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My experience with her: BMs me on ladder after losing.
And she's not really skilled enough to justify it.
Nice representation of the female scene.
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On August 19 2011 04:47 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 04:42 pHaRSiDE wrote:On August 19 2011 04:35 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 04:29 pHaRSiDE wrote:On August 19 2011 04:23 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 04:14 cca1ss1e wrote:On August 19 2011 03:39 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 03:36 cca1ss1e wrote:DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it. but gl, I guess. XD So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter. I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart. Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all. XD She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing. Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent. But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical. Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a whole like and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it. As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world. Do you also support segregation for foreigners and Koreans then? Just wondering, because the principle is similar, building up one scene so it can compete eventually. I feel it's a question of consistency, I'm more of the opinion that where you get above a certain level of money for a tournament, the best player should win and it should be a question of skill above all else. As for connecting women in Starcraft, that's all well and good but why is money involved then? If women are naturally interested in getting together and forming a community then there's shouldn't be any reason to add financial profit to the equation, once that enters it is a competition and then my earlier opinion on competition comes into play. All that said, at a community level I really don't care enough to bitch about these tournaments even if I may be against them on the principle of competition. At a certain prize pool level though, I believe they become problematic and I feel that we're reaching that level already. The money is involved because it is a tournament. Its small scale for that very reason. We aren't making girl gamers rich. We offer very small scale tournaments because the focus isn't money, but instead the community. Just like every tournament out there, a prize is always fun...But you can't talk like its MLG $5000 girls only 1st place prize or something. $100 for first place is absolutely nothing in the world of large scale open tournaments. It's not very different from other weekly open tournaments, if the sole purpose was community, the financial benefit wouldn't be necessary. Like you said, it is a tournament so my opinions on competition stand, but it's small enough that I don't care too much. Once more though, I feel the key is consistency, if you're okay with this, you should be okay with any tournament exclusion(I referred specifically to foreigner/korean) as it is essentially the same thing.
I feel I am pretty consistent, as you see tournaments limited to certain regions all the time. When exclusions are set for the most part they have their reasons for setting them. I would agree that this is a problem if there were a lack of open tournaments for everyone to compete in, but its the exact opposite, so a few exclusive tournaments with a driven purpose does not hurt the scene.
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Why this thread became a debate about sexist? Just enjoy that DaSakura won that tournament and stop picking every little line on her interview and try to make her look sexist or anything. Nobody knows her and everyone can have their own opinion about 'girls that cannot reach the same level as boys at this game.' It's normal that in certain domain girls will do better than boys and boys better than girls just because their mind work differentely and they are some biological difference. For example, girls will generaly do better in reading and vocabulary and boys in math and logical tests. So please, just enjoy the win of that nice girl and wish her good sucess in the future if that's what she want. ( Especialy with her very nice boyfriend )
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yeah alex. it was a fun time with some good games.. But Canada must be destroyed next time!!!!
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On August 19 2011 04:49 pHaRSiDE wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 04:47 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 04:42 pHaRSiDE wrote:On August 19 2011 04:35 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 04:29 pHaRSiDE wrote:On August 19 2011 04:23 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 04:14 cca1ss1e wrote:On August 19 2011 03:39 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 03:36 cca1ss1e wrote:DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it. but gl, I guess. XD So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter. I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart. Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all. XD She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing. Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent. But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical. Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a whole like and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it. As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world. Do you also support segregation for foreigners and Koreans then? Just wondering, because the principle is similar, building up one scene so it can compete eventually. I feel it's a question of consistency, I'm more of the opinion that where you get above a certain level of money for a tournament, the best player should win and it should be a question of skill above all else. As for connecting women in Starcraft, that's all well and good but why is money involved then? If women are naturally interested in getting together and forming a community then there's shouldn't be any reason to add financial profit to the equation, once that enters it is a competition and then my earlier opinion on competition comes into play. All that said, at a community level I really don't care enough to bitch about these tournaments even if I may be against them on the principle of competition. At a certain prize pool level though, I believe they become problematic and I feel that we're reaching that level already. The money is involved because it is a tournament. Its small scale for that very reason. We aren't making girl gamers rich. We offer very small scale tournaments because the focus isn't money, but instead the community. Just like every tournament out there, a prize is always fun...But you can't talk like its MLG $5000 girls only 1st place prize or something. $100 for first place is absolutely nothing in the world of large scale open tournaments. It's not very different from other weekly open tournaments, if the sole purpose was community, the financial benefit wouldn't be necessary. Like you said, it is a tournament so my opinions on competition stand, but it's small enough that I don't care too much. Once more though, I feel the key is consistency, if you're okay with this, you should be okay with any tournament exclusion(I referred specifically to foreigner/korean) as it is essentially the same thing. I feel I am pretty consistent, as you see tournaments limited to certain regions all the time. When exclusions are set for the most part they have their reasons for setting them. I would agree that this is a problem if there were a lack of open tournaments for everyone to compete in, but its the exact opposite, so a few exclusive tournaments with a driven purpose does not hurt the scene.
