EPTWhy 1/1/1 is considered to be imbalanced in Korea - Page 56
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Can we stop talking about nerfing things please? - 9:10 KST | ||
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Glon
United States569 Posts
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
I feel like an imba complaint from KR carries more weight than one from NA. Hopefully it will go away! | ||
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CP-Jun
Australia278 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/F1Tht.jpg) Because some people claim ridiculous stuff about what Protoss can have at 9:00 or 9:30 mark. I have included a backward work using Excel. Couple of assumptions are made and those assumptions favour those ridiculous claim still yet to proven wrong. Correct me if I am wrong - I am very tired from uni work and made a quick draft. | ||
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AXygnus
Portugal1008 Posts
I think you can also add a robo + observer in between there, but this is all based off the possibility he doesn't scout the 1Gate FFE. | ||
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Huntz
164 Posts
After some "testing", Templar work very well against this. If you do a 1Gate expand, then tech straight to Storm, you can outright demolish the push. Feedback works on the Ravens, Banshees and, surprisingly, on PDDs as well. Storm, well, it's storm, get the marines, and since there are no medivacs out, it's game. The tanks are easily cleaned up as well. I think you can also add a robo + observer in between there, but this is all based off the possibility he doesn't scout the 1Gate FFE. If you tech straight up to storm pretty much any other build just kills you (2 rax, 3 rax, other all-ins). Not to mention that I'm fairly sure the terran can just move out earlier (as soon as harass banshee reaches your base and sees templar; and get you before storm completes. | ||
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Jinivus
747 Posts
On August 22 2011 23:57 AXygnus wrote: After some "testing", Templar work very well against this. If you do a 1Gate expand, then tech straight to Storm, you can outright demolish the push. Feedback works on the Ravens, Banshees and, surprisingly, on PDDs as well. Storm, well, it's storm, get the marines, and since there are no medivacs out, it's game. The tanks are easily cleaned up as well. I think you can also add a robo + observer in between there, but this is all based off the possibility he doesn't scout the 1Gate FFE. The terran can easily scout this an do an earlier push. This will lose to ANY early aggresion. This is the most insanely risky and implausible build possible. Seriously. robo, templar archives storm, after a 1 gate FE? you won't even have enough shit to hold the push anyway. This is a horrible solution. | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:01 Jinivus wrote: The terran can easily scout this an do an earlier push. This will lose to ANY early aggresion. This is the most insanely risky and implausible build possible. Seriously. robo, templar archives storm, after a 1 gate FE? you won't even have enough shit to hold the push anyway. This is a horrible solution. how can terran easily scout this? say hes upgrading blink instead, hows the terran suppose to know, hide your templars when you warp them in maybe? i dunno, just be open minded, its up to blizzard to decide if this is imba. I'd still say wait atleast 1 month, if no response then do something. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
From AXygnus: After some "testing", Templar work very well against this. If you do a 1Gate expand, then tech straight to Storm, you can outright demolish the push. Sorry, your practice partners aren't KR GM and neither are you. | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:11 jinixxx123 wrote: how can terran easily scout this? say hes upgrading blink instead, hows the terran suppose to know, hide your templars maybe? i dunno, just be open minded, its up to blizzard to decide if this is imba. I'd still say wait atleast 1 month, if no response then do something. The Terran scouts this by winning when his 2 rax accidentally destroys every protoss structure. | ||
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Huntz
164 Posts
how can terran easily scout this? say hes upgrading blink instead, hows the terran suppose to know, hide your templars when you warp them in maybe? i dunno, just be open minded, its up to blizzard to decide if this is imba. I'd still say wait atleast 1 month, if no response then do something. Well you got the scv scout. You have the option to hellion scout. You have the option to scan. You scout with your first banshee as well as harass. Personally if I saw a protoss getting HT I'd just go fucking kill him. | ||
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Jinivus
