MVP's Coach on NASL Korean exit - Page 4

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Nerski

United States1095 Posts

August 17 2011 04:17 GMT

#61

On August 17 2011 13:15 Robonord wrote:

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No, they only provide them with food, shelter, computers and slots in Code A. >_>

They provide them with shelter that's it, player still has to feed themselves etc.

sleigh bells

United States358 Posts

August 17 2011 04:17 GMT

#62

On August 17 2011 13:10 missingheaven wrote:
"Finally, because I’m answering what NASL should change in order for MVP team to participate, NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast. If NASL want the tournament to grow, the players’ convenience should be the first priority in order to create great matches so that the fans will become enthusiastic."

This is fucking sad.

You are players, exactly just everyone else. Have koreans EVER PICKED UP A FOREIGN PLAYER FOR GSL?

Fucking kids, stop threating yourself as rockstars which you aren't are.

Not sure but they get free housing and spots into Code A...

missingheaven

35 Posts

August 17 2011 04:17 GMT

#63

On August 17 2011 13:15 Robonord wrote:

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No, they only provide them with food, shelter, computers and slots in Code A. >_>

I'm pretty sure the players themselves (i.e their teams) pays for this.

ELA

Denmark4608 Posts

August 17 2011 04:17 GMT

#64

MVP Choi needs to fucking decide what hat he's wearing - He's head of SC2CON and this descision for korean teams were made collectively between the teams in SC2CON + SlayerS - And then go out and call out NASL for abusing SC2CON's reputation by saying he wasn't wearing the SC2CON-hat at the time he talked to NASL.. I just don't get it..

nufcrulz

Singapore934 Posts

August 17 2011 04:18 GMT

#65

sigh, i'm pretty sure the koreans are equally, if not even more at fault for the current debacle.

seems to me from this interview that koreans wanna get special treatment for every foreign tournament they attend. Shouldn't they feel thankful enough that they have a chance to compete for the 50,000 first prize.

Beardedclam

United States839 Posts

August 17 2011 04:18 GMT

#66

On August 17 2011 13:02 Nerski wrote:

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On August 17 2011 12:43 oPlaiD wrote:
ESFI had the chance to talk with Youn-Sang Choi, the head coach and manager of MVP, and he wanted to weigh in on the current controversy surrounding the withdrawal of Korean teams from NASL.

As MVP did not participate in NASL and Coach Choi was not privy to the negotiations between the Korean teams and NASL, but he wanted to give his own opinion on how the Korean players became disillusioned with the league.

He also talks about what he would need to see from NASL before he would consider letting MVP compete in the league.

You can read the full article at ESFI, but below is an excerpt.

MVP has not competed in NASL and has no plans to currently, but Coach Choi might reconsider if NASL fixes a few issues with their league, including clearing up the problem of the deposit.

He listed the things he would personally like to see from NASL before he would let his team participate.

"[NASL] should first release an apology about what happened," he said, "The Korean Teams feel that NASL is only trying to cover up their mistakes and blame the Korean teams. NASL posted their opinion on Team Liquid and not through official channels, causing not only the five Korean teams in question but also the rest of the Korean teams to feel that they lost their reputation. This is seen as extremely amateurish in Korea."

"Second, they should fix the poor operation of NASL, in both the online league and finals," said the coach, "Making the players wait for such a long period of time like that greatly affects their conditions and their performance.

"Finally, because I’m answering what NASL should change in order for MVP team to participate, NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast. If NASL want the tournament to grow, the players’ convenience should be the first priority in order to create great matches so that the fans will become enthusiastic."

Coach Choi hopes that his comments will not cause controversy, as he wants both sides to reach an amicable conclusion to the disagreement.

"I am not saying these things because of ill will towards NASL," added Choi, "I have no reason to hate NASL. I simply wish, as a fan of major tournaments, that NASL will be able to fix their mistakes in order to improve as an event."

Check out the full article at ESFI.

Does GSL MLG or anyone do all of these demands....nope didn't think so...what they want is down right outlandish.

NASL has one big event per season. You expect GSL to pick of foreigners at the airport before each match? There are also a select few to go to the NASL finals not a shitlaod of people like at GSL. Plus GSL is giving free housing to foreigners at the GOM house.

whateverpeeps

United States214 Posts

August 17 2011 04:18 GMT

#67

On August 17 2011 12:51 Pieismyign wrote:
why cant nasl rent a car and pick them up from an airport....

They did. There were even pictures of it.

They sure as hell didn't walk from the airport to the event location...