Fair enough.
I'd say smaller tournaments aren't an issue simply because of scale(as I said earlier, on principle, I think the best players should win). However, as the prize pool and number of tournaments grows, I think it becomes quite problematic, if women's tournaments can generate even 25% of weekly prizes as open tournaments, I think that's problematic and I would be vehemently against any larger prized tournament that's exclusive for women.
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Quebec girls > all
not a matter of sexism
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On August 19 2011 04:53 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 04:49 pHaRSiDE wrote:On August 19 2011 04:47 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 04:42 pHaRSiDE wrote:On August 19 2011 04:35 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 04:29 pHaRSiDE wrote:On August 19 2011 04:23 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 04:14 cca1ss1e wrote:On August 19 2011 03:39 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 03:36 cca1ss1e wrote:
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rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it.
but gl, I guess.
XD So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter. I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart. Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all. XD She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing. Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent. But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical. Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a whole like and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it. As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world. Do you also support segregation for foreigners and Koreans then? Just wondering, because the principle is similar, building up one scene so it can compete eventually. I feel it's a question of consistency, I'm more of the opinion that where you get above a certain level of money for a tournament, the best player should win and it should be a question of skill above all else. As for connecting women in Starcraft, that's all well and good but why is money involved then? If women are naturally interested in getting together and forming a community then there's shouldn't be any reason to add financial profit to the equation, once that enters it is a competition and then my earlier opinion on competition comes into play. All that said, at a community level I really don't care enough to bitch about these tournaments even if I may be against them on the principle of competition. At a certain prize pool level though, I believe they become problematic and I feel that we're reaching that level already. The money is involved because it is a tournament. Its small scale for that very reason. We aren't making girl gamers rich. We offer very small scale tournaments because the focus isn't money, but instead the community. Just like every tournament out there, a prize is always fun...But you can't talk like its MLG $5000 girls only 1st place prize or something. $100 for first place is absolutely nothing in the world of large scale open tournaments. It's not very different from other weekly open tournaments, if the sole purpose was community, the financial benefit wouldn't be necessary. Like you said, it is a tournament so my opinions on competition stand, but it's small enough that I don't care too much. Once more though, I feel the key is consistency, if you're okay with this, you should be okay with any tournament exclusion(I referred specifically to foreigner/korean) as it is essentially the same thing. I feel I am pretty consistent, as you see tournaments limited to certain regions all the time. When exclusions are set for the most part they have their reasons for setting them. I would agree that this is a problem if there were a lack of open tournaments for everyone to compete in, but its the exact opposite, so a few exclusive tournaments with a driven purpose does not hurt the scene. Fair enough. I'd say smaller tournaments aren't an issue simply because of scale(as I said earlier, on principle, I think the best players should win). However, as the prize pool and number of tournaments grows, I think it becomes quite problematic, if women's tournaments can generate even 25% of weekly prizes as open tournaments, I think that's problematic and I would be vehemently against any larger prized tournament that's exclusive for women.
Yes I agree with you as you want the reward the best players in the world with the highest prizes, but I also assure you that we are no where near offering 25% of weekly prizes considering we run once a month. Larger prizes would also give a huge incentive to cheat, and we want to keep that in check as well. Good debate though, hopefully other people saw this debate and learned alot.
