunkers make the difference of time needed to hold off the 1/1/1.



if we go 4 gate.. terran will always bunker up.. puma bunkered first game i think... that's without 4 gate toss... then 1 cloaked banschee rapes everything in our base because no robo or really late robo. GG

Terran can make marines for so cheap that are good against everything. that's the problem. once you get 10 + marines, they're almost too OP that early in the game.
rareh
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 16:40:09
August 22 2011 16:39 GMT
#1164
Just for the record white-ra beat puma's 1/1/1 with a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand, in that showmatch they had at gamescom, was before the MC final.

Special tactics ftw

White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set where the better player, yet least popular won?
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
August 22 2011 16:40 GMT
#1165
On August 23 2011 01:39 rareh wrote:
Just for the record white-ra beat puma's 1/1/1 with a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand, in that showmatch they had at gamescom, was before the MC final.

Special tactics ftw

White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set ?

Do you not watch GSL?
rareh
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal298 Posts
August 22 2011 16:42 GMT
#1166
On August 23 2011 01:40 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 01:39 rareh wrote:
Just for the record white-ra beat puma's 1/1/1 with a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand, in that showmatch they had at gamescom, was before the MC final.

Special tactics ftw

White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set ?

Do you not watch GSL?


I do.

Genius beat thorzain's 1/1/1.
DertoQq
Profile Joined October 2010
France906 Posts
August 22 2011 16:42 GMT
#1167
On August 23 2011 01:40 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 01:39 rareh wrote:
Just for the record white-ra beat puma's 1/1/1 with a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand, in that showmatch they had at gamescom, was before the MC final.

Special tactics ftw

White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set ?

Do you not watch GSL?


Why are you even bothering responding to some totally biased persons ?
"i've made some empty promises in my life, but hands down that was the most generous" - Michael Scott
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
August 22 2011 16:43 GMT
#1168
On August 23 2011 01:39 rareh wrote:
Just for the record white-ra beat puma's 1/1/1 with a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand, in that showmatch they had at gamescom, was before the MC final.

Special tactics ftw

White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set where the better player, yet least popular won?


We are not complaning about terran being OP. We are complaning about the 1/1/1 all-in being TOO STRONG !

And btw, stop bringing back the MaNa vs PuMa argument. PuMa didn't use the 1/1/1 all-in versus MaNa.
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
August 22 2011 16:43 GMT
#1169
Thorzain's 1/1/1 was comically inept. He built the raven after the banshees so he couldn't PDD. He didn't siege his tanks. He didn't do anything but screw up and it was still close.
rareh
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal298 Posts
August 22 2011 16:44 GMT
#1170
On August 23 2011 01:43 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 01:39 rareh wrote:
Just for the record white-ra beat puma's 1/1/1 with a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand, in that showmatch they had at gamescom, was before the MC final.

Special tactics ftw

White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set where the better player, yet least popular won?


We are not complaning about terran being OP. We are complaning about the 1/1/1 all-in being TOO STRONG !

And btw, stop bringing back the MaNa vs PuMa argument. PuMa didn't use the 1/1/1 all-in versus MaNa.


I like how u ignored the part where i said whitera beat puma's 1/1/1
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
August 22 2011 16:46 GMT
#1171
On August 23 2011 01:44 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 01:43 BlitzerSC wrote:
On August 23 2011 01:39 rareh wrote:
Just for the record white-ra beat puma's 1/1/1 with a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand, in that showmatch they had at gamescom, was before the MC final.

Special tactics ftw

White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set where the better player, yet least popular won?


We are not complaning about terran being OP. We are complaning about the 1/1/1 all-in being TOO STRONG !

And btw, stop bringing back the MaNa vs PuMa argument. PuMa didn't use the 1/1/1 all-in versus MaNa.


I like how u ignored the part where i said whitera beat puma's 1/1/1


I ignored that part because i didn't see that game.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
August 22 2011 16:46 GMT
#1172
On August 23 2011 01:38 Arcanne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 01:36 Kiarip wrote:
cannons + phoenix hold this with big advantage. so just gotta find a solid way to play a stargate-nexus-forge build


yeah because cannons are great against seige tanks

Lift up the tanks with phoenix and carry them into cannon range
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
August 22 2011 16:46 GMT
#1173
Woohoo? Yes, 1/1/1 doesn't win every single game its ever used in. That doesn't somehow mean it isn't broken. DTs against it? No idea how white-ra won with that because a 1-1-1 is like the best possible counter to DTs.
Xahhk
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada540 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 17:04:01
August 22 2011 16:47 GMT
#1174
On August 23 2011 01:39 rareh wrote:
Just for the record white-ra beat puma's 1/1/1 with a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand, in that showmatch they had at gamescom, was before the MC final.

Special tactics ftw

White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set where the better player, yet least popular won?


Toss already knows they can win if they pull out some cheese rush.. the point is that the attack is difficult to fight even when scouted and the guy is preparing it for it 5 minutes in advance. Also gets 2 tries at where other races can only realistically perform one strong all-in.

So I think I've got a grasp of the top posts in this thread:

Carrier posts
templar posts
1 base cheese
1 base collossus
base race with warp prism
Cannons and stargate first
nydus

Could everyone from now on refrain from suggesting the above strategies, as they've already been suggested and internalized by every protoss player in here.
bovineblitz
Profile Joined September 2010
United States314 Posts
August 22 2011 16:51 GMT
#1175
On August 23 2011 01:47 Xahhk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 01:39 rareh wrote:
Just for the record white-ra beat puma's 1/1/1 with a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand, in that showmatch they had at gamescom, was before the MC final.