VillageBC

322 Posts

August 17 2011 04:18 GMT

#68

On August 17 2011 13:15 Sandro wrote:

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Don't worry IPL and MLG will restore our reputation amongst the Koreans.

Koreans need to restore there reputations. Honour and ethics my ass.

OreoBoi

Canada1639 Posts

August 17 2011 04:18 GMT

#69

Oh I'm sorry Korea, what happened to "You guys are just scared of us, if there was a good esports scene in USA we would travel there"
So what they really meant was "If there was a good esports scene in USA, and you fly us over there, we would go"

HolyArrow

United States7116 Posts

August 17 2011 04:18 GMT

#70

This is kind of dumb because no matter what Koreans say, we have Xeris and perhaps other NASL representatives in this very topic, which just doesn't make for a balanced debate - neither does SotG. I'm not saying that Xeris or anyone else is blatantly lying or something like that, but it's just that when you have 2 sides of an argument, and the best 1 side can do to communicate is post articles while the other side can directly interact with the rest of the community, it doesn't make for a balanced discussion. I'd rather have a direct interaction between a representative of the NASL and representatives of Korean teams in a discussion, because this constantly indirect releasing of opinions and arguments from either side just... doesn't seem to work.

rdj107

United States336 Posts

August 17 2011 04:18 GMT

#71

Just a quick question to xeris if you're still skimming through:

In the nasl statement it was said that you tried to contact them through email. Did they just never receive it? Was the email sent to...whoever this guy is or was it sent to chae or whoever and you relied on them to forward the message to the teams?

EnSky

Philippines1003 Posts

August 17 2011 04:19 GMT

#72

So if all these demands are met, what's going to stop a player (or team) from not playing on schedule (online)?

ELA

Denmark4608 Posts

August 17 2011 04:19 GMT

#73

On August 17 2011 13:17 sleigh bells wrote:

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Not sure but they get free housing and spots into Code A...

And so what? The koreans who entered NASL _qualified_ for it, they weren't invited.. They chose to participate in the tournament, like was said on SotG

L3gendary

Canada1470 Posts

August 17 2011 04:19 GMT

#74

Koreans' sense of entitlement is disgusting. They can barely get sponsors so they want nasl to foot the bill for all their expenses, and give their players manicures and spa treatment while they're at it.

almond

115 Posts

August 17 2011 04:19 GMT

#75

Considering the prize pool, I would just suck it up and not do something so childish. It's just hurting the scene.

HuKPOWA

United States1604 Posts

August 17 2011 04:19 GMT

#76

Let's lay out red carpets and hot white chicks for them all!!!

Really??? all of these demands to go to a tournament with a big prize pool? kinda selfish...

Slider954

United States342 Posts

August 17 2011 04:20 GMT

#77

If you read the actual interview, the question is the the contracts being signed is brought up with him saying that he can't comment cause he wasn't privy to that. BUT he can comment on everything else even though he wasn't privy that that either??? Like Xeris has brought up:

We provided shuttle pickup and drop off services to all players at the finals. I'm not sure why he is commenting about something he wasn't there to witness T_T

So basically he can comment on stuff as long as it helps his viewpoint regardless of whether he was privy to it or not, but if it can't help his argument or worse, weakens it, all of sudden it's, "Nope can't say anything cause I wasn't there."

Seditary

Australia7033 Posts

August 17 2011 04:20 GMT

#78

On August 17 2011 13:14 Xeris wrote:
The shuttle service was taken from the travel stipends -- but they had no out of pocket cost. When they arrived, a shuttle was waiting for them at LAX. I was at the airport for 6 hours that day to meet and greet every Korean who arrived. On Monday, we had 2 shuttles to send the Koreans back to LAX. All of these were paid for by us, receipts can be provided to prove this as well.

There are many issues that the MVP Coach raises that I believe are very legitimate however! I really do appreciate his comments

I think he's just listing out everything and not tailoring it specifically to what happened since as you noted, he was not actually there.

TDN3

United States81 Posts

August 17 2011 04:21 GMT

#79

Well, I went to both MLG Anaheim and NASL finals and I can tell you that it was like the difference between a company run tournament and tournament ran by a couple of starcraft buddies. No wonder everyone wants to come back to MLG even though it has shitty prize pool. Obviously, they had much better experience there at MLG.

pulsade13

Australia50 Posts

August 17 2011 04:21 GMT

#80

This seems crazy, I don't see how they don't want to compete for the 50k prize. I bet they will come back next season once they see Naniwa, Idra, Puma and the like coasting through the finals and getting paid.

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