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lol alex stop trolling o_o
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On August 17 2011 10:31 Sawamura wrote:
Stx.Toss girl would like to have a word with you about boys being better at the game .......
When's the last time you saw her play? ._.
Dude, she's barely won any televised games against the guys. It's sad, but true and the games I remember were show matches/all-stars. ;/
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Glad to read more about DaSakura. I saw/stalked your Livestream VODs a few weeks ago and was seriously impressed with the level of play. I'm not going to read too much into her attitude just from one interview but for those who haven't seen her play, you should. I don't mean to be rude to anyone else, but it was a step up from the other people I've seen previously competing.
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On August 19 2011 03:32 SirGlinG wrote:
Why u so sexist?
Seriously if there's one certain thing I dislike more than men being sexist it's women being sexist.
The hypocrisy is delicious.
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On August 19 2011 04:47 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 04:42 pHaRSiDE wrote:On August 19 2011 04:35 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 04:29 pHaRSiDE wrote:On August 19 2011 04:23 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 04:14 cca1ss1e wrote:On August 19 2011 03:39 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 03:36 cca1ss1e wrote:DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it. but gl, I guess. XD So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter. I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart. Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all. XD She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing. Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent. But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical. Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a whole like and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it. As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world. Do you also support segregation for foreigners and Koreans then? Just wondering, because the principle is similar, building up one scene so it can compete eventually. I feel it's a question of consistency, I'm more of the opinion that where you get above a certain level of money for a tournament, the best player should win and it should be a question of skill above all else. As for connecting women in Starcraft, that's all well and good but why is money involved then? If women are naturally interested in getting together and forming a community then there's shouldn't be any reason to add financial profit to the equation, once that enters it is a competition and then my earlier opinion on competition comes into play. All that said, at a community level I really don't care enough to bitch about these tournaments even if I may be against them on the principle of competition. At a certain prize pool level though, I believe they become problematic and I feel that we're reaching that level already. The money is involved because it is a tournament. Its small scale for that very reason. We aren't making girl gamers rich. We offer very small scale tournaments because the focus isn't money, but instead the community. Just like every tournament out there, a prize is always fun...But you can't talk like its MLG $5000 girls only 1st place prize or something. $100 for first place is absolutely nothing in the world of large scale open tournaments. It's not very different from other weekly open tournaments, if the sole purpose was community, the financial benefit wouldn't be necessary. Like you said, it is a tournament so my opinions on competition stand, but it's small enough that I don't care too much. Once more though, I feel the key is consistency, if you're okay with this, you should be okay with any tournament exclusion(I referred specifically to foreigner/korean) as it is essentially the same thing. Not every tournament has the goal of finding the best overall player. I'm sure pharside would admit as much. MLG/GSL/etc. have that goal in mind, but most tournaments don't.
In your ideal situation, there would be no bronze-masters tournaments either nor would there be country-specific tournaments. Well there are, and you're not involved in them nor is your welfare at stake, so you should probably not complain about them.
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On August 19 2011 06:05 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 04:47 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 04:42 pHaRSiDE wrote:On August 19 2011 04:35 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 04:29 pHaRSiDE wrote:On August 19 2011 04:23 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 04:14 cca1ss1e wrote:On August 19 2011 03:39 Mordiford wrote:On August 19 2011 03:36 cca1ss1e wrote:DaSakura: Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game.
