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oplaid you playing starcraft now? What happened to tf2?
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On August 17 2011 12:59 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 12:55 Azzur wrote:
Fair enough. But its missing the whole point - signed contracts were violated. If you think a tournament is not up to standard, don't compete. Don't sign up for qualifiers and then pull out In addition to this, there is a point where it is a mutual relationship: the Koreans seem to make it out to be they are doing a favor to NASL, and not getting much in return. Lest we forget, 40$k is up for grabs, in addition to the whole 100$k prizepool. NASL shouldnt hae to wait hand and foot in return for something the Koreans are benefiting from.
This just shows how BADLY NASL treated them, for them to give up a chance to win $40k. That means NASL really messed up. Koreans have no problem going to MLG and other tournaments with smaller prize pool. It's not the $$, it's being mistreated.
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I foresee a contradiction. NASL had a problem with walkovers and people not showing up for matches on time in the league so they raised the deposits so its more of a penalty for flaking out. Koreans want them to eliminate deposit and make sure people show up on time for matches.... suggestions?
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On August 17 2011 12:49 GGzerG wrote:
very nice , I'm glad to read what the koreans say about NASL, and I kinda agree, it is amateurish to post on TL before talking to all of them / working something out with them, I totally feel how the korean teams are feeling at this point in time.
Well, you have to race to the forum first, you know. The side that gets to the forum first gets more fans and become the good guy.
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On August 17 2011 12:59 CeriseCherries wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 12:55 Azzur wrote:
Fair enough. But its missing the whole point - signed contracts were violated. If you think a tournament is not up to standard, don't compete. Don't sign up for qualifiers and then pull out In addition to this, there is a point where it is a mutual relationship: the Koreans seem to make it out to be they are doing a favor to NASL, and not getting much in return. Lest we forget, 40$k is up for grabs, in addition to the whole 100$k prizepool. NASL shouldnt hae to wait hand and foot in return for something the Koreans are benefiting from.
You can't blame them for the qualifiers. I'm not clear on the timing of them, but it was said in the article that the qualifiers were before the finals. So, they only learned of the numerous problems after the qualifiers.
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On August 17 2011 12:43 oPlaiD wrote:ESFI had the chance to talk with Youn-Sang Choi, the head coach and manager of MVP, and he wanted to weigh in on the current controversy surrounding the withdrawal of Korean teams from NASL. As MVP did not participate in NASL and Coach Choi was not privy to the negotiations between the Korean teams and NASL, but he wanted to give his own opinion on how the Korean players became disillusioned with the league. He also talks about what he would need to see from NASL before he would consider letting MVP compete in the league. You can read the full article at ESFI, but below is an excerpt. Show nested quote +MVP has not competed in NASL and has no plans to currently, but Coach Choi might reconsider if NASL fixes a few issues with their league, including clearing up the problem of the deposit.
He listed the things he would personally like to see from NASL before he would let his team participate.
"[NASL] should first release an apology about what happened," he said, "The Korean Teams feel that NASL is only trying to cover up their mistakes and blame the Korean teams. NASL posted their opinion on Team Liquid and not through official channels, causing not only the five Korean teams in question but also the rest of the Korean teams to feel that they lost their reputation. This is seen as extremely amateurish in Korea."
"Second, they should fix the poor operation of NASL, in both the online league and finals," said the coach, "Making the players wait for such a long period of time like that greatly affects their conditions and their performance.
"Finally, because I’m answering what NASL should change in order for MVP team to participate, NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast. If NASL want the tournament to grow, the players’ convenience should be the first priority in order to create great matches so that the fans will become enthusiastic."
Coach Choi hopes that his comments will not cause controversy, as he wants both sides to reach an amicable conclusion to the disagreement.
"I am not saying these things because of ill will towards NASL," added Choi, "I have no reason to hate NASL. I simply wish, as a fan of major tournaments, that NASL will be able to fix their mistakes in order to improve as an event." Check out the full article at ESFI.
Does GSL MLG or anyone do all of these demands....nope didn't think so...what they want is down right outlandish.
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On August 17 2011 13:02 Nerski wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 12:43 oPlaiD wrote:ESFI had the chance to talk with Youn-Sang Choi, the head coach and manager of MVP, and he wanted to weigh in on the current controversy surrounding the withdrawal of Korean teams from NASL. As MVP did not participate in NASL and Coach Choi was not privy to the negotiations between the Korean teams and NASL, but he wanted to give his own opinion on how the Korean players became disillusioned with the league. He also talks about what he would need to see from NASL before he would consider letting MVP compete in the league. You can read the full article at ESFI, but below is an excerpt. MVP has not competed in NASL and has no plans to currently, but Coach Choi might reconsider if NASL fixes a few issues with their league, including clearing up the problem of the deposit.
