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MVP's Coach on NASL Korean exit - Page 3

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missingheaven
Profile Joined May 2011
35 Posts
August 17 2011 04:10 GMT
#41
"Finally, because I’m answering what NASL should change in order for MVP team to participate, NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast. If NASL want the tournament to grow, the players’ convenience should be the first priority in order to create great matches so that the fans will become enthusiastic."



This is fucking sad.


You are players, exactly just everyone else. Have koreans EVER PICKED UP A FOREIGN PLAYER FOR GSL?


Fucking kids, stop threating yourself as rockstars which you aren't are.



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MyNameIsAlex
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece827 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-17 04:11:26
August 17 2011 04:10 GMT
#42
the whole situtation stinks more and more lol
VillageBC
Profile Joined January 2011
322 Posts
August 17 2011 04:10 GMT
#43
On August 17 2011 13:08 Xeris wrote:
We provided shuttle pickup and drop off services to all players at the finals. I'm not sure why he is commenting about something he wasn't there to witness T_T


Is this a case of some Shuttle company sniping a few foreigners and charging them money pretending to be you guys?
Phaded
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia579 Posts
August 17 2011 04:11 GMT
#44
On August 17 2011 13:00 Greyjoy wrote:
I'm starting to lose a lot of respect for both the korean teams and nasl. They seem to release childish articles taking potshots at each other. Furthermore what the hell are the official channels? Nasl released their piece on TL, the site for english sc2. Where else would they post it?

Press release on their own website, like every other company.
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missingheaven
Profile Joined May 2011
35 Posts
August 17 2011 04:11 GMT
#45
On August 17 2011 13:11 Phaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 13:00 Greyjoy wrote:
I'm starting to lose a lot of respect for both the korean teams and nasl. They seem to release childish articles taking potshots at each other. Furthermore what the hell are the official channels? Nasl released their piece on TL, the site for english sc2. Where else would they post it?

Press release on their own website, like every other company.




Who cares, koreans think they are rockstars which they clearly are not.

Ome
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada157 Posts
August 17 2011 04:12 GMT
#46
On August 17 2011 13:10 VillageBC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 13:08 Xeris wrote:
We provided shuttle pickup and drop off services to all players at the finals. I'm not sure why he is commenting about something he wasn't there to witness T_T


Is this a case of some Shuttle company sniping a few foreigners and charging them money pretending to be you guys?


I'm pretty sure there are pictures out there an NASL person took of the Koreans on the shuttle.
Hikari
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
1914 Posts
August 17 2011 04:12 GMT
#47
On August 17 2011 13:08 Xeris wrote:
We provided shuttle pickup and drop off services to all players at the finals. I'm not sure why he is commenting about something he wasn't there to witness T_T


seem like he thinks the players have to pay for it themselves.

I really want the Koreans to participate in the upcoming NASL (even delaying the entire season for a month to work things out). The schedule problem and the 9 weeks of hard work is a very valid point in which NASL can reconsider: getting into the finals should be a lot more deserving imo.
epik640x
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1134 Posts
August 17 2011 04:13 GMT
#48
It's true that NASL is incredibly amateurish we all got to see this.

Shameful that this was how we welcomed the Koreans to NA esports. Why would they want to come back.
Azureflames
Profile Joined August 2010
United States35 Posts
August 17 2011 04:13 GMT
#49
On August 17 2011 13:11 Phaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 13:00 Greyjoy wrote:
I'm starting to lose a lot of respect for both the korean teams and nasl. They seem to release childish articles taking potshots at each other. Furthermore what the hell are the official channels? Nasl released their piece on TL, the site for english sc2. Where else would they post it?

Press release on their own website, like every other company.


Results would have been identical. Someone reads it on their website and then proceeds posts it with a sensationalist title on TL and quotes a snippet. Plays out exactly the same.
oPlaiD
Profile Joined March 2011
United States31 Posts
August 17 2011 04:13 GMT
#50
On August 17 2011 13:00 NHY wrote:
Just a quick note: it wasn't Choo-Suk when NASL announcement came. It was, however, a 3-day weekend with Monday off as a national holiday in Korea.