Special tactics ftw

White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set where the better player, yet least popular won?


Toss already knows they can win if they pull out some cheese rush.. the point is that the attack is difficult to fight even when scouted and the guy is preparing it for it 5 minutes in advance. Also gets 2 tries at where other races can only realistically perform one strong all-in.

So I think I've got a grasp of the top posts in this thread:

Carrier posts
templar posts
1 base cheese
1 base collossus
base race with warp prism

Could everyone from now on refrain from suggesting the above strategies, as they've already been suggested and internalized by every protoss player in here.


You forgot the suggestions to make cannons and stargates.
jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 16:53:20
August 22 2011 16:53 GMT
#1176
On August 23 2011 01:46 Yaotzin wrote:
Woohoo? Yes, 1/1/1 doesn't win every single game its ever used in. That doesn't somehow mean it isn't broken. DTs against it? No idea how white-ra won with that because a 1-1-1 is like the best possible counter to DTs.



cant have 1 raven in 2 places now can u? especially with warp prisim, im glad whitera loves warp prisms, hes the only toss that uses it to great success.
beeehappy
Profile Joined October 2010
153 Posts
August 22 2011 16:54 GMT
#1177
On August 23 2011 01:17 Chronald wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 01:03 Hikari wrote:
Not sure if anyone posted this yet but here we go:
From http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/OrangeMilkis/~9WOfx
From MC:
"I felt that I don't have a perfect command of the game right now. I will admit that my decision making and my hands are slow, and I'll try even harder to become perfect. Also, as a digression, the reason why 111 is so strong against Protoss is that Protoss only has a Splash Damage unit at the third tier. If we had banelings, then what would marines be?"


Doesn't this just end the thread?

None of the people posting here have NEARLY the level of understanding and skill that MC does.



I agree with MC I think protoss just need a cheap aoe unit. Terran has hellions, zerg has banlings. Both of those are big counters to marines, protoss's hard counter to marines seems to be collusus which is one of protoss's best overall units and takes a long time to get. Seems sort of unfair for protoss.
H0i
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands484 Posts
August 22 2011 16:57 GMT
#1178
On August 23 2011 01:53 jinixxx123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 01:46 Yaotzin wrote:
Woohoo? Yes, 1/1/1 doesn't win every single game its ever used in. That doesn't somehow mean it isn't broken. DTs against it? No idea how white-ra won with that because a 1-1-1 is like the best possible counter to DTs.



cant have 1 raven in 2 places now can u? especially with warp prisim, im glad whitera loves warp prisms, hes the only toss that uses it to great success.

I can't believe I'm still responding to you. Are you really serious here? If you rush to DT and make 2 dts and then somehow get a dt in the terran main, while his push is happening, you won't have enough units to even make the push take some more time. He will steamroll over your base. That 1 DT in his base is going to do what? Destroy every building before it is killed or before the terran destroyed all the protosses buidlings? Really? And you're totally "forgetting" that scan and 2 marines will kill that dt anyway.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
August 22 2011 16:57 GMT
#1179
On August 23 2011 01:47 Xahhk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 01:39 rareh wrote:
Just for the record white-ra beat puma's 1/1/1 with a 4gate warp prism drop and then a warp prism DT drop expand, in that showmatch they had at gamescom, was before the MC final.

Special tactics ftw

White-ra ended winning 2-0, just like mana, but i guess terran is OP, just cause of 1 set where the better player, yet least popular won?


Toss already knows they can win if they pull out some cheese rush.. the point is that the attack is difficult to fight even when scouted and the guy is preparing it for it 5 minutes in advance. Also gets 2 tries at where other races can only realistically perform one strong all-in.

So I think I've got a grasp of the top posts in this thread:

Carrier posts
templar posts
1 base cheese
1 base collossus
base race with warp prism
Cannons and stargate first

Could everyone from now on refrain from suggesting the above strategies, as they've already been suggested and internalized by every protoss player in here.

Don't forget "once Protoss players stop being so greedy 1-1-1 will die lol L2P,"
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
August 22 2011 16:58 GMT
#1180
On August 23 2011 01:54 beeehappy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2011 01:17 Chronald wrote:
On August 23 2011 01:03 Hikari wrote:
Not sure if anyone posted this yet but here we go:
From http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/OrangeMilkis/~9WOfx
From MC:
"I felt that I don't have a perfect command of the game right now. I will admit that my decision making and my hands are slow, and I'll try even harder to become perfect. Also, as a digression, the reason why 111 is so strong against Protoss is that Protoss only has a Splash Damage unit at the third tier. If we had banelings, then what would marines be?"


Doesn't this just end the thread?

None of the people posting here have NEARLY the level of understanding and skill that MC does.



I agree with MC I think protoss just need a cheap aoe unit. Terran has hellions, zerg has banlings. Both of those are big counters to marines, protoss's hard counter to marines seems to be collusus which is one of protoss's best overall units and takes a long time to get. Seems sort of unfair for protoss.

Quite true but something for HotS to deal with. Obviously it can't happen in WoL, so for now a bandaid is required.
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