He listed the things he would personally like to see from NASL before he would let his team participate.
"[NASL] should first release an apology about what happened," he said, "The Korean Teams feel that NASL is only trying to cover up their mistakes and blame the Korean teams. NASL posted their opinion on Team Liquid and not through official channels, causing not only the five Korean teams in question but also the rest of the Korean teams to feel that they lost their reputation. This is seen as extremely amateurish in Korea."
"Second, they should fix the poor operation of NASL, in both the online league and finals," said the coach, "Making the players wait for such a long period of time like that greatly affects their conditions and their performance.
"Finally, because I’m answering what NASL should change in order for MVP team to participate, NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast. If NASL want the tournament to grow, the players’ convenience should be the first priority in order to create great matches so that the fans will become enthusiastic."
Coach Choi hopes that his comments will not cause controversy, as he wants both sides to reach an amicable conclusion to the disagreement.
"I am not saying these things because of ill will towards NASL," added Choi, "I have no reason to hate NASL. I simply wish, as a fan of major tournaments, that NASL will be able to fix their mistakes in order to improve as an event." Check out the full article at ESFI. Does GSL MLG or anyone do all of these demands....nope didn't think so...what they want is down right outlandish.
I'm not sure where you get that no other tournaments do what Coach Choi is asking for.
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I don't even think I am going to bother reading anything about this situation anymore. Both sides are handling things bad from my point of view so far and I can't see them fixing this. I will still watch season 2 but maybe for Season 3 everything will be fixed so both sides are happy.
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On August 17 2011 13:02 sirkyex wrote:
I foresee a contradiction. NASL had a problem with walkovers and people not showing up for matches on time in the league so they raised the deposits so its more of a penalty for flaking out. Koreans want them to eliminate deposit and make sure people show up on time for matches.... suggestions?
Problem is not that people don't show up on time. It's that when they don't, people who did show up on time (koreans) had to wait.
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They are talking about this right now on SotG. Pretty interesting points. Koreans want to have their cake and eat it too.
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Why again should NASL pay for everything? I really think they are asking way too much and why don't Koreans complain about every other tournament?
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I have to agree with coach choi on the security deposit complaint though, 250 and now 500 is just way too much, especially with having to pay the deposit for multiple players
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On August 17 2011 13:02 Nerski wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 12:43 oPlaiD wrote:ESFI had the chance to talk with Youn-Sang Choi, the head coach and manager of MVP, and he wanted to weigh in on the current controversy surrounding the withdrawal of Korean teams from NASL. As MVP did not participate in NASL and Coach Choi was not privy to the negotiations between the Korean teams and NASL, but he wanted to give his own opinion on how the Korean players became disillusioned with the league. He also talks about what he would need to see from NASL before he would consider letting MVP compete in the league. You can read the full article at ESFI, but below is an excerpt. MVP has not competed in NASL and has no plans to currently, but Coach Choi might reconsider if NASL fixes a few issues with their league, including clearing up the problem of the deposit.
He listed the things he would personally like to see from NASL before he would let his team participate.
"[NASL] should first release an apology about what happened," he said, "The Korean Teams feel that NASL is only trying to cover up their mistakes and blame the Korean teams. NASL posted their opinion on Team Liquid and not through official channels, causing not only the five Korean teams in question but also the rest of the Korean teams to feel that they lost their reputation. This is seen as extremely amateurish in Korea."
"Second, they should fix the poor operation of NASL, in both the online league and finals," said the coach, "Making the players wait for such a long period of time like that greatly affects their conditions and their performance.
"Finally, because I’m answering what NASL should change in order for MVP team to participate, NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast. If NASL want the tournament to grow, the players’ convenience should be the first priority in order to create great matches so that the fans will become enthusiastic."
Coach Choi hopes that his comments will not cause controversy, as he wants both sides to reach an amicable conclusion to the disagreement.
"I am not saying these things because of ill will towards NASL," added Choi, "I have no reason to hate NASL. I simply wish, as a fan of major tournaments, that NASL will be able to fix their mistakes in order to improve as an event." Check out the full article at ESFI. Does GSL MLG or anyone do all of these demands....nope didn't think so...what they want is down right outlandish.
It's pretty obvious that the very reason he's asking for this is because it's standard and MLG and GSL do this.
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It makes sense for NASL to handle the logistics of Koreans coming, and really any competitor. Not for free, but just because they know where they need to stay, where they are going, etcetera. It's reasonable request in my opinion, especially when there are language barriers.