Sorry about that! The MVP translator mixed up his holiday

Apparently, it was GwangBokJul, literally "Restoration of Light Day", which celebrates Korean independence from Japan.
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whateverpeeps
Profile Joined August 2011
United States214 Posts
August 17 2011 04:13 GMT
#51
I think this article is very misleading.

First of all, there shouldn't be any confusion over the deposits. NASL is acting in accordance to the contract. This is a frequent example of Korean mentality where they sign a contract and expect it to be more of a "guideline" rather than what we've come to consider a contract.

Second of all, players DID have tickets purchased for them, WERE shuttled, WERE provided a translator.

Third, the whole reason why this became an issue is because someone somewhere reached a decision to not participate, peer-pressured/convinced other teams to not join. None of these managers had the thought to actually talk to NASL directly about their concerns, and rather made it impossible for NASL to know WHO was behind the decision and WHO they need to talk to.

Who does that in the middle of negotiations? It's incredibly stupid to expect a reasonable decision reached when you don't even provide adequate contact and communication for negotiations to take place, and then you want to lecture NASL about what they need to do?

--------

I feel like MVP, who has not experienced the issues firsthand, has heard the exaggerated complaints of other teams. I would advise them, to go talk to NASL directly about these concerns. There was no point in making this public, although, sadly it's an improvement because at least NASL will actually get to see the problem now and know who to contact.
Qlimax_UK
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom22 Posts
August 17 2011 04:14 GMT
#52
"including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling"

Are you fucking kidding me? What planet are you living on? If you want to play in a tournament make your own arrangements, if every tournament done this they wouldn't make any money.
650+ Master EU S3, 1700 Master EU S2
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 17 2011 04:14 GMT
#53
The shuttle service was taken from the travel stipends -- but they had no out of pocket cost. When they arrived, a shuttle was waiting for them at LAX. I was at the airport for 6 hours that day to meet and greet every Korean who arrived. On Monday, we had 2 shuttles to send the Koreans back to LAX. All of these were paid for by us, receipts can be provided to prove this as well.

There are many issues that the MVP Coach raises that I believe are very legitimate however! I really do appreciate his comments
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Mars.DreaM
Profile Joined June 2011
United States24 Posts
August 17 2011 04:15 GMT
#54
This has been handled poorly by everyone and all of these posts don't help. What I will say though is its nice to accommodate for the Koreans and give them some incentive to come, but at the same time they want it to come out to be no cost to them to travel to a tournament they chose to participate in knowing the costs. If its too much money for them and their sponsors don't qualify or expect to be treated like kings
Robonord
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States311 Posts
August 17 2011 04:15 GMT
#55
On August 17 2011 13:10 missingheaven wrote:
"Finally, because I’m answering what NASL should change in order for MVP team to participate, NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast. If NASL want the tournament to grow, the players’ convenience should be the first priority in order to create great matches so that the fans will become enthusiastic."



This is fucking sad.


You are players, exactly just everyone else. Have koreans EVER PICKED UP A FOREIGN PLAYER FOR GSL?


Fucking kids, stop threating yourself as rockstars which you aren't are.



No, they only provide them with food, shelter, computers and slots in Code A. >_>
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No_Roo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States905 Posts
August 17 2011 04:15 GMT
#56
I'm not even remotely sympathetic to the koreans that went through the qualifiers knowing what they were getting into, then bailing at the last second. I can't imagine any light that could shine on this to make it not look like a blatant attempt at extortion. My respect for NASL has increased ten fold after hearing them standing up for themselves in this situation and saying no to the last minute demands placed on them.
(US) NoRoo.fighting
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
August 17 2011 04:15 GMT
#57
On August 17 2011 13:01 ninjamyst wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 12:59 CeriseCherries wrote:
On August 17 2011 12:55 Azzur wrote:
Fair enough. But its missing the whole point - signed contracts were violated. If you think a tournament is not up to standard, don't compete. Don't sign up for qualifiers and then pull out


In addition to this, there is a point where it is a mutual relationship: the Koreans seem to make it out to be they are doing a favor to NASL, and not getting much in return. Lest we forget, 40$k is up for grabs, in addition to the whole 100$k prizepool. NASL shouldnt hae to wait hand and foot in return for something the Koreans are benefiting from.


