EPTThis is fucking sad.
You are players, exactly just everyone else. Have koreans EVER PICKED UP A FOREIGN PLAYER FOR GSL?
Fucking kids, stop threating yourself as rockstars which you aren't are.
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missingheaven
35 Posts
This is fucking sad. You are players, exactly just everyone else. Have koreans EVER PICKED UP A FOREIGN PLAYER FOR GSL? Fucking kids, stop threating yourself as rockstars which you aren't are. User was warned for this post | ||
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MyNameIsAlex
Greece827 Posts
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:08 Xeris wrote: We provided shuttle pickup and drop off services to all players at the finals. I'm not sure why he is commenting about something he wasn't there to witness T_T Is this a case of some Shuttle company sniping a few foreigners and charging them money pretending to be you guys? | ||
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Phaded
Australia579 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:00 Greyjoy wrote: I'm starting to lose a lot of respect for both the korean teams and nasl. They seem to release childish articles taking potshots at each other. Furthermore what the hell are the official channels? Nasl released their piece on TL, the site for english sc2. Where else would they post it? Press release on their own website, like every other company. | ||
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missingheaven
35 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:11 Phaded wrote: Press release on their own website, like every other company. Who cares, koreans think they are rockstars which they clearly are not. | ||
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Ome
Canada157 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:10 VillageBC wrote: Is this a case of some Shuttle company sniping a few foreigners and charging them money pretending to be you guys? I'm pretty sure there are pictures out there an NASL person took of the Koreans on the shuttle. | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:08 Xeris wrote: We provided shuttle pickup and drop off services to all players at the finals. I'm not sure why he is commenting about something he wasn't there to witness T_T seem like he thinks the players have to pay for it themselves. I really want the Koreans to participate in the upcoming NASL (even delaying the entire season for a month to work things out). The schedule problem and the 9 weeks of hard work is a very valid point in which NASL can reconsider: getting into the finals should be a lot more deserving imo. | ||
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epik640x
United States1134 Posts
Shameful that this was how we welcomed the Koreans to NA esports. Why would they want to come back. | ||
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Azureflames
United States35 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:11 Phaded wrote: Press release on their own website, like every other company. Results would have been identical. Someone reads it on their website and then proceeds posts it with a sensationalist title on TL and quotes a snippet. Plays out exactly the same. | ||
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oPlaiD
United States31 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:00 NHY wrote: Just a quick note: it wasn't Choo-Suk when NASL announcement came. It was, however, a 3-day weekend with Monday off as a national holiday in Korea. Sorry about that! The MVP translator mixed up his holiday  Apparently, it was GwangBokJul, literally "Restoration of Light Day", which celebrates Korean independence from Japan. | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
First of all, there shouldn't be any confusion over the deposits. NASL is acting in accordance to the contract. This is a frequent example of Korean mentality where they sign a contract and expect it to be more of a "guideline" rather than what we've come to consider a contract. Second of all, players DID have tickets purchased for them, WERE shuttled, WERE provided a translator. Third, the whole reason why this became an issue is because someone somewhere reached a decision to not participate, peer-pressured/convinced other teams to not join. None of these managers had the thought to actually talk to NASL directly about their concerns, and rather made it impossible for NASL to know WHO was behind the decision and WHO they need to talk to. Who does that in the middle of negotiations? It's incredibly stupid to expect a reasonable decision reached when you don't even provide adequate contact and communication for negotiations to take place, and then you want to lecture NASL about what they need to do? -------- I feel like MVP, who has not experienced the issues firsthand, has heard the exaggerated complaints of other teams. I would advise them, to go talk to NASL directly about these concerns. There was no point in making this public, although, sadly it's an improvement because at least NASL will actually get to see the problem now and know who to contact. | ||
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Qlimax_UK
United Kingdom22 Posts
Are you fucking kidding me? What planet are you living on? If you want to play in a tournament make your own arrangements, if every tournament done this they wouldn't make any money. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
There are many issues that the MVP Coach raises that I believe are very legitimate however! I really do appreciate his comments | ||
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Mars.DreaM
United States24 Posts
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Robonord
United States311 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:10 missingheaven wrote: "Finally, because I’m answering what NASL should change in order for MVP team to participate, NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast. If NASL want the tournament to grow, the players’ convenience should be the first priority in order to create great matches so that the fans will become enthusiastic." This is fucking sad. You are players, exactly just everyone else. Have koreans EVER PICKED UP A FOREIGN PLAYER FOR GSL? Fucking kids, stop threating yourself as rockstars which you aren't are. No, they only provide them with food, shelter, computers and slots in Code A. >_> | ||
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No_Roo
United States905 Posts
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:01 ninjamyst wrote: This just shows how BADLY NASL treated them, for them to give up a chance to win $40k. That means NASL really messed up. Koreans have no problem going to MLG and other tournaments with smaller prize pool. It's not the $$, it's being mistreated. MLG Pays for 4 of the Koreans to be flown in...most the other Koreans are sent by US teams....the Korean teams expect someone else to foot the bill for their travel and accommodation where ever they go worldwide which is an unrealistic expectation. It's quite clear most of the korean teams didn't fully understand the contracts and terms....complaining about getting up at 4am is kind of a mute point of 'mistreatment' because they knew fully well when the league was taking place. Complaining about the $$$$ won't make sense until NASL has not paid out for more then 60 days which was the length in time after the tournament they had to pay out winnings. A large majority of the issue is most the complaints by the Koreans were known about before they signed up...and before they traveled to the US. If anything they've been spoiled by MLG throwing money at them and now they think they deserve that for everything. You don't see GSL paying airfair for anyone who wins an MLG, or paying for food, or anything like that do you? You get a Code S pass, which may or may not amount to something....or a Code A pass which is a money sink unless you can make it to code S in 1 month and then place well in code S. The Korean leagues do just as little for the players as NASL. | ||
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Sandro
897 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:13 epik640x wrote: It's true that NASL is incredibly amateurish we all got to see this. Shameful that this was how we welcomed the Koreans to NA esports. Why would they want to come back. Don't worry IPL and MLG will restore our reputation amongst the Koreans. | ||
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whateverpeeps
United States214 Posts
On August 17 2011 13:12 Ome wrote: I'm pretty sure there are pictures out there an NASL person took of the Koreans on the shuttle. There were. That's why I'm taking this article with a grain of salt. I feel like MVP has been told second-hand information, and would probably see their issues addressed better had they gone to NASL directly, something they failed to do in the first place that could have avoided this whole clusterfuck. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
they need to stop feeling so entitled to it, NASL already did so much for them, as well as GSL doesn't do that for foreign players for code A and code s. Does GSL . so why should NASL. also 1) *where* the hell is this "official channel".. playxp? NASL admins don't know korean. 2) ""Making the players wait for such a long period of time like that greatly affects their conditions and their performance." <--- MLG Open Bracket ? 3) "Second, they should fix the poor operation of NASL, in both the online league and finals," said the coach, <-- very ambiguous, this is just like saying "GSL should fix their problems" or something stupid like that. 4) "NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast." <--- ok if GSL wants to "grow" they should now give us foreigners pick up from the airport, scheduling, korean team practice partners, "accomodations", instead of focusing on _what actually gets them money_...... Oh wait. They're _giving you money_, how about using it. Also. does GSL even give foreigners food while they are in the GOM House? Hum. | ||
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