Security deposit, suck it up. It's an online tournament, there needs to be some sort of stick to insure people show up to their matches.
Any competitor/team who went through the qualifiers, signed up to participate in the league and then decide to pull out is a douche.
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On August 17 2011 13:02 TDN3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 12:49 GGzerG wrote:
very nice , I'm glad to read what the koreans say about NASL, and I kinda agree, it is amateurish to post on TL before talking to all of them / working something out with them, I totally feel how the korean teams are feeling at this point in time. Well, you have to race to the forum first, you know. The side that gets to the forum first gets more fans and become the good guy.
It's like he said though, very amateurish to post a tl thread before official release; the correct outlet is twitter.
Also I thought the reason nasl made that post was because they couldn't stall for anymore time waiting for any of the specific teams to deign to respond to them.
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On August 17 2011 13:02 Nerski wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2011 12:43 oPlaiD wrote:ESFI had the chance to talk with Youn-Sang Choi, the head coach and manager of MVP, and he wanted to weigh in on the current controversy surrounding the withdrawal of Korean teams from NASL. As MVP did not participate in NASL and Coach Choi was not privy to the negotiations between the Korean teams and NASL, but he wanted to give his own opinion on how the Korean players became disillusioned with the league. He also talks about what he would need to see from NASL before he would consider letting MVP compete in the league. You can read the full article at ESFI, but below is an excerpt. MVP has not competed in NASL and has no plans to currently, but Coach Choi might reconsider if NASL fixes a few issues with their league, including clearing up the problem of the deposit.
He listed the things he would personally like to see from NASL before he would let his team participate.
"[NASL] should first release an apology about what happened," he said, "The Korean Teams feel that NASL is only trying to cover up their mistakes and blame the Korean teams. NASL posted their opinion on Team Liquid and not through official channels, causing not only the five Korean teams in question but also the rest of the Korean teams to feel that they lost their reputation. This is seen as extremely amateurish in Korea."
"Second, they should fix the poor operation of NASL, in both the online league and finals," said the coach, "Making the players wait for such a long period of time like that greatly affects their conditions and their performance.
"Finally, because I’m answering what NASL should change in order for MVP team to participate, NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast. If NASL want the tournament to grow, the players’ convenience should be the first priority in order to create great matches so that the fans will become enthusiastic."
Coach Choi hopes that his comments will not cause controversy, as he wants both sides to reach an amicable conclusion to the disagreement.
"I am not saying these things because of ill will towards NASL," added Choi, "I have no reason to hate NASL. I simply wish, as a fan of major tournaments, that NASL will be able to fix their mistakes in order to improve as an event." Check out the full article at ESFI. Does GSL MLG or anyone do all of these demands....nope didn't think so...what they want is down right outlandish.
don't they both cover travel expenses? And doesn't gom provide foreign players a house to stay in if they qualify?
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If I were to compete 9 weeks and come to the final and realize that I lose money overall, I wouldn't make the same decision again.
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We provided shuttle pickup and drop off services to all players at the finals. I'm not sure why he is commenting about something he wasn't there to witness T_T
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Just saying, the Korean teams are not giving me cause to feel sympathy.
They're demanding special treatment over EVERY SINGLE OTHER PLAYER IN THE DAMN LEAGUE. And they did it at the last second leaving almost no time for NASL to react properly. Even after they tried to bridge the gap and offer what they could to the Koreans.
The Koreans "expect" to get preferential treatment, this is a shot at 50,000 USD and they're acting like it should be risk free. They are not entitled to ANYTHING more than anyone else, why couldn't they all have been like BoxeR and done this in a more mannered way.
I love these Korean players and I will continue to watch both NASL and GSL. This kind of behavior, however, irritates me.
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Well releasing the news is a cultural thing. NASL should have told us the Korean teams were not coming because corporate honesty and timeliness is an important thing in Western Culture.
Poor operation can probably be blamed on hiccups in having only run the event once?
Having a car is a nice thing though. I don't expect the Koreans to read English fluently enough to be able to find buses to the event, but they were provided with a greeter. Fair, the greeter should have to pay for their transportation.
Overall, I think the Korean teams do have reason for not coming. No one wants a bad event. They had a bad experience.
But I can't say that NASL is doing anything wrong this time around. They don't have an infinite budget, but if they lower their grand prize pool, they might lose viewers. I think they should increase the compensation for people to cover their total costs of living and transportation if they come in last, at the cost of the grand prizes, and fix a few hiccups, but that's it.
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