This just shows how BADLY NASL treated them, for them to give up a chance to win $40k. That means NASL really messed up. Koreans have no problem going to MLG and other tournaments with smaller prize pool. It's not the $$, it's being mistreated.


MLG Pays for 4 of the Koreans to be flown in...most the other Koreans are sent by US teams....the Korean teams expect someone else to foot the bill for their travel and accommodation where ever they go worldwide which is an unrealistic expectation.

It's quite clear most of the korean teams didn't fully understand the contracts and terms....complaining about getting up at 4am is kind of a mute point of 'mistreatment' because they knew fully well when the league was taking place.

Complaining about the $$$$ won't make sense until NASL has not paid out for more then 60 days which was the length in time after the tournament they had to pay out winnings.

A large majority of the issue is most the complaints by the Koreans were known about before they signed up...and before they traveled to the US. If anything they've been spoiled by MLG throwing money at them and now they think they deserve that for everything.

You don't see GSL paying airfair for anyone who wins an MLG, or paying for food, or anything like that do you? You get a Code S pass, which may or may not amount to something....or a Code A pass which is a money sink unless you can make it to code S in 1 month and then place well in code S. The Korean leagues do just as little for the players as NASL.
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Sandro
Profile Joined April 2011
897 Posts
August 17 2011 04:15 GMT
#58
On August 17 2011 13:13 epik640x wrote:
It's true that NASL is incredibly amateurish we all got to see this.

Shameful that this was how we welcomed the Koreans to NA esports. Why would they want to come back.

Don't worry IPL and MLG will restore our reputation amongst the Koreans.
whateverpeeps
Profile Joined August 2011
United States214 Posts
August 17 2011 04:15 GMT
#59
On August 17 2011 13:12 Ome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2011 13:10 VillageBC wrote:
On August 17 2011 13:08 Xeris wrote:
We provided shuttle pickup and drop off services to all players at the finals. I'm not sure why he is commenting about something he wasn't there to witness T_T


Is this a case of some Shuttle company sniping a few foreigners and charging them money pretending to be you guys?


I'm pretty sure there are pictures out there an NASL person took of the Koreans on the shuttle.



There were. That's why I'm taking this article with a grain of salt. I feel like MVP has been told second-hand information, and would probably see their issues addressed better had they gone to NASL directly, something they failed to do in the first place that could have avoided this whole clusterfuck.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
August 17 2011 04:16 GMT
#60
so next, I guess they want to automatically win the tournament when they step off the plane too?

they need to stop feeling so entitled to it, NASL already did so much for them, as well as GSL doesn't do that for foreign players for code A and code s. Does GSL . so why should NASL.

also
1) *where* the hell is this "official channel".. playxp? NASL admins don't know korean.
2) ""Making the players wait for such a long period of time like that greatly affects their conditions and their performance." <--- MLG Open Bracket ?
3) "Second, they should fix the poor operation of NASL, in both the online league and finals," said the coach, <-- very ambiguous, this is just like saying "GSL should fix their problems" or something stupid like that.
4) "NASL should take better care of the players, including pick up from the airport, accomodations, and scheduling, instead of focusing only on the broadcast." <--- ok if GSL wants to "grow" they should now give us foreigners pick up from the airport, scheduling, korean team practice partners, "accomodations", instead of focusing on _what actually gets them money_...... Oh wait. They're _giving you money_, how about using it. Also. does GSL even give foreigners food while they are in the GOM House? Hum.
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