rofl.. that is absolute nonsense.. it's all attitude.. not sure how gender has anything to do with it. but gl, I guess. XD So does no woman who has played the game so far have the right attitude? Or are we going to blame it on the community? It might very well be the former, but I hope you don't try and blame it on the latter. I look forward to seeing the day when women can compete, but I want it to be on their own merit and I'm not sure if it'll ever be as large a group as it's male counterpart. Not BLAMING it on anyone or anything.. I'm saying a positive mental attitude is key in all areas of life.. saying that guys will always be better than girls because of her raging is just nonsense.. matter of fact, now that I'm thinking about it.. that makes even LESS sense.. how will boys always be better at this type of game? what exactly is she saying is the key that men have that women do not? women's brains are equally capable of learning new skills and abilities.. learning an RTS game and using a mouse/keyboard is no different.. just sayin' is all. XD She specified in this thread that she was referring to herself and apologized for generalizing. Questioning women's abilities to compete may be "sexist", but no more so than segregating themselves from competition. I find her stance somewhat consistent, if you're justifying women's tournaments, that's a perfectly fine stance to have as long as it's consistent. But, if women can compete with men in Starcraft then they should compete. If they segregate and hold their own exclusive tournaments, then follow up by claiming there is no reason they can't compete, I find that pretty strange. You don't let men compete in the tournaments where you wish to showcase women's skill, simultaneously no women are really winning non-exclusive tournaments. At this point the best showcase would be for a woman to prove that women can compete based on her own merit, until then, I don't think there's much wrong with being skeptical. Well let me explain why this women tournament exist. I can't speak for all, but this is why iron lady exist. Immediately when you are on a multiplayer game, you want to find people who similar to you so that you can enjoy the game. When you have people in your circle who are like you and enjoy the game a whole like and want to get better, it makes you want to get better with them. The point of Iron Lady , is to bring all the people with a big commonality together and encourage each other to get better. You may not see girls winning open tournaments yet, but that is what we are helping to change. If we can engrave the competitive attitude and the will to get better you will see that change. I believe it starts with girls finding other girls who are competitive so they can inspire each other to get better and better. This is not about sexism or restrictions, this has a very positive purpose behind it. As far as spotlighting goes, we do that to let the scene know that they are there, and there are really good girl players out there. This further helps the girls who are disconnected from all the other girls in the scene to see that hey, it is possible, and that it is not all talk when people say girls can be as good as guys. We are providing the proof to the world. Do you also support segregation for foreigners and Koreans then? Just wondering, because the principle is similar, building up one scene so it can compete eventually. I feel it's a question of consistency, I'm more of the opinion that where you get above a certain level of money for a tournament, the best player should win and it should be a question of skill above all else. As for connecting women in Starcraft, that's all well and good but why is money involved then? If women are naturally interested in getting together and forming a community then there's shouldn't be any reason to add financial profit to the equation, once that enters it is a competition and then my earlier opinion on competition comes into play. All that said, at a community level I really don't care enough to bitch about these tournaments even if I may be against them on the principle of competition. At a certain prize pool level though, I believe they become problematic and I feel that we're reaching that level already. The money is involved because it is a tournament. Its small scale for that very reason. We aren't making girl gamers rich. We offer very small scale tournaments because the focus isn't money, but instead the community. Just like every tournament out there, a prize is always fun...But you can't talk like its MLG $5000 girls only 1st place prize or something. $100 for first place is absolutely nothing in the world of large scale open tournaments. It's not very different from other weekly open tournaments, if the sole purpose was community, the financial benefit wouldn't be necessary. Like you said, it is a tournament so my opinions on competition stand, but it's small enough that I don't care too much. Once more though, I feel the key is consistency, if you're okay with this, you should be okay with any tournament exclusion(I referred specifically to foreigner/korean) as it is essentially the same thing. Not every tournament has the goal of finding the best overall player. I'm sure pharside would admit as much. MLG/GSL/etc. have that goal in mind, but most tournaments don't. In your ideal situation, there would be no bronze-masters tournaments either nor would there be country-specific tournaments. Well there are, and you're not involved in them nor is your welfare at stake, so you should probably not complain about them.
And... I don't?
I pretty much said that in my post, at this small scale it's not problematic.
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On August 17 2011 14:15 Divergence wrote:She is very cute. Show nested quote +Personally, I don’t think that girls can be as good as boys in Starcraft. When I lost two or three games in a row, I get mad and I stop playing for like an hour [blushes]. And I saw some girls’ streams and I saw a [bunch] of them getting mad when they lost, so my opinion is that boys will always be better at this kind of game. But doesn't everyone do the same? Not all men are machines. We rage also (or maybe I'm just pathetic).
Nope, I just lost 3 games in a row a few hours ago and I haven't even thought about playing since.
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