Why 1/1/1 is considered to be imbalanced in Korea - Page 53

If both players execute perfectly Protoss will have to cancel the nexus. You simply don't have enough units.

It is map dependent of course. On something like Shakuras, sure, you can hold it easily with FF. Xel'naga? No, you're cancelling it.

On August 22 2011 21:12 DertoQq wrote:


1 - Hallucination cost more than an overlord
2 - Hallucination come AFTER your 4-gate, so there is no point scouting if you already choose to 4gate.
3 - 4-gate won't work vs 1-1-1 (or any kind of all-in for that matter)

On August 22 2011 22:03 aksfjh wrote:


lol "easy"

4 gate is still a strong build and takes a lot of time to learn how to hold a proper one off. The problem with this thread is all the damn terran haters out there who sit around all day looking for theorycraft to explain why THEY suck balls. 99% of the people in this topic would just as likely lose to 1-1-1 as a 2 rax marine all-in.

On August 22 2011 22:06 ArhK wrote:


Ok, thanks for Hallucination's details. Regarding the 4 gate, I am curious why it doesn't work. Until Mid Master it works very well, once you scouted the racks with reactor you are able to go for it and be in the timings.

On August 22 2011 06:17 samd wrote:
Excuse my ignorance, but how is this any difference from the Terran version of a 4gate? You protoss used to pull a strong timing build all the time, now you're getting the taste of one and the tears start flowing?

On August 22 2011 22:03 aksfjh wrote:
lol "easy"

4 gate is still a strong build and takes a lot of time to learn how to hold a proper one off. The problem with this thread is all the damn terran haters out there who sit around all day looking for theorycraft to explain why THEY suck balls. 99% of the people in this topic would just as likely lose to 1-1-1 as a 2 rax marine all-in.

This is a relatively new build and hasn't completely taken over the metagame yet. When you start to see this, or a variation of it, in nearly every PvT, then you can start talking about how it's "ridiculously OP."

On August 22 2011 22:03 aksfjh wrote:


lol "easy"

4 gate is still a strong build and takes a lot of time to learn how to hold a proper one off. The problem with this thread is all the damn terran haters out there who sit around all day looking for theorycraft to explain why THEY suck balls. 99% of the people in this topic would just as likely lose to 1-1-1 as a 2 rax marine all-in.

This is a relatively new build and hasn't completely taken over the metagame yet. When you start to see this, or a variation of it, in nearly every PvT, then you can start talking about how it's "ridiculously OP."

On August 22 2011 22:09 Yaotzin wrote:

Zealot/stalker 4gate just dies to repair basically. Marines have such great DPS and stalkers, um, don't, so even with fairly low numbers as long as they pull their SCVs they'll be fine.

Sentry based 4gate is better but it's later so they'll have lots of marines. Terran should be able to survive until their tank comes out and then you can't do anything cause even an unsieged tank brutalises stalkers.

On August 22 2011 22:12 Mozicelj wrote:
As a protoss I do not find 1/1/1 op.
If terran goes 1 base all in, I go 1 base with a stargate and it works fine.

p.s.: If terran gets a cloaked banshee, I suggest a mothership for the cloaking field to protect the probes!!!

On August 22 2011 22:07 Grumbels wrote:
I think more dangerous than the current supposed imbalance of 1-1-1 is the ongoing perception Terran is the strongest race. The domination of Code S by Terrans is for a big part because all aspiring pro players know to pick Terran, resulting in more really good Terran pros. Why would any really good brood war pro switch and pick protoss?

On August 22 2011 22:09 zatic wrote:
I wish people would at least call it 3/1/1. 1/1/1 is the stupidest name for a Starcraft build yet.

On August 22 2011 22:09 zatic wrote:
I wish people would at least call it 3/1/1. 1/1/1 is the stupidest name for a Starcraft build yet.

On August 22 2011 22:09 zatic wrote:
I wish people would at least call it 3/1/1. 1/1/1 is the stupidest name for a Starcraft build yet.

On August 22 2011 22:14 Binabik wrote:

The problem with stargate is that it's a blind build. If your opponent opens 1Racks FE or 2 Racks you are behind on tech and on economy. From that point you have to go for an all-in

On August 22 2011 22:27 Tyrant0 wrote:


You'd think people who knew what they were talking about before they posted o.O 1 gate stargate FE definitely doesn't constitute a follow-up all-in, and it definitely doesn't put him so far ahead economically you can't chip away at the difference with phoenixes.