747 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:11 jinixxx123 wrote: how can terran easily scout this? say hes upgrading blink instead, hows the terran suppose to know, hide your templars when you warp them in maybe? i dunno, just be open minded, its up to blizzard to decide if this is imba. I'd still say wait atleast 1 month, if no response then do something. "I realize my suggestion was absolutely ridiculous, so now I'm just gonna tell you to be open minded and wait," This push has been around forever and due to protoss nerf and recent refinements it's become even more powerful, it's been being used more and more frequently for a couple months. A month ago people said wait a month and see if there is no response. In a month people will say wait month. | ||
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DertoQq
France906 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:11 jinixxx123 wrote: how can terran easily scout this? say hes upgrading blink instead, hows the terran suppose to know, hide your templars when you warp them in maybe? i dunno, just be open minded, its up to blizzard to decide if this is imba. I'd still say wait atleast 1 month, if no response then do something. You know there is a building for templar right ? Since he has benshees, finding a building isn't THAT hard. + They can check your army and see that you don't have a lot of thing | ||
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:11 jinixxx123 wrote: how can terran easily scout this? say hes upgrading blink instead, hows the terran suppose to know, hide your templars when you warp them in maybe? i dunno, just be open minded, its up to blizzard to decide if this is imba. I'd still say wait atleast 1 month, if no response then do something. Well you'll have no units requiring gas since you're plunging it all into templar, so yeah, he'll kite a strangely large number of zealots then accidently kill you. | ||
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Rkie
United States1278 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:11 jinixxx123 wrote: how can terran easily scout this? say hes upgrading blink instead, hows the terran suppose to know, hide your templars when you warp them in maybe? i dunno, just be open minded, its up to blizzard to decide if this is imba. I'd still say wait atleast 1 month, if no response then do something. Scan can see the templar archives, or the twilight council flashing for the upgrade, just as any scout can. Should the banshees come in and see blink, protoss is definitely screwed since marines are so effective vs stalkers. The best bet would be to separate tech to avoid a scan seeing everything, but there is only so much you can hide and also upgrade or research against this push. | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On August 22 2011 23:57 AXygnus wrote: After some "testing", Templar work very well against this. If you do a 1Gate expand, then tech straight to Storm, you can outright demolish the push. Feedback works on the Ravens, Banshees and, surprisingly, on PDDs as well. Storm, well, it's storm, get the marines, and since there are no medivacs out, it's game. The tanks are easily cleaned up as well. I think you can also add a robo + observer in between there, but this is all based off the possibility he doesn't scout the 1Gate FFE. Fast HT struggles against the Thor/Banshee/Raven version of the push though. | ||
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AXygnus
Portugal1008 Posts
On August 23 2011 00:11 jinixxx123 wrote: how can terran easily scout this? say hes upgrading blink instead, hows the terran suppose to know, hide your templars when you warp them in maybe? i dunno, just be open minded, its up to blizzard to decide if this is imba. I'd still say wait atleast 1 month, if no response then do something. That kinda defeats the idea of Storm tech, since you're not gonna have all that much, and I doubt you can get Blink and Storm before the push arrives. The Terran will never scout this without using scans. If you chrono out a Stalker right after your core finishes, no single SCV or Marine can get in your base. Only an handful of Marines (or more) will be able to beat your small number of Stalkers. I can get a replay to show you what I do, but, like someone pointed out, I'm not a KR Masters or GM player. It's just an idea. Link This was done against a friend, he's top Diamond. EDIT: And yes, I know he made some mistakes, just proving that it's possible to squeeze in Templar tech and an observer before the 9 min mark. | ||
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maryelizbethwinstead
Mexico223 Posts
 Anyways, I sincerely believe we will find a way to counter this. It may take a full month, maybe more, but natural balance often works that way. It only takes one stroke of genius. In any case, I'm a happy fan of the way blizzard balances; holding off the nerf bat until no option left present itself. Let's hope the whole four-gate fiasco doesn't repeat itself; forcefields are now being dealt with on a regular basis. Players will find a way. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
Protoss can't even *theorycraft* something that kills the 1-1-1, let alone come up with any way of getting there. This is rather strongly indicative that there actually isn't one and the balance team needs to do their jobs. | ||
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Wawarox
161